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Old 12-29-2008, 03:24 AM   #81
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Heres a question. Who would you cast as Bane?
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:26 AM   #82
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ROFL. I love you right now FA. That made my night. I was thinking maybe Vin Diesel, but that takes the cake.
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:27 AM   #83
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LOL. Yeah, I don't know though. I think it might take some camera work to make the guy look bigger than he really is--sorta like they did with Xerces in 300? I don't know. I can't think of too many guys that are both incredible actors and convincingly intimidating.

Except... well, Debo. And he's already been in a Batman movie.
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:27 AM   #84
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And I've actually thought about Vin Diesel as Mr. Freeze.



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Old 12-29-2008, 03:30 AM   #85
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Ra's was a thinker within a plausible organization and an often agreeable viewpoint, foreign to help you stretch that disbelief. The Scarecrow was a psychologist with a drug that mirrors effects of real life hallucinogens. The Joker was a man with realistic psychological issues and a perspective that mimics real, accepted ideals.

You're suggesting that the next villain should be a chemically pumped up military project instead of, say, a self made man with high but nonetheless human potential strength that simply outthinks, then overpowers Batman out of morbid curiousity and the desire for challenge, leading out of something seemingly bigger to wear Batman down--setting up for other portions of the movie.

Y'know, like he was in the comics. But why do that, when we could pump him full of phlebotinum and make his strength super human? Yeah, that's realism at its finest.

haha... k your getting all hung up on the suggestion I made and just missing the point all together that wasnt even directed to you in the first place, but because of the other thread your all mad and trying to proove a point, but heres the deal, all those characters you just listed off arent necessarily that way in the comics especially in different books and renditions of each comic. For example the joker appear, acts and has a different orgin based on what brach of comic you read from batman or DC, but he and his story had to be made to work in the nolan universe.

but you said that scare crow had a drug that mimiced real life hallucinogens and thats true but say you wanted to go the serum route with bain. could you not have a serum that mimics the collective affects of testosterone, steroids and adrenaline??? which if mixed properly IN REAL LIFE can cause a person to physically perform way past their normal abilities.
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I was also wondering if you think they'll ever try a crossover movie like they did with comics. I cant see Nolan being for it, but someone will eventually try to cash in on this.
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They've done talks for a Justice League movie, and both Nolan and the Bruce Wayne guy have said they want no part of it. Nolan feels it would take away from the atmosphere he's established for the movies, and I fully agree.
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I especially love that pumping him full of chemicals is "making him fit" into the universe, despite offering no insight whatsoever into motive or agenda. It's just making Bane less human for the sake of making it campy, then claiming it's to wedge him in appropriately.
a man that was stopped or defeated by batman and wanted to find a way to get back at him. or used by another villain as a henchamn of sorts to get to/kill batman.
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Yeah! Lets juice Bane and have him played by 'The Man Whose Arms Exploded'. We can even put some Alka Seltzer in his mouth so it starts foaming.
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haha... k your getting all hung up on the suggestion I made and just missing the point all together that wasnt even directed to you in the first place, but because of the other thread your all mad and trying to proove a point, but heres the deal, all those characters you just listed off arent necessarily that way in the comics especially in different books and renditions of each comic. For example the joker appear, acts and has a different orgin based on what brach of comic you read from batman or DC, but he and his story had to be made to work in the nolan universe.

but you said that scare crow had a drug that mimiced real life hallucinogens and thats true but say you wanted to go the serum route with bain. could you not have a serum that mimics the collective affects of testosterone, steroids and adrenaline??? which if mixed properly IN REAL LIFE can cause a person to physically perform way past their normal abilities.
That's funny, because you keep referencing the other thread and I don't. What point am I trying to prove again...?

Why would you bother stretching disbelief any more than you need to? They took exactly as much as they needed to for Joker, Ra's, etc. Bane doesn't need the serum to work. It's not integral, and only makes the story come out less believable than before. Why even bother with it if adds nothing at all to the plot? Dragging in excessive comic book traits for no real plot value isn't good movie logic, in fact it's...

a bit nerdy.
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Theres no way they could fit the other DC heros in with the universe that this batman is in without either seriously compromising the properties of either the other heros or the integrity of the nolan universe.
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a man that was stopped or defeated by batman and wanted to find a way to get back at him. or used by another villain as a henchamn of sorts to get to/kill batman.
See, the fact that you're saying he could be a henchmen pumped up on chemicals...


That's Batman & Robin, and it's terrible.
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In my honest opinion, the only person I would deem acceptable to pick up the Jokers mantle would be Johnny Deep. He has shown time and again that the roles he plays are seperate from himself.

I mean you dont see him and go "Thats Johhny Deep"

you see him and go "Thats E.g Jack Sparrow, Edward Scissorhands, etc"
Angel has a point, I mean next to Ledger, Depp is the only person who would take the role seriously, when I say seriously I mean SERIOUSLY.

Ledger lived, breathed and ate Joker while filming, most times he would even take it off screen.

Depp would do a good Joker I'm sure of it if we come to that point.
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I sorta wish you'd have given me a real response instead of pulling that "Oh, look at the nerd" nonsense again, but I guess this makes it easier on me, eh?
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That's funny, because you keep referencing the other thread and I don't. What point am I trying to prove again...?
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Why would you bother stretching disbelief any more than you need to? They took exactly as much as they needed to for Joker, Ra's, etc. Bane doesn't need the serum to work. It's not integral, and only makes the story come out less believable than before. Why even bother with it if adds nothing at all to the plot? Dragging in excessive comic book traits for no real plot value isn't good movie logic, in fact it's...

a bit nerdy.
are you going to basically repeat what I said in my last post because I know what I wrote in my last post... i wrote it.

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all those characters you just listed off arent necessarily that way in the comics especially in different books and renditions of each comic. For example the joker appear, acts and has a different orgin based on what brach of comic you read from batman or DC, but he and his story had to be made to work in the nolan universe.
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Angel has a point, I mean next to Ledger, Depp is the only person who would take the role seriously, when I say seriously I mean SERIOUSLY.

Ledger lived, breathed and ate Joker while filming, most times he would even take it off screen.

Depp would do a good Joker I'm sure of it if we come to that point.
I'm just hoping they won't waste Depp on trying to ressurect Ledger. Depp has his own talents that could be spent on new villains, new stories, and new endeavors. And really, nothing would help alleviate the bleak end of Dark Knight like never seeing the Joker again--that his incarceration really was his finale, and even if you can't change the world, you can certainly take a few bad people off the street. It sucks that we can't see Ledger's Joker again, but I think I can live without seeing Depp's Ledger's Joker.
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Where have i written anywhere that he needs to be juiced up?
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Except that was in response to... oh, wait your subtley referencing the other thread. D: Or did I just misinterpret you randomly being a troll? And way to go, completely avoiding an actual response again in lieu of trying to sink your claws into some juicy metaposter bullshit. Learn to debate the point and not the person making it, your arguments will sound alot less like ignorant flaming.

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are you going to basically repeat what I said in my last post because I know what I wrote in my last post... i wrote it.
Are you going to basically ignore my point in favor of being catty? The juice is exactly what I was talking about, and apparently what you were talking about, but you're in favor of keeping it. This isn't even reading between the lines--you're contradicting yourself and then acting like a girl about it.
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Where have i written anywhere that he needs to be juiced up?
Your entire method for "fitting him in" was justifying the juice, not counting some half assed agenda you shoehorned in upon request. What the fuck else did your suggestion consist of? Don't start backtracking on me now, you've violated enough debating rules today.
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I like your strategy of arguement though. You find one thing to hang your hat on and focus on it(bain being juiced), then you try to get me to argue myself into a circle bay taking what I say (the characters dont have to in directly reflect their previous incarnations from comics, cartoons, etc.) and reworking it too look like the idea is coming from you.
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I like your strategy of arguement though. You find one thing to hang your hat on and focus on it(bain being juiced), then you try to get me to argue myself into a circle bay taking what I say (the characters dont have to in directly reflect their previous incarnations from comics, cartoons, etc.) and reworking it too look like the idea is coming from you.
Your only real suggestion on Bane was that he be juiced. You later duplicated the plot of Batman & Robin and/or every action movie ever made when I criticized that particular notion. Your only idea this entire time has either been absolute shit to cover up the juice argument, or the juice. Okay.

And if you're not arguing in favor of the juice, what are you arguing about? What the fuck is your point at all, or has this degraded into just trying not to look wrong? My only complaint is that the juice is unnecessary, but here you are, still arguing instead of conceding. You've agreed that the juice is unnecessary--so what's the deal? Or are you just determined to "win," getting all "worked up" and whatnot?
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Your entire method for "fitting him in" was justifying the juice, not counting some half assed agenda you shoehorned in upon request. What the fuck else did your suggestion consist of? Don't start backtracking on me now, you've violated enough debating rules today.
backtracking to things i actually said verse things your saying i said. its simple go back and look. I was giving broad point to people who were having a tough time finding a way to have batman villains fit into the movies. Im sorry you dont like the idea of bain being juiced. I dont care whether he is or not in fact I dont like bain very much anyway, but if you want to keep harping on it be my guest.
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:59 AM   #104
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Your only real suggestion on Bane was that he be juiced. You later duplicated the plot of Batman & Robin and/or every action movie ever made when I criticized that particular notion. Your only idea this entire time has either been absolute shit to cover up the juice argument, or the juice. Okay.

And if you're not arguing in favor of the juice, what are you arguing about? What the fuck is your point at all, or has this degraded into just trying not to look wrong? My only complaint is that the juice is unnecessary, but here you are, still arguing instead of conceding. You've agreed that the juice is unnecessary--so what's the deal? Or are you just determined to "win," getting all "worked up" and whatnot?
My point was that it would be easy to get even the most obscure and fantastic batman villains into the story of the third batman movie as long as the writers had imagination. then I gave examples and you got all pissy and I had a lot of fun!
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My point was that it would be easy to get even the most obscure and fantastic batman villains into the story of the third batman movie as long as the writers had imagination. then I gave examples and you got all pissy and I had a lot of fun!
He's not obscure or fantastic. Boy, this post sure had alot of substance and boy howdy, was it relevant! Way to sidestep that one, champ.

And I "got pissy" in the sense that I pointed out how your idea was dumb. You really have no idea if I'm pissed or not, it just weighs your side of things to pretend that I am.
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I'm just hoping they won't waste Depp on trying to ressurect Ledger. Depp has his own talents that could be spent on new villains, new stories, and new endeavors. And really, nothing would help alleviate the bleak end of Dark Knight like never seeing the Joker again--that his incarceration really was his finale, and even if you can't change the world, you can certainly take a few bad people off the street. It sucks that we can't see Ledger's Joker again, but I think I can live without seeing Depp's Ledger's Joker.
The Joker is never truely "incarcerated" because he is always found not guilty due to his "insanity"

if it comes to it down the line and they decide to bring back Joker in the film Depp is the one for the role, anyone else would tarnish the legend that is The Joker.
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I'm just hoping they won't waste Depp on trying to ressurect Ledger. Depp has his own talents that could be spent on new villains, new stories, and new endeavors. And really, nothing would help alleviate the bleak end of Dark Knight like never seeing the Joker again--that his incarceration really was his finale, and even if you can't change the world, you can certainly take a few bad people off the street. It sucks that we can't see Ledger's Joker again, but I think I can live without seeing Depp's Ledger's Joker.
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Just watched TDK again and I think the dialogue in the interrogation scene as well as Joker's 'upside-down dialogue' pretty much sums up Batman 3's possible themes. The way Batman and Gordon's dialogue at the end of BB explained TDK's plot. Really interesting seeing it again.
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No Robin. Ever. No Catwoman for now.

The Riddler could be played by Jake Gyllenhal or some random British guy.

The Penguin should be played by Jack Black. He already has the voice nailed and can play a serious part like he did in King Kong.

They should also throw in Bane. Debo would be perfect. Maybe they can continue to follow his story after the boat incident. Then The Riddler or Penguin buy him out of jail in order to take out the Batman.
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I believe Depp is too big a star for this series.
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To be honest I don't really wanna see anyone who has already been in the other Batman movies. The Joker HAD to be done, but Catwoman, Riddler etc have all had their movie appearances. In trying to keep it realistic, maybe someone like Hush or Deadshot would be good.

Personally I'd love to see Liam Neeson back as Ras Al Ghoul. And someone said on the first page that Scarecrow should have an appearance in every film. That'd actually be pretty cool in a lol way.

On the other hand who wants to see a Batman film where Ghoul and Scarecrow are both the villains AGAIN?
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On the other hand who wants to see a Batman film where Ghoul and Scarecrow are both the villains AGAIN?
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What? Christian Bale and Morgan Freeman are huge stars. The Dark Knight grossed one billion dollars. There isn't anyone on this planet who's 'too big a star' for the Batman series.
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No shitting, though. Colin Ferrell, Johnny Depp and I think one other guy pick up the parts that Ledger left behind when he passed away--so they literally pretend they're Ledger playing those parts.

And Tom Waits is in it. Movie's going to blow my fucking face off.
Look's like a good flick. ALSO

Actors Depp, Farrell, and Law opted to redirect their wages for the role to Ledger's young daughter, Matilda, who had been left out of an old version of Ledger's will.

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Wow, that was so fucking cool of Depp, Farrell and Law
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Hugh Laurie should play the Riddler upon further examination.
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William Defoe or James Franco
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They should create a whole new villian. Made for the next movie. That'll teach you all!
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OK so I had an idea for a villain targeting Bruce Wayne in my head that sounded good but now I'm not sure if it would be cool or just pointless and gay.

My idea was for a secondary villain, maybe Reese Coleman(lol) who is after Bruce Wayne, not Batman. This guy who doesn't know that Bruce is Batman, attempts to get Batman's help to take out Bruce, since he assumes Batman is "bad" now that the cops are after him. I dunno, this wouldn't be the main conflict in the movie obviously, but it could make things interesting if Batman now has to face the main villain like The Riddler and then another guy who is after his Bruce Wayne persona. This means Batman/Bruce is never safe.
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Guess I'll add my Two Cents...

Depp as The Riddler
I would like to see Depp as The Riddler based solely on the fact that he is a damn fine actor and I like to watch damn fine actors at work. Perhaps he could be somebody drafted in by the police to help them find Batman, during the investigation "Ed Nigma" (I wouldn't use that name) discovers that Batman is in fact Bruce Wayne but rather than telling the police he keeps this information to himself and he becomes The Riddler and begins to torment Wayne/Batman (insert personal reason as to why he would do that into the plot).


The Joker Returns
With the rise of The Riddler in effect and his targeting of Wayne/Batman starting to effect the city at large the police turn to someone they believe can understand The Riddler's mind. Through Harley Quinn (Britany Murphy is a good fit for the role and could also provide the 'love interest' for Bruce) we have a 'Silence of the Lambs' setup between her and The Joker, played by....



Johnny Depp (hear me out).

I'd have him filmed from behind/shoot from his perspective so that you would never see his face (Depp would do his best to nail Ledger's take on the voice). I think there'd be an excellent duality in having both characters played by the same guy - as long as it was someone like Depp.

**An alternative is to use the 'Silence of the Lambs' scenario to twist "Ed Nigma" from police helper to the character he would become. "Ed Nigma" would use The Joker to try and 'get inside the mind of Batman' as Joker seems to understand what drives and motivates Batman. During these meetings Joker can subtley turn "Ed" into The Riddler.**


Penguin
An idea for Penguin would be to have him reform the Mob before becoming Mayor of Gotham. The people of Gotham are willing to vote anybody into power that they feel can stop the vigilante known as Batman. This comes as a knee jerk reaction tothe events of The Dark Knight (i.e. Batman "killing" Dent).

This however is a little too close to Batman Returns for my liking so an alternative would be to mix the two scenarios above and have The Riddler become Mayor - seeking Batman as the powerful Mayor "Nigma" as well as tormenting Bruce Wayne as The Riddler. Just for kicks of course.


Other Villains
I'm not too keen on Catwoman, Bane or a returning Ras BUT I can see how they could be done. Clayface should be steered completely away from - unless he's just a guy suffering from a disfigurative facial disease (akin to the Elephant Man) that somehow has some power in the Mob or something. I dunno, not really interested tbh.


This is where I lose you all...

Robin
At first I thought the idea of "The Boy Wonder" appearing in the Nolan created Batman Universe was a big no-no but now I've come to like the idea. However, there would need to be some major changes...

- I would at no point use the name Robin (unless it just so happened to be the characters middle name that could be referenced as a little injoke towards the end of the film).

- I'd also drop the circus background that we've seen before. Far too campy.

- He wouldn't be Batman's sidekick and wouldn't get a costume.

Batman would use "Robin" as a go between so that he could still communicate with Commissioner Gordon without risking Gordan's position. I'd have the character be some kinda streetwise teenager who at some point sees Batman save someone from a mugger (or something similar) thus learning that Batman is not the bad guy he's being made out to be.

Now comes the single reason I'd have "Robin" in the film: his method of getting around the city...parkour (freerunning). I think a chase secene with him running across rooftops, flipping, rolling, diving from ledge to ledge, etc would be kinda cool. Even have the chase be against Batman.



Anyways, there's my take on a few things. Feel free to rip it apart. Or better yet try to tie together the loose strands that I've left.
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