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Old 01-13-2009, 05:26 PM   #1
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Rich Franklin vs Dan Henderson

205lbs

i predict that Rich Franklin will win by decision. Rich Franklin is a superb striker, and well rounded enough to nullify Dan Henderson's takedown. Henderson is too tough for Franklin to knock out.


Maricio "Shogun" Rua vs. Mark Coleman

205lbs

Shogun used to be considered the very best in the world. ive seen him destroy a couple of people in Pride. hasnt looked great in the UFC. dont know much about Coleman other than he won a decision of sorts over Shogun. and he looks to be in great physical shape. i cant call this one.


Denis Kang vs. Alan Belcher

185lbs

i dont know much about these two.


Chris Lytle vs. Marcus Davis

170lbs

this should be the "Fight of the Night". definitely a closer in my decision to buy this PPV. both are former professional boxers. Lytle is more of a brawler who wings his punches and comes straight forward - Davis more of a boxer who uses angles and straight punches. Lytle is much more advanced in Jiujitsu and will be slicker on the ground (if it goes there) and Davis is in outstanding phyiscal shape and can keep a very kenetic pace for three rounds.

while my own logic would put the odds at about 55 - 45 in favor of Lytle, i am going to predict (on a hunch) that they bang it out for two rounds leaving Lytle pretty winded for the third, allowing the Irish Hand Grenade to pull out a very narrow decision. there. s#!+!



Jeremy Horn vs. Rousimar Palhares

185lbs

with an absolutely ludicrous professional record of 79 wins 18 losses and 5 draws, i have never seen Jeremy Horn win a fight in the UFC. Horn has unparralled experience, but is not very imposing physically. Palhares is a beast physically but sorta one dimensional (yet very good at that one dimension - Brazilian Jiujitsu). im gonna predict Palhares wins this fight (tap out). i think it is more likely that we will see Palhares has improved on some of the weaker aspects of his game rather than we will see a Jeremy Horn comeback.



Antonio Mendez vs. Eric Schafer

205lbs?

this is one of the preliminary fights. i hope it gets televised. i saw Antonio Mendez lose to Thiago Silva. but Mendez looked good (before he got pounded out). seriously brutal kicks this guy has.
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Old 01-13-2009, 06:15 PM   #2
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Coleman is old he's gonna lose.
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Kang should assram Belcher but he's had a couple of bad losses.
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And Shogun had one fight in the UFC and his knee was jello so it's kind of unfair to say "He hasn't looked good in the ufc".
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And Shogun had one fight in the UFC and his knee was jello so it's kind of unfair to say "He hasn't looked good in the ufc".
okay. i'll agree with that. my bad.
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Old 01-14-2009, 08:51 AM   #6
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I think I'm the only one on the boards who wants Belcher to win...also I cannot for the life of me pick who is going to win out of Hendo V Franklin.
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Chris Lytle vs Marcus Davis should be the Main Event.
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lol, it's definetly going to be a good fight, but in no way should it be the Main Event
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See I think personally Davis vs. Lytle could be phenomenal. However I dunno why, I could see one of them not playing their rolls and deciding to use "strategy". I understand why they would, Imean you obviously wanna win the fight, but some of these guys in the company are "roll players". They aren't there to win championships, they are there to throw bombs and create fire works... Neither Davis nor Lytle are championship material... while both are very very good fighters, and are ufc calibre, they need to focus on putting on a show. I think they will... but sometimes oyu never know.
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I see the Lytle-Davis fight not lasting outside the 1st Round. I am predicting that someone will get knocked-out within the first few minutes of the fight. Definitely should not be the Main Event though.
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The Franklin-Henderson fight should be good and interesting.

I definitely want to see Henderson step it up and pull out a strong victory. He's lost a decision to Rampage, lost by tap-out to Silva and beat a relative nobody by decision. I don't see his UFC contract lasting too much longer if he cannot pull out any big wins soon.
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Are they not hyping this PPV at all? Where is the big preview show?
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Hendo FTW

Coleman will get destroyed and I def agree with Lytle/Davis prolly being fight of the night..

Since this is in Ireland, Marcus Davis will be "The Celtic Warrior" instead of "The Irish Hand Grenade"..
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UFC 93 - There Will Be Bombs

*Main Event* Chris Lytle vs Marcus Davis
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Old 01-17-2009, 01:39 AM   #16
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I feel like Mark Coleman is the best canidate to be the first person to die in the octagon on a UFC PPV event.
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I just hope that Shogun plasters Coleman all over the octagon.

A Petey Williams special to finish it off would be nice.

Ps Chris Lytle all the way! I don't mind Marcus Davis but Chris was an absolute legend to all the fans who approached him at the Birmingham event, so i'm hoping he wins.
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I'm not even trying to be funny right now. I think theres a really good chance Mark Coleman is carried out of the arena tonight.
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I'm not even trying to be funny right now. I think theres a really good chance Mark Coleman is carried out of the arena tonight.
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MARCUS DAVIS IS A PUNK BITCH

I love how he's like " yah i wanna stand and throw " then he spends the whole fight running around. What a fucking cock sucking Irish faggot that guy is.
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Shogun looked terrible against Coleman. Utterly terrible.
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Coleman was fucking robbed. The fight was stopped as he was going for a takedown.
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MARCUS DAVIS IS A PUNK BITCH

I love how he's like " yah i wanna stand and throw " then he spends the whole fight running around. What a fucking cock sucking Irish faggot that guy is.
Oh come on. You must be trying to just push people's buttons, because you just can't be that stupid.
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I'm sorry, but he said himself he wanted to stand and throw and as soon as he got rocked, he started back pedaling and kicking and just being a huge pussy bitch. Plus i thought Lytle still won the fight. He was the aggressor most of the time.
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Yeah, but Lytle aggressed with wild swinging shots, which Marcus majoritively avoided and precisely countered. There was only one time he actually made a big effort to get out of Lytle's range and it was because he was getting tagged. Surely that is just smart fighting. Not to mention that he was back in the middle of the cage as soon as he was out of the flurry.

You can't expect Davis to stand flat footed like Kimbo Slice infont of someone who swings at you really frequently in flurries. It's just not smart. But he did try to stay out of reach from most of his shots and counter, which is smart against a fighter like Lytle. I think there was only a couple of exchanges where Lytle threw first and didn't eat at least one sharp counter shot last.

And Davis beat up Lytle pretty good, and did it in a fight that never went to ground at all. The only way he could have won that was by standing and banging, being stupid enough to constantly throw the first punch and miss it while eating counters shouldn't and doesn't win fights. This is just one example. The declaration that he was going to stand and bang doesn't mean stand square from one anotherand swing till one guy falls asleep. That just isn't elite level fighting.

Now Coleman/Rua, that was a pair of pussies. If you had watched that fight at double speed, it still wouldn't look as competative as any other fight on the card. How the fuck that got FOTN I will never know. I've seen better fights in Cage Rage. How can the output the put out gas anyone that much?

Felt kind of bad for Franklin. I thought he won the first and last, that eye poke near the end looked gross, nearly ripped his eye out. way I see it, Rich was looking like piling it on, Hendo look knackard and he wiped an open hand down the side of his face. It just looked pretty intentional to me.
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no clue how that got FOTN

But to me, stand and throw means stand and throw. And Lytle appeared to be ready to do that. Davis ...no so much. Yah he fought a smart fight, but this was billed by himself to be a fight where they were gunna stand and fight and someone was getting knocked out.

Whatever. Lytle is still God in my book.
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Rua vs. Coleman wasn't bad at all, it was entertaining as hell. Shogun's had 2 knee surgeries, his gas tank isn't gonna be great and Coleman's 44 years old. Not great performances technically but they both showed some ridiculous heart and brawled like mofos.
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Rua vs. Coleman wasn't bad at all, it was entertaining as hell. Shogun's had 2 knee surgeries, his gas tank isn't gonna be great and Coleman's 44 years old. Not great performances technically but they both showed some ridiculous heart and brawled like mofos.
Oh my god shut up. They didnt show heart or skill or anything for that matter. Ive seen more skill and conditioning from the local amature shows I fight at. Coleman was gassed after 2 minutes and i dont know when shogun gassed cus he barely did anything other than shoulder roll on the ground and throw slow knees and he couldnt move come the second round. Just cuz coleman took a milion shots and didnt give up or go down doesnt mean he has no heart... It means hes so punch drunk that he wasnt feeling it.

Shogun is the most retarded fighter ever. Why would you fight in close with an ncaa champ. Why would he go for a clinch and throw knes after he landed strikes? How fucking retarded is that. He got taken down every time. He would have ended the fights with leg kicks if he kept throwing them.

That fight was awful... entertaining in the sense that I was discusted and couldnt look away, but aful in any sense of the concept of fighting.

Oh and franklin got screwed
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I enjoyed the Shogun/Coleman fight. The fact that both men looked awful didn't matter, because it was close enough to be interesting.

Perhaps if I watch MMA for a few more months, I'll turn into a snob and dislike fights like this. Who knows?
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Oh my god shut up. They didnt show heart or skill or anything for that matter. Ive seen more skill and conditioning from the local amature shows I fight at. Coleman was gassed after 2 minutes and i dont know when shogun gassed cus he barely did anything other than shoulder roll on the ground and throw slow knees and he couldnt move come the second round. Just cuz coleman took a milion shots and didnt give up or go down doesnt mean he has no heart... It means hes so punch drunk that he wasnt feeling it.

Shogun is the most retarded fighter ever. Why would you fight in close with an ncaa champ. Why would he go for a clinch and throw knes after he landed strikes? How fucking retarded is that. He got taken down every time. He would have ended the fights with leg kicks if he kept throwing them.

That fight was awful... entertaining in the sense that I was discusted and couldnt look away, but aful in any sense of the concept of fighting.

Oh and franklin got screwed
Haha you're a clown. Fact is, neither of them had a good night, but they stuck in there until the end and threw down. It was a fun fight to watch, they landed some bombs and Coleman got some pretty good takedowns.

They were both CLEARLY gassed, there's no doubt, but they didn't give up. Neither of them are currently title contenders, that is perfectly clear but instead of being an MMA snob who posts on Sherdog too much, just enjoy a good brawl and 2 guys who laid it on the line. It's pretty clear Shogun isn't his old self, but fuck, that combo at the end was devestating. Yes I'm aware Coleman kind of just stood in front of him... but what can you do? a 44 year old dude who hasn't fought in 2 years vs. a guy coming back from 2 knee surgeries. I wasn't expecting a "crisp" performance from either.

You shouldn't watch MMA if you have no respect for the combatants, I hate to call you a couch fighter, but clearly you are if you're talking this much shit. Coleman showed heart against Fedor and showed even more heart against Shogun. There's a reason he won over the crowd.
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Haha you're a clown. Fact is, neither of them had a good night, but they stuck in there until the end and threw down. It was a fun fight to watch, they landed some bombs and Coleman got some pretty good takedowns.

They were both CLEARLY gassed, there's no doubt, but they didn't give up. Neither of them are currently title contenders, that is perfectly clear but instead of being an MMA snob who posts on Sherdog too much, just enjoy a good brawl and 2 guys who laid it on the line. It's pretty clear Shogun isn't his old self, but fuck, that combo at the end was devestating. Yes I'm aware Coleman kind of just stood in front of him... but what can you do? a 44 year old dude who hasn't fought in 2 years vs. a guy coming back from 2 knee surgeries. I wasn't expecting a "crisp" performance from either.

You shouldn't watch MMA if you have no respect for the combatants, I hate to call you a couch fighter, but clearly you are if you're talking this much shit. Coleman showed heart against Fedor and showed even more heart against Shogun. There's a reason he won over the crowd.
Did you seriously just call me a couch fighter?! YOUR THE FUCKING CLOWN!

I actually fight numb nuts! Are you fucking retarded?

MMA snob? No respect for the combatants? Are you fucking kidding me???

Try someone who has a tremendus respect for the sport and doesnt respect some bull shit slob ass specticle that those two former shells put on last night. I respect the guys that put in hard work and both in training and in the fight. I respect the guys that put in the full effort because they respect the sport and themselves more than their paychecks.

That 44 year old man was just in there because he was getting money! Sorry to burst your sad delusional little bubble that is your world, but thats all it is. He wasnt able to fight lesnar so the only real profitable fight the UFC could make off of him was against Shogun and they were expecting Shogun to destroy Coleman.

That guy coming off of two knee surguries? You mean to tell me that he wasnt able to get the proper care to come back 100% from those surguries at least enough to give himself a competant showing? He thought he was going to kill Coleman too and didnt do all he could. Just like he did against Forrest. Not to mention his awful game planning! You dont clinch an NCAA and olympian wrestler!!! Especially when your tired! He could have easily beaten him by playing the perimeter and landing strikes! (Is that something a couch fighter would know you tool?) Time and time again he did this and coleman would catch his knee and take him down.

Its easy to stick around in there the whole fight when your not doing any damage and not having any done to you. When Shogun finally decided to hit Coleman you saw what happened.

Why dont YOU never open your mouth again because you make yourself sound like a complete jack ass that knows nothing about the sport.
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And what is with this backward concept of what you call heart? Just because a guy sits in there and takes shots all the while holding his hands by his belt and turning colors because he cant breathe doesnt mean he has heart. Heart comes from the TRAINING you put in. The hours and weeks of pushing your limits and the sacrifice of yourself and the people around you to work for a goal. Something they clearly didnt do. How dare you tell me what those slobs showed out there was heart.
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Did you seriously just call me a couch fighter?! YOUR THE FUCKING CLOWN!

I actually fight numb nuts! Are you fucking retarded?

MMA snob? No respect for the combatants? Are you fucking kidding me???

Try someone who has a tremendus respect for the sport and doesnt respect some bull shit slob ass specticle that those two former shells put on last night. I respect the guys that put in hard work and both in training and in the fight. I respect the guys that put in the full effort because they respect the sport and themselves more than their paychecks.

That 44 year old man was just in there because he was getting money! Sorry to burst your sad delusional little bubble that is your world, but thats all it is. He wasnt able to fight lesnar so the only real profitable fight the UFC could make off of him was against Shogun and they were expecting Shogun to destroy Coleman.

That guy coming off of two knee surguries? You mean to tell me that he wasnt able to get the proper care to come back 100% from those surguries at least enough to give himself a competant showing? He thought he was going to kill Coleman too and didnt do all he could. Just like he did against Forrest. Not to mention his awful game planning! You dont clinch an NCAA and olympian wrestler!!! Especially when your tired! He could have easily beaten him by playing the perimeter and landing strikes! (Is that something a couch fighter would know you tool?) Time and time again he did this and coleman would catch his knee and take him down.

Its easy to stick around in there the whole fight when your not doing any damage and not having any done to you. When Shogun finally decided to hit Coleman you saw what happened.

Why dont YOU never open your mouth again because you make yourself sound like a complete jack ass that knows nothing about the sport.
I don't think I know everything about the sport, I just enjoy a good scrap. It was a good scrap. They tangled, they landed bombs and they both stuck it out. Would I rather watch GSP vs. BJ Penn? Yeah. But I can still have fun watching two guys brawl. Shogun is not himself, but he still went in there and stuck it out. Coleman is far past his prime, but he stuck it out. LOL he gassed in like 2 minutes, but yet he managed to get take downs and work hard. It's not like I think it was the best fight ever, but it was a good scrap. Get off your fucking high horse.

Fact is, Shogun's not who he was, I'm pretty sure he tore both his ACL and MCL right off or something. I personally wasn't expecting the Shogun of old to show up, I was expecting him not to look all that great. And Coleman's a fuckin NCAA wrestler, the dude's a competitor so even though he's washed up, he's gonna keep pushing through the pain. That's what both of them did... they kept going, even though they were pretty shit. I respect and appreciate that.

I don't know, it's not like they ran away from each other all fight and lay on one another. That's what pisses me off. At least they engaged and landed bombs. And Shogun was definintely landing some shots all fight. Look at Coleman's face. And the leg kicks etc.

Yeah they both gassed... who gives a shit? Just sit back and enjoy it. Don't be a fucking snooty little baby about it.
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What the fuck are you talking about Newstead? They were both rediculously out of shape and technically appauling. If you can't hurt a guy from close range in a fight, if you can't get motivated by it supposidly being your passion, if you can't get motivated by the shitload of cash you are being paid, then I don't care about fight from years previous. Every single other fight on the card showed more technique in whatever anybody did. There was no snap on any punches thrown until the last flurry, Coleman only really got any takedowns because he occasionally fell on a leg and used his weight to put Shogun off balence. It was just aweful. Not worthy to be displayed amongst the upper echelon of the sport at all.

If conditioning could be injected like when they fought the first time, this might be a different debate.

But then again, we aren't having a debate now, Newstead is guilty of being nausiatingly incorrect about everything he put forward in this thread.
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Shogun is not himself, but he still went in there and stuck it out. Coleman is far past his prime, but he stuck it out. LOL he gassed in like 2 minutes, but yet he managed to get take downs and work hard. It's not like I think it was the best fight ever, but it was a good scrap. Get off your fucking high horse.
Shogun stuck it out because coleman couldnt hurt him at all. He was able to get takedowns on shogun because shogun had an awful gameplan of clinching a wrestler.

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I don't know, it's not like they ran away from each other all fight and lay on one another. That's what pisses me off. At least they engaged and landed bombs. And Shogun was definintely landing some shots all fight. Look at Coleman's face. And the leg kicks etc.
This is where I question whether you watched the fight....

If Shogun's jujitsu wasnt what it was, coleman would have laid on him the entire match. And after coleman got that initial takedown right off the bat of the first round... did you notice where he was the rest of the match? His back was to the cage almost using it as a support. The only reason he wasnt running from shogun was because the cage was there and he doesnt understand striking enough to know he needs to circle out.


Now I like to see a match with two guys landing bombs as much as the next guy, but thats not even what this was!!! Bonnar/Griffen, Wanderlei/Rampage, or the paul kell/paul taylor match from last year (I might have that confused with the marcus davis/jesse liaudin fight, whichever it was, it was the most impressive back and forth trading punches fights Ive ever seen) Those fights are when two competitors are throwing bombs and getting after it.
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What the fuck are you talking about Newstead? They were both rediculously out of shape and technically appauling. If you can't hurt a guy from close range in a fight, if you can't get motivated by it supposidly being your passion, if you can't get motivated by the shitload of cash you are being paid, then I don't care about fight from years previous. Every single other fight on the card showed more technique in whatever anybody did. There was no snap on any punches thrown until the last flurry, Coleman only really got any takedowns because he occasionally fell on a leg and used his weight to put Shogun off balence. It was just aweful. Not worthy to be displayed amongst the upper echelon of the sport at all.

If conditioning could be injected like when they fought the first time, this might be a different debate.

But then again, we aren't having a debate now, Newstead is guilty of being nausiatingly incorrect about everything he put forward in this thread.
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Well I can't be incorrect about enjoying the fight because I did.

And yeah, as I said, I'd rather watch other guys go at it... but considering who it was in the main event I was entertained. The only other option was Shogun murdering him...so at least it was interesting in that you didn't know whether or not Shogun was gonna win cuz Coleman came out in the third round hotter than Shogun.

You can't compare this fight to Griffin/Bonnar, Wandy/Quinton... cuz neither of these guys is on top of their game or up and coming... they're both a shadow of their former selves, so I don't really know what you came in expecting.

Also up until he gassed, Shogun's ground game was pretty decent, every time he got taken down he didn't have much trouble standing up, up until the third when he could barely stand.

I honestly don't think it was a fight of the night or anything, it was just dramatic and kept me interested. Maybe it's the wrestling fan in me.

Tho I think Chuck will probably murder Shogun lol.
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