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Old 01-03-2009, 09:18 AM   #1
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Was fucking terrible last night.

Was gassing early, looked out of shape, no heat, or psychology.

Worst debut of someone in years

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Old 01-03-2009, 09:27 AM   #2
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Old 01-03-2009, 09:31 AM   #3
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Yeh, pretty bad. Crowd wasn't into him at all but it's still very harsh to judge what could be an interesting character by just one five minute match.
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Old 01-03-2009, 09:39 AM   #4
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Looked a little too much like Shizannon Mizoore for my liking.
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Kizarny seemed decent when I saw him work a dark match against Jamie Noble a few weeks back.

He isn't on next week's show, but hopefully they give him another shot. If he still sucks in the ring, keep him around as a comedy guy.
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Old 01-03-2009, 11:18 AM   #7
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I didn't see him debut, but maybe thats why he's not wrestling next week. Maybe WWE saw that he sucked, so they are already doing away with him. But how in the hell is WWE going to have future stars, if they don't give anyone a chance. Wrestlers aren't getting any younger.
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Old 01-03-2009, 11:33 AM   #8
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I didn't see him debut, but maybe thats why he's not wrestling next week. Maybe WWE saw that he sucked, so they are already doing away with him. But how in the hell is WWE going to have future stars, if they don't give anyone a chance. Wrestlers aren't getting any younger.
Exactly. Edge nearly snapped a guy's neck on his WWE debut, and look at him now.
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Old 01-03-2009, 11:39 AM   #9
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I consider it a stretch to call the debut "terrible". I said in another thread, It wasn't stellar, but it also wasn't the debut squash match we're used to. And the debut happened in line with MVP's one-man storyline, so he was the actual focus.
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Exactly. Edge nearly snapped a guy's neck on his WWE debut, and look at him now.
Did he really? Could you find me a video of that?
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Old 01-03-2009, 11:45 AM   #11
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Still sloppy, but in the main event so it's okay?
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Fuck that Jose Estrada guy. He had it coming to him. Why couldn't Edge's debut be as good as others we have seen... Taker 707 knows about the debuts.
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Old 01-03-2009, 12:07 PM   #14
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A very boring match.
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Old 01-03-2009, 01:25 PM   #16
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Very bad entrance, boring match, looked very out of shape, very crappy finisher....Just a total waste of time. I found the highlight to be MVP momentarily taking control.
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Old 01-03-2009, 01:50 PM   #17
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He wrestled here in an indie event 4 years ago and he was good then. He has a great look and is at least decent in the ring. I don't know how well he can carry himself or his opponent in a match, but he did well for a shitty indie harcore match.

Kizarny is a terrible idea. Actually the idea of a carny wrestler is a good idea for a gimmick, but they went about it the wrong way (boring). The match was boring, but at least it was an actual match and not a squash. Still boring though.
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Old 01-03-2009, 02:38 PM   #18
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I think the problem with Kizarny was that he fought MVP whose character has well been established and who got a considerable amount of offence in. If Kizarny was in a total squash match, or fought someone like Ryan Braddock, his debut would've been much better.

And for some reason, I just don't like it when these guys don't wear any kind of arm support (wrist tape/pads, elbow pads, etc.)
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Old 01-03-2009, 03:22 PM   #19
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You know, it wasn't like he had a bad match per say.

It was the little things that I hated, like the bad habits.

His execution of moves like a leg drop were wrong, his come back was really flat and wet, once his match started the crowd didn't seem to exist to him, which is one of the reasons there was no heat.

I am struggling to think of anyone this decade on WWE tv that had a worse debut, seriously, that's how bad I think it was
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It was the little things that I hated, like the bad habits.

His execution of moves like a leg drop were wrong, his come back was really flat and wet, once his match started the crowd didn't seem to exist to him, which is one of the reasons there was no heat.

I am struggling to think of anyone this decade on WWE tv that had a worse debut, seriously, that's how bad I think it was
Could this be the WWE Writers' faults? I think so.
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Old 01-03-2009, 03:32 PM   #21
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Very bad entrance, boring match, looked very out of shape, very crappy finisher....Just a total waste of time. I found the highlight to be MVP momentarily taking control.
Bad entance? Crappy finisher? Out of shape? Where are we getting these ideas?
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Yeh, pretty bad. Crowd wasn't into him at all but it's still very harsh to judge what could be an interesting character by just one five minute match.
I don't know if it made it to tv, but the front row and another good portion of the crowd was chanting "MVP.
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Old 01-03-2009, 06:51 PM   #23
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It was a pretty dead debut, but I thought it was a pretty decent match. I like the way he does his double arm DDT, but it's kinda disappointing that it's his finisher. I'd rather see it as a random move in his repetoire, and something with a little more kick to finish matches with.

I'm hoping he was just nervous--I know I sure as fuck would be. Maybe once he gets a little more comfortable, he'll start handling the crowd better--I'm sure it's not hard to make simple mistakes at a time like that.
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Let's not talk about Kizarny. When he gets fired after his second match he'll just be forgotten about, unlike Braden Walker.
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More impact on finisher, other then that I look forward to see where this could go.
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Old 01-03-2009, 10:33 PM   #32
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They should have just reused the heel Doink gimmick. With Kizarny, I am really not sure if he is supposed to be a heel or not. His style is such that he almost looks like he was "stalking" MVP in the beginning, but then as things progressed it got more facier. I am assuming the stalking was just because he is an unbalanced carny?
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Old 01-03-2009, 10:53 PM   #33
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First actual match on a major WWE program? High chance of getting fired for no particular reason? Pattern recognition? I'd be nervous.
But he's clearly an amazing talent, so....
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Old 01-04-2009, 03:43 AM   #34
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Hmmm, MVP looked alright in the match.
However I didn't care until the 8:37 mark.
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Here's the match for anyone that wants to see it. I'll admit that Kizarny did look sloppy at times. When I say that, I mean that it was obvious he was calling spots to MVP when they were on the floor, and stuff like that. But I was particularly offended by him, or anything. I'd chalk it off to nerves. Definitely give the guy another chance.

I actually really like the Double-Arm DDT with body scissors rolled into a pin. It's got its own style, but I think it needs to be supported by some more high impact, weirdly executed maneuvers. One thing that definitely needs to change about the guy is his music. He's meant to be this crazy carnival guy, but they have him come out to this harmless little ditty? Harden the fuck up, Kiz. Add some guitar riffs or bass to it -- something.

Also, one thing about the character is how inaccessible it is to fans. He's an alienating personality. Who really wants to hang out with a carnival freak? The Undertaker and Goldust can get away with this sort of thing, because of their longetivity and other such factors. Kizarny needs to have something that truly connects him to the fans. For The Boogeyman, it was going after heels. That's something Kizarny should do. He actually needs to enter a feud with a guy the fans do not like. I'm curious as to see how a feud between The Brian Kendrick and Kizarny would go, with one guy being all about style, and the other guy being all about...well, counter-style. At the very least, a tag team between Kizarny and The Boogeyman would work, with Kizarny soaking up the punishment, before tagging in Boogey.

Onto the other party in the match: MVP has been getting initial chants for a while now. It's a testament to the kind of performer he is that he can go on such a losing streak, and still remain as over as he has. That is important for a guy to be able to do, I think, and it's going to make MVP a better performer in the long run.
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Old 01-04-2009, 03:46 AM   #36
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Also, Mr. Kennedy rocks the old man look. And while it was not in this video, he does a pretty good MVP impersonation.
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Old 01-04-2009, 03:49 AM   #37
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How about this for this theme?
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That would rock, FourFifty.

This man needs to blow fire or something during his entrance, too. He seems like such a kinetic personality, yet he's not really doing anything with it.
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They should bring back heel Doink just for Kizarny to beat up one week.
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Would Kizarny and face Doink work out as a decent tag team filler?
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