Val Venis - Was he as good as Rick Rude?

**Funky Fly** · 12-14-2008, 06:20 PM

A few things on my mind regarding this particular topic:

1. Val Venis is awesome. Before I elaborate, if anyone says "Noid post" in reference to this, you are banned.

Now, Venis took a somewhat ridiculous gimmick and made it work. The time he had the IC title, it was worth less than in the "good ol' days", but more than it is worth now. I believe they could have turned him into a main eventer if they really wanted, but I think we all know that would mean a gimmick change (not so great) or at least a gimmick evolution of sorts. And that wouldn't have worked out so well. Chief Morley anyone?

2. The IC and US titles need to stop being won by debuting wrestlers.

Come the fuck on. All of the guys who have won the IC or US titles upon debut are stck in midcard hell rn. I seriously doubt Carlito or Santino are ever gonna hold the big belts, let alone be remembered as credible midcard champs. If they really wanna stick the IC and US belts on debuting guys, it should be on guys you know will be main eventers in relatively short periods of time. I'd say sticking it on guys like RVD, Lesnar and Lashley on their debuts would have been reasonable. RVD last time RVD had a midcard belt before debuting in the WWE he made it more imortant than the world title itself. Lesnar and Lashley both had the skillset and credibility (ie. they were jacked up roid freaks whose matches Mcahon probably jerked off to).

3. They need to have certain maineventers who aren't in the world title picture go after the IC and US belts from time to time.

Jericho holding the IC belt while going over other maineventers added to the credibility of the belt, IMO. This should happen a little more frequently with guys like Kane. Then have them lose it on a fluke after a fairly long run of destroying the midcard guys. The guy who gets the lucky win then goes on to establish himself in the upper midcard on a failry long run of his own and then you have a brand new maineventer after a while. Easy as that.

4. The midcard needs to go back to its sort of 2 tiered system during the attitude era.

Owen Hart and Ken Shamrock were not maineventers. That's not really up for debate. The fact is, they weren't. But they clearly weren't your run of the mill midcarders either. These guys feuded with maineventers on the regular and were used to catapult guys like The Rock and HHH to the main event scene.

12-14-2008, 06:20 PM	#7
Funky Fly The Satanic Mechanic Posts: 52,521	A few things on my mind regarding this particular topic: 1. Val Venis is awesome. Before I elaborate, if anyone says "Noid post" in reference to this, you are banned. Now, Venis took a somewhat ridiculous gimmick and made it work. The time he had the IC title, it was worth less than in the "good ol' days", but more than it is worth now. I believe they could have turned him into a main eventer if they really wanted, but I think we all know that would mean a gimmick change (not so great) or at least a gimmick evolution of sorts. And that wouldn't have worked out so well. Chief Morley anyone? 2. The IC and US titles need to stop being won by debuting wrestlers. Come the fuck on. All of the guys who have won the IC or US titles upon debut are stck in midcard hell rn. I seriously doubt Carlito or Santino are ever gonna hold the big belts, let alone be remembered as credible midcard champs. If they really wanna stick the IC and US belts on debuting guys, it should be on guys you know will be main eventers in relatively short periods of time. I'd say sticking it on guys like RVD, Lesnar and Lashley on their debuts would have been reasonable. RVD last time RVD had a midcard belt before debuting in the WWE he made it more imortant than the world title itself. Lesnar and Lashley both had the skillset and credibility (ie. they were jacked up roid freaks whose matches Mcahon probably jerked off to). 3. They need to have certain maineventers who aren't in the world title picture go after the IC and US belts from time to time. Jericho holding the IC belt while going over other maineventers added to the credibility of the belt, IMO. This should happen a little more frequently with guys like Kane. Then have them lose it on a fluke after a fairly long run of destroying the midcard guys. The guy who gets the lucky win then goes on to establish himself in the upper midcard on a failry long run of his own and then you have a brand new maineventer after a while. Easy as that. 4. The midcard needs to go back to its sort of 2 tiered system during the attitude era. Owen Hart and Ken Shamrock were not maineventers. That's not really up for debate. The fact is, they weren't. But they clearly weren't your run of the mill midcarders either. These guys feuded with maineventers on the regular and were used to catapult guys like The Rock and HHH to the main event scene.