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Old 10-03-2008, 10:26 PM   #41
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Old 10-04-2008, 02:55 PM   #42
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Old 10-04-2008, 08:13 PM   #43
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Sometimes the 'occupational' gimmicks work, if its a background character thing (Big Bossman, tough prison guard turned wrestler) or an ongoing element (JBL, Wall Street bigwig)... when it's something as mundane and unremarkable as a wrestling plumber, it makes zero sense, and less sense still that said wrestler would be so devoted to his shitty part time job that he would even wear the uniform whilst wrestling on national TV.

That would be like me getting a job working for WWE back when I was a Domino's store manager, and wearing a Domino's uniform in the ring. Maybe calling myself "The Pizza Man" or some shit. Surely I'd be getting a job as a wrestler to a) better myself and b) get away from my daily grind as a "pizza man", so why base my entire presentation of myself in a wrestling ring on the very thing I am trying to escape? Even from a kayfabe point of view, it makes zero sense... from a critical point of view, even less so.
I've often thought that if the gimmick was actually a case of Vince telling Drose or Hopper "You can only wrestle if you also keep the place running," that it would have been fine. Also would have made it easier to evolve the characters.

Also, I'd like a "Pizza Boy" wrestler. He could deliver an ass whipping in under thirty minutes -- or it's free. Also, he could have a story with virtually any diva, any time, when she invites him in for some "extra toppings". Not to mention, if he's a face (which he'd have to be) he could simply irritate all the heels instead of having serious grudges.

And, come to think of it, he used to be a delivery boy, but, of course, gave it up to wrestle fuill time. However, his love of fine pizza never went away, so he's always seen getting take out/order in from local pizzerias during his backstage segments. It's not an overly difficult thing to place, and it'd be a fine way to start a guy's character. Just don't try to smother him with a gimmick that won't be executed well.
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Old 10-05-2008, 04:22 AM   #44
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A pizza delivery guy character may be fine for a bit of comical filler in the undercard, but we all know it would never ever be taken seriously as a character that could make money in the business, and although it seems the WWE aren't really bothered, the way I see it ANY character whose design from the outset determines that he will probably never main event a show in his career should not be on TV.

Sure, there has to be a hierarchy and guys need to get beat for other guys to get wins, jobbers are required as much as main eventers... you never see a one-match card in wrestling. Somebody's got to be the opening match guy, and one unlucky soul has to be the man staring at the lights in said opening match... but why bother creating a character to fulfill that role? Surely if the card was full of guys who could potentially draw, who could potentially have a serious run, they will each eventually settle into whatever role befits their skill level, creative presentation and execution, drawing power and popularity anyway, be it main eventer or worthless jobber... rather than design people to specifically fail from day one.

The Pizza Man would never headline WrestleMania. Then again, I seem to recall a certain Mark Callaway set to debut at Survivor Series 1990 under the name The Eggman too, so things can change. So... does anyone else see The Ringmaster getting into the 2009 Hall of Fame??
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Old 10-05-2008, 04:19 PM   #45
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A pizza delivery guy character may be fine for a bit of comical filler in the undercard, but we all know it would never ever be taken seriously as a character that could make money in the business, and although it seems the WWE aren't really bothered, the way I see it ANY character whose design from the outset determines that he will probably never main event a show in his career should not be on TV.

Sure, there has to be a hierarchy and guys need to get beat for other guys to get wins, jobbers are required as much as main eventers... you never see a one-match card in wrestling. Somebody's got to be the opening match guy, and one unlucky soul has to be the man staring at the lights in said opening match... but why bother creating a character to fulfill that role? Surely if the card was full of guys who could potentially draw, who could potentially have a serious run, they will each eventually settle into whatever role befits their skill level, creative presentation and execution, drawing power and popularity anyway, be it main eventer or worthless jobber... rather than design people to specifically fail from day one.

The Pizza Man would never headline WrestleMania. Then again, I seem to recall a certain Mark Callaway set to debut at Survivor Series 1990 under the name The Eggman too, so things can change. So... does anyone else see The Ringmaster getting into the 2009 Hall of Fame??
I also said it'd be a good way to START a new guy. You give him a comical gimmick revolving around how he used to be a pizza boy. Not only could it be a little funny, but it's something people could relate to. But, you also do it like I said, where he's not literally working for a pizza company while being a wrestler. It's a backstory gimmick overall, and wouldn't necessarily effect his attire or his speech patterns. Although, I'd like for him to use The Pizza Cutter.

Point being, it's not a bad idea if you aren't set up for failure, and any gimmick can be set up for evolution.
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Old 10-05-2008, 04:31 PM   #46
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Bad Ass/Big Evil UT (i.e., the biker version of Taker) would never work today, and it should have never been done in the first place.
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Old 10-06-2008, 07:28 PM   #48
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