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Old 08-12-2008, 04:49 PM   #41
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Wait, so we're going to have giant jobber vs midget jobber?

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Old 08-12-2008, 05:24 PM   #42
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Why would a Monster, a seven-foot tall Monster, want to wrestle Rey, a two-foot tall Mexican? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this WWE Logic? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with WWE logic! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a guy with a Kane Mask tattoo, and I'm talkin' about Rey getting air time! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in in front of your computer deliberatin' and masturbatin' the WWE, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed IWC, it does not make sense! If Kane is a seven-foot tall monster, you must give up logic!
Look at the silly monkey!
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Old 08-12-2008, 05:30 PM   #43
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Old 08-12-2008, 05:33 PM   #44
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Why would a Monster, a seven-foot tall Monster, want to wrestle Rey, a two-foot tall Mexican? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this WWE Logic? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with WWE logic! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a guy with a Kane Mask tattoo, and I'm talkin' about Rey getting air time! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in in front of your computer deliberatin' and masturbatin' the WWE, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed IWC, it does not make sense! If Kane is a seven-foot tall monster, you must give up logic!
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Old 08-12-2008, 06:27 PM   #45
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You know what? This reminds me an awful lot of a Scooby Doo episode.

DAMN YOU FREDDIE PRINZE!
This does make some sense. Freddie Prinze Jnr writing. Rey Mysterio Jnr in the storyline. Ted Dibiase Jnr winning the tag belts back.

I'm seeing a pattern...
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Old 08-12-2008, 06:32 PM   #46
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OH, so Kane is gonna wear Rey Jr's mask now? ZOMG!!
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Old 08-12-2008, 06:42 PM   #47
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I definitely say this is a case to whip out my old catchphrase:

Watch before you bitch.
Oh no, in this instance that's like watching Hitler round up all the jews and saying "Wait, let's see what if does before you bitch"

This will not play out in an entertaining manner.
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Old 08-12-2008, 06:44 PM   #48
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This does make some sense. Freddie Prinze Jnr writing. Rey Mysterio Jnr in the storyline. Ted Dibiase Jnr winning the tag belts back.

I'm seeing a pattern...
Freddie Prinze writes for Smackdown.
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Old 08-12-2008, 07:53 PM   #49
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There is no reason what so ever that they can wedge Rey into this and make sense.

This started when Kane snapped and asked if he was alive or dead. What the fuck does that have to do with Rey?

Nothing about this makes any sense.

The fact that some of you are trying to shoe horn this into a scenario that makes sense is great, because the best you can come up with.....still makes no sense.
WATCH BEFORE YOU BITCH!

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to run around in this thunderstorm with a large pole in the air, because you cannot know for sure lightning will strike until it does.
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Old 08-12-2008, 08:05 PM   #50
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JR: Now Rey, we now know that Kane held you in his secret, underground torture chamber for a month, keeping you near starvation, probing your body with tools, scarring you with fire, ripping your flesh, and god knows what other sadistic measures human beings were not meant to inflict on each other. You and your family will never be whole again. Do you want to involve the law in this matter and lock this monster up for life?

Rey: Hell no! I just want his big red ass September 7, at Unforgiven!
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:19 PM   #51
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If this was their idea for starting a Kane vs. Rey feud, it's the worst one ever. Worse even than Jericho spilling coffee on Kane.
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Old 08-12-2008, 11:31 PM   #52
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Maybe they're finally rolling with Juvi's Mask v Mask Match that he pitched before he got the boot?

Have Kane go back under the mask then have Rey beat him, Kane unmasks and...It's someone other than Glen Jacobs?
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Old 08-12-2008, 11:35 PM   #53
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Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to run around in this thunderstorm with a large pole in the air, because you cannot know for sure lightning will strike until it does.
Oh my God, KK, I fucking love you, and I'm stealing that quote.
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Old 08-13-2008, 02:34 AM   #54
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Maybe they're finally rolling with Juvi's Mask v Mask Match that he pitched before he got the boot?

Have Kane go back under the mask then have Rey beat him, Kane unmasks and...It's someone other than Glen Jacobs?
It'd end up being John Cena.
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Old 08-13-2008, 02:35 AM   #55
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If this was their idea for starting a Kane vs. Rey feud, it's the worst one ever. Worse even than Jericho spilling coffee on Kane.
Now that COULD happen.
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Old 08-13-2008, 02:37 AM   #56
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And you don't think it makes sense for Rey to join Kane's "vision"? You don't need masks to hide your pain; show yourself, and expose your pain to the world. That is how you team them up.
I think it would be more likely that they both go back to masks. It's not that I don't think your idea is intelligent, or good, but it just seems too rich a concept for the WWE. Especially considering how much merchandise Rey Mysterio w/Mask moves.
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Old 08-13-2008, 02:41 AM   #57
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There is no reason what so ever that they can wedge Rey into this and make sense.

This started when Kane snapped and asked if he was alive or dead. What the fuck does that have to do with Rey?

Nothing about this makes any sense.

The fact that some of you are trying to shoe horn this into a scenario that makes sense is great, because the best you can come up with.....still makes no sense.
I agree completely. This storyline involving Rey would really make no sense, no matter what route they go with it. Well, it might make some semblance of sense here and there, but it makes little sense.

That is why I am hoping for Kane pulling out another mask next week, just to have Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler wonder just what Kane means, as they build to the Kane mask returning. The Mankind mask someone suggested would be a great idea.
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Old 08-13-2008, 03:09 AM   #58
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I've said it before and I'll say it even if it does happen: Kane going back to the mask would be completely stupid and utterly useless.
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Old 08-13-2008, 04:53 AM   #59
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Nostalgia is a powerful mother fucker.

I think as soon as he goes back under the mask (assuming he will one day) he's going to get face pops simply because of the memories.
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Old 08-13-2008, 06:03 AM   #60
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Old 08-13-2008, 06:14 AM   #61
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And you know what else burns my fucking ass?

Until the words "This isnt my mask" came out of his mouth, I was totally into it. I was like, yeah, Adamle is working it. Kane has tried to be normal, tried to suppress his murderous instinct. But now Adamle will be unleashing the beast.

They could have had Adamle try to control Kane, but only to find out there is no control. Mask kane is destroying people left and right. Eventually someone stops him. Whatever, it would work.



And a last note about the "see how is plays out" crowd....A good storyline (Mind you most fans are kids or rednecks) will make sense along the way. I dont want to have to wait until the blow off match to understand why these 2 are fighting.
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So, I get this now: new ideas will be instantly shat upon before we know where it's going, but when the company goes back to the same old shit with the same old main events, etc., then we have the right to gripe. Am I understanding this correctly?

Maybe a good storyline involves getting the fans to say "where is this going?". Maybe it has something to do with creating a fairly high profile feud we've yet to see. Not to suggest Kane and Rey are the biggest stars ever, but they're huge names and a feud between them has oodles of potential -- that's right, oodles!

Besides that, I"m really not arguing for this feud, if that's what we're headed for. I'm just saying, I think this is one of those times to shut it until we know what's up. That's all.
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Old 08-13-2008, 11:34 AM   #63
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And you know what else burns my fucking ass?

Until the words "This isnt my mask" came out of his mouth, I was totally into it. I was like, yeah, Adamle is working it. Kane has tried to be normal, tried to suppress his murderous instinct. But now Adamle will be unleashing the beast.

They could have had Adamle try to control Kane, but only to find out there is no control. Mask kane is destroying people left and right. Eventually someone stops him. Whatever, it would work.
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Old 08-13-2008, 01:49 PM   #64
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I know what you are trying to say Afterlife, I just refuse to accept it in this case. You are right, it is new, and people should give new things a chance, but this is just so fucking non-nonsensical. They are going to have to spend 15 minutes explaining it to me, and it should be that hard.

They could have had Kane pull Jason Vorhees' mask out of the bag, then have Robo Cop fight Pumpkinhead in a Soul on a Pole match, and it would make as much sense.


And yeah, I would take a 2003 like Kane back in this angle, it would at least make sense (The Flame Returning so to speak)
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I understand this is WWE, but the need for instant gratification on every turn is a bit much. Obviously you don't to like it, and sure as shit you don't have to agree with me -- I'm just some jerk on a forum. But storytelling isn't always a one-shot deal. That's all I'm trying to say.
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I understand this is WWE, but the need for instant gratification on every turn is a bit much. Obviously you don't to like it, and sure as shit you don't have to agree with me -- I'm just some jerk on a forum. But storytelling isn't always a one-shot deal. That's all I'm trying to say.

Yeah, but this thing is already riddle with plot holes.
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Riddled how? "He's dead"? That's one hole, and it's only a hole if he meant literally that Oscar was dead..
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Afterlife this is the internet. You can't be so optimistic. It's bad for you.
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Is he alive or dead? - How does this matter to rey?

Why did he snap into wondering about Rey after losing a match?

How is Rey Scarred?

Why is he scarred?

Where does kane fit into this?


I guess they ultimately did a good job in gettign the fans talking, cause as much as I now dont care, I still want to see how they dig their grave deeper on this shit sandwich, so I guess I will tune in.


This was such a let down, I still am bummed and cant stop complaining. I was marking out, then bam, shit sandwich in my mouth.

This was like coming down to Christmas morning, and instead of presents under the tree, you find out you are Jewish, then get thrown into and oven.
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In all fairness, the whole thing Afterlife is getting at about letting it play out seems reasonable. The problem with this angle is that after Monday I just feel like it's a dead end.

Even if next week they do the same thing with a different mask, the whole angle just seems like a total mess to me already, and I just totally don't care about it anymore.

Whatever the end result of this angle is, it's gonna be a moot point anyway because it's Kane. Within a few months he'll go back to being a mid-card jobber to the stars.

Kane is so desperately in need of an Infinite Crisis right now (DC fans will get the reference). His continuity and his whole character is so out of whack right now that it's hard to care anything about him anymore.
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Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with WWE logic! It does not make sense!
In which case, it has everything to do with WWE logic...
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Dunno, why this is getting so much hate, tbh.

Was unexpected, and I like that. Rey gets a lot of hate on these bords, so thats prolly a factor I guess. I enjoy both guys' work, and I don't believe they've ever squared off, so it's something new and fresh.

Not gonna crap on the angle itself, as it's a little too early to do so, imo.
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Is he alive or dead? - How does this matter to rey?

Why did he snap into wondering about Rey after losing a match?

How is Rey Scarred?

Why is he scarred?

Where does kane fit into this?


I guess they ultimately did a good job in gettign the fans talking, cause as much as I now dont care, I still want to see how they dig their grave deeper on this shit sandwich, so I guess I will tune in.


This was such a let down, I still am bummed and cant stop complaining. I was marking out, then bam, shit sandwich in my mouth.

This was like coming down to Christmas morning, and instead of presents under the tree, you find out you are Jewish, then get thrown into and oven.
Rey made, I think, one appearance before ghoing off tv to finish healing up. Kane could, as I was saying, be referring to Rey Mysterio and not Oscar Gutierrez. If Kane has managed to "kill" the character, then the character is, metaphorically, dead. If Kane's "darkside" was running this process, then Kane's "normal side" wouldn't be certain.

Rey's had hundreds of surgeries, I'm sure he has scars. That, and Kane's scars were in his head; perhaps he refers to Rey/Oscar's mental and emotional scarring.

Again, like I said before: Kane wasforced to be unmasked against his will and now he sees another man running around, basing his career on a mask. Kane sees this as unfair and rips the mask away, revealing Rey/Oscar for the "monster" he really is. Kane is fucking unstable, who knows what he's thinking exactly? Point being, this is not the fucking Bible - just because you haven't gone past page one doesn't mean there are contradictions in every chapter.
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Ooo, Bible Zinger!!!!!

How cool would it be if they became an alliance, and were like MAster and Blaster from Thunderdome!!!!
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Rey made, I think, one appearance before ghoing off tv to finish healing up. Kane could, as I was saying, be referring to Rey Mysterio and not Oscar Gutierrez. If Kane has managed to "kill" the character, then the character is, metaphorically, dead. If Kane's "darkside" was running this process, then Kane's "normal side" wouldn't be certain.

Rey's had hundreds of surgeries, I'm sure he has scars. That, and Kane's scars were in his head; perhaps he refers to Rey/Oscar's mental and emotional scarring.

Again, like I said before: Kane wasforced to be unmasked against his will and now he sees another man running around, basing his career on a mask. Kane sees this as unfair and rips the mask away, revealing Rey/Oscar for the "monster" he really is. Kane is fucking unstable, who knows what he's thinking exactly? Point being, this is not the fucking Bible - just because you haven't gone past page one doesn't mean there are contradictions in every chapter.
I like that you're trying to put a positive spin on things, but the thing is, Kane didn't kill Rey Mysterio. They've barely interacted in the past. If this were a comic book, Kane pulling out Rey Mysterio's mask in the final panel of the comic, setting up a future issue between the two. But the WWE revolves around a level of realism. You can't tell a story out of chronological order.

When did Kane take Rey's mask? Why didn't we hear anything from Rey, WWE.com or Kane?

Why is there such confusion about it? Why was Kane referring to something internal? Why didn't Mike Adamle want to do it (in Kane's words)?

This storyline, so far, is a mess. I'm willing to see where it goes. I'm hoping that Kane is giving cryptic clues. Worst case scenario: It was the WWE trying to shock us with something "random."
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I've said it before and I'll say it even if it does happen: Kane going back to the mask would be completely stupid and utterly useless.
Your opinion is your own, but utterly useless? Do you realise how much money the WWE could make in selling Kane masks? It would also refresh the Kane character by taking it to a zone where it was once so successful. Then there is the raw nostalgia factor. Kane could actually get a decent push with the mask.
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Evil Kane kidnapped Rey after his match with Santino and has been fucking with him ever since. That's how he got the mask. Normal Kane is only mildly aware of Evil Kane's actions and intentions, so he was frantic from being left out.

There are definitely ways to make things make sense. ASking questions that haven't been answered after the storyline's INTRODUCTORY promo, and calling them "unanswerable holes" is a little much.
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Your opinion is your own, but utterly useless? Do you realise how much money the WWE could make in selling Kane masks? It would also refresh the Kane character by taking it to a zone where it was once so successful. Then there is the raw nostalgia factor. Kane could actually get a decent push with the mask.
Bullshit. NOstalgia is only nostalgia when the thing you want isn't there. Nostalgia sells Kane DVDs. Nostalgia sells Kane masks wether he wears them or not. But let's not play games: taking off the fucking mask turned him into an unstoppable monster, and look where that went. Why the hell would putting it back on do fucking anything?
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Evil Kane kidnapped Rey after his match with Santino and has been fucking with him ever since. That's how he got the mask. Normal Kane is only mildly aware of Evil Kane's actions and intentions, so he was frantic from being left out.

There are definitely ways to make things make sense. ASking questions that haven't been answered after the storyline's INTRODUCTORY promo, and calling them "unanswerable holes" is a little much.
So why hasn't the WWE reported the disappearance of Rey Mysterio? Has Kane been wearing it to the Mysterio dinner table?
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Bullshit. NOstalgia is only nostalgia when the thing you want isn't there. Nostalgia sells Kane DVDs. Nostalgia sells Kane masks wether he wears them or not. But let's not play games: taking off the fucking mask turned him into an unstoppable monster, and look where that went. Why the hell would putting it back on do fucking anything?
Because putting it back on would once again turn him into an unstoppable monster. Movement does Kane's character good. At least for a time. It's also been five years since Kane lost the mask. The WWE has changed a lot, and in some ways become more desperate. A marketable masked Kane could definitely get more of a push than he once did.
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