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Old 07-31-2008, 09:41 PM   #41
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You explicitly said he claimed to have a 35 year wrestling career, and then went on to say that it did not exist. Even if it was someone actually crappy and they had a 35 year wrestling career, they would still have a 35 year wrestling career. Being crappy does not mean your career didn't exist.

But suggesting that Ric Flair is crappy makes you lose Coolness Points in my view anyways. Even in his later years where he was waaaay past his prime I still enjoyed him more than a lot of the roster.
If you aren't wrestling, you don't have a wrestling career. Guess what: I've never seen him wrestle. I"ve seen him grab cock buldges and strut around like a fool, but not yet seen him wrestle. So, maybe for the 30 years before I saw him, But there's at least 5 years where I know he wasn't wrestling. So, claiming a 35 year career? THat'd be a lie.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:42 PM   #42
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That's rediculous. You should go tell Stan Hansen, Vader, and Bruiser Brody they aren't wrestlers. Watch how quick you're picking teeth up off the ground.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:43 PM   #43
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That's pretty easily done, but I have to break it to you, you can make a match out of chops and flops so I don't need to bother if that's your gripe.
No, sir. Chops'n'flops does not make a wrestling match.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:43 PM   #44
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You have no idea what Pro-Wrestling is. We aren't talking grecko here Al.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:43 PM   #45
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No, sir. Chops'n'flops does not make a wrestling match.
I let you keep that rediculous train of logic.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:44 PM   #46
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(For the record even by your standard Flair has had some of the best matches of all time, so you really don't know what your talking about.)
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:44 PM   #47
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That's rediculous. You should go tell Stan Hansen, Vader, and Bruiser Brody they aren't wrestlers. Watch how quick you're picking teeth up off the ground.
I"ve seen Vader work. Vader actually DOES things. That doesn't make him a wrestler, in my book, but it makes him a competitor worth his weight.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:46 PM   #48
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(For the record even by your standard Flair has had some of the best matches of all time, so you really don't know what your talking about.)
I said to show me, and you said it'd be easy and opted not to.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:48 PM   #49
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I said to show me, and you said it'd be easy and opted not to.
There's no reason too. Everyone knows about the Flair/Steamboat Flair/Race Flair/Funk Flair/Rhoades classics. No need in telling people the obvious when you've proven how wrong you are. I don't need to Al. YOu proven me right. Do you think anyone is going to come into this thread and agree with you? You're clearly wrong.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:50 PM   #50
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Hell the HBM/Flair match is a prime example.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:52 PM   #51
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Obviously, the people who agree with me will remain silent, because nobody dares to rock the "Let's Blow Flair" boat. I put it to you to show me that I'm wrong, and you refuse to do so. It appears we are at a stand still.

The fact that he drug his time out for as long as he did is the most impressive thing about him. ANd it's also the most irritating. I have no idea why you people worship him, and I don't think I ever will.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:53 PM   #52
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A prime example of HBM trying to carry a weak fucking opponent into a half-decent match because of the retirement situation? Please. That match was MAYBE 3 stars, and Flair was the two they didn't get.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:54 PM   #53
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:43 PM   #54
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:45 PM   #55
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That's the idea.
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Old 08-01-2008, 12:38 AM   #56
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Flair.

Can we just skip to the Better Wrestler #32, since we know Flair will be going into the Hall of Fame.
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Old 08-01-2008, 12:40 AM   #57
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I don't know how to go back in time. Sorry.
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Old 08-01-2008, 12:44 AM   #58
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ALOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Closer then I expected.
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Err Destor, you know I meant #42 >< .
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Old 08-01-2008, 09:25 AM   #61
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Bret Hart once said... "I never did anything in the ring, I wouldn't consider doing in a bar fight"

Now, even though I have never seen a perfectly exocuted side Russian Leg Sweep in a pub fight recently, That phrase sums up what Pro Wrestling is. It is a meant to be an officiated fight. If the guy in the ring, can make it look like he is beating the shit out of his opponent, but actually isn't, and in turn look like he is getting his arse kicked, but isnt, then your man right there is a Wrestler.

I thought the IWC might have grasped this by now, inbetween sucking Chris Jericho's love muscle, but I guess there are still a few with this narrow mentality.

Oh, WHOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Old 08-01-2008, 10:19 AM   #62
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Ric Flair.

I feel bad for Piper though, if there's a small handful of people who should go in the Hall of Fame he's definitely one of them. But unfortunately for him, he's up against Ric Flair. WHOO!!!
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Old 08-01-2008, 01:23 PM   #63
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I'm going with Piper. He's always entertained me more than Flair has and his matches are more fun for me to watch.
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Old 08-01-2008, 01:45 PM   #64
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Plus Piper is a ton more cooler and just way more badass.

He's the epitome of badass.

As for Flair, when Bret and Dynamite say you're overrated, you're overrated.
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Old 08-01-2008, 04:27 PM   #65
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Bret Hart once said... "I never did anything in the ring, I wouldn't consider doing in a bar fight"

Now, even though I have never seen a perfectly exocuted side Russian Leg Sweep in a pub fight recently, That phrase sums up what Pro Wrestling is. It is a meant to be an officiated fight. If the guy in the ring, can make it look like he is beating the shit out of his opponent, but actually isn't, and in turn look like he is getting his arse kicked, but isnt, then your man right there is a Wrestler.

I thought the IWC might have grasped this by now, inbetween sucking Chris Jericho's love muscle, but I guess there are still a few with this narrow mentality.

Oh, WHOOOOOOOOOOO!
Cynicism noted, except I've never believed anything in a Ric Flair match.
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Old 08-02-2008, 06:16 AM   #66
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Really? How many have you seen? 2?

He wasn't much in the last 8 years, granted. But his legacy was built in old NWA. The matches and fueds are there to be seen. Also, in his first run in WWF, I would say his finest matches were vs Savage at WM8, Hennig in a retirement match on an early Raw, and Bret when he dropped the title.... It was on Prime Time Wrestling or something.

Just go and watch a few, and stop being silly now.
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Old 08-02-2008, 11:00 AM   #67
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Really? How many have you seen? 2?

He wasn't much in the last 8 years, granted. But his legacy was built in old NWA. The matches and fueds are there to be seen. Also, in his first run in WWF, I would say his finest matches were vs Savage at WM8, Hennig in a retirement match on an early Raw, and Bret when he dropped the title.... It was on Prime Time Wrestling or something.

Just go and watch a few, and stop being silly now.
Contradicting yourself in your opening statement doesn't really fuel the fire to call me "silly". Listen, kids, there are good wrestlers and there are bad wrestlers. Ric Flair is a bad wrestler who just managed to stay in the ring for an unnecessarily long period of time.
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Old 08-02-2008, 11:27 AM   #68
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He wasn't much in the last 8 years, granted. But his legacy was built in old NWA.

Slight problem there. You know, since eight years is a long time. I'm not saying Flair never had a good match, or whatever else someone will inevitably shoehorn into my mouth from the logic of "you disagree with me and therefore must believe the polar opposite of what I do," but we're talking about nearly a third of my life, and I'm not even among the youngest posters here.

Besides. If people had actually given examples, instead of whining and justifying, AL's argument might be completely different at this point. You have, but that's not helpful, since your argument came before any real examples were given (HBK/Flair really isn't a good example, as unpopular as I know that's going to end up being amongst the "smart" marks).
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Slight problem there. You know, since eight years is a long time. I'm not saying Flair never had a good match, or whatever else someone will inevitably shoehorn into my mouth from the logic of "you disagree with me and therefore must believe the polar opposite of what I do," but we're talking about nearly a third of my life, and I'm not even among the youngest posters here.

Besides. If people had actually given examples, instead of whining and justifying, AL's argument might be completely different at this point. You have, but that's not helpful, since your argument came before any real examples were given (HBK/Flair really isn't a good example, as unpopular as I know that's going to end up being amongst the "smart" marks).

I know this is not the demographic to take to flair, but I guess it all boils down to what you have seen. If you have never seen Flair from the early 80's, how can you praise his work?

But AL said he was a bad wrestler to start with, and thats lunacy.

Who did you vote, KK?
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I"m not necessarily saying he's a bad wrestler. I've just never actually seen him wrestle at all. And, despite what Destor claims, slap-fests do not count as wrestling.
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There are millions of matches better than this with Flair in them as well.
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I know this is not the demographic to take to flair, but I guess it all boils down to what you have seen. If you have never seen Flair from the early 80's, how can you praise his work?

But AL said he was a bad wrestler to start with, and thats lunacy.

Who did you vote, KK?
If it boils down to what you've seen, then not showing someone isn't going to help matters. Not to mention, AL didn't say Flair is a bad wrestler.

I voted Piper. Fake Scottish Pride FTW.
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It's not my job to show him.

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There are millions of matches better than this with Flair in them as well.
For people to blow him the way they do, there damn well better be.
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It's not my job to show him.

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And it's not my job to seek out something that probably doesn't exist. Cryptozoologiy is for people who think Nessie is real. To everyone else, it's a waste of time.
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