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Old 01-19-2009, 07:30 PM   #441
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I think the Red Sox are going to end up signing Varitek, I think Boras was wrong and there isn't much demand for him...should have just taken the 10 million in arbitration because now he could be looking at a lot less.
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Old 01-19-2009, 09:52 PM   #442
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I think the Red Sox are going to end up signing Varitek, I think Boras was wrong and there isn't much demand for him...should have just taken the 10 million in arbitration because now he could be looking at a lot less.
Yeah, I think he'll be back there too. He clearly wasn't getting a big deal so I'm not sure what Boras was thinking not having him accept arbitration though. I don't think people expected this bad of an offseason for some guys but they had to know it wouldn't be a huge one with the economy. I mean I just read something that said Dunn shouldn't be expecting more than 5 million/year, which is pretty crazy. I'm sure he'll get more than that but still.
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Old 01-19-2009, 09:54 PM   #443
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Nick Markakis signs a 6 year/$66 million extension with Baltimore. He is a personal favorite of mine and could turn into a superstar.
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Old 01-20-2009, 01:38 PM   #445
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I'm shocked that Nick Markakis didn't go to the Yankees
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Mets sign Cory Sullivan to a 1-year $600,000 deal.

Pretty puzzling signing actually. Sullivan is a decent player but they've already got Ryan Church, Daniel Murphy, Fernando Tatis, Jeremy Reed, Angel Pagan, Marlon Anderson, and Nick Evans. Eh, depth never can hurt.

Hopefully they can sign up Sheets...if they get him I'll be satisfied.
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Alot more arbitration deadline signings today. Mainly the noteables. All are one year deals.

Phillies sign Shane Victorino. $3.125 mil.

Pirates sign Adam LaRoche for $7.05 mil.

Mariners sign Erik Bedard for $7.75 mil. along with $650K in incentives.

Red Sox sign Jon Papelbon for $6.25 mil.

Yankees sign Xavier Nady for $6.55 mil.

Tigers sign Edwin Jackson for $2.2 mil. along with $200K in incentives.
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Old 01-20-2009, 10:18 PM   #448
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too young and still affordable
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Old 01-21-2009, 05:10 AM   #449
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Looks like the Royals actually want to get better.
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Old 01-21-2009, 12:43 PM   #450
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Ethier the only one left to sign now...
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Old 01-21-2009, 01:17 PM   #451
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Interesting stat here

Tigers were only offering Justin Verlander 3.2 million and he wanted 4.5



Are you serious, Dombroski?? Give the man the extra money considering how good he is
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Looks like Ryan Howard and the Phillies were the furthest apart in their arbitration bids. Howard wants $18 million and the Phils submitted $14 million. Howard has some balls asking for an 80% raise after one of his worst seasons in the Majors and saving his ass with that hot September.
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Old 01-21-2009, 11:40 PM   #453
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Isn't arbitration supposed to keep the salaries somewhat manageable? If he gets the 18M thats crazy. This is his second year of arbitration right? That means next year he could be asking for more than 20M in arbitration, especially since it seems salaries don't go down, only up.

I mean Melky had his salary tripled after having a terrible year and being sent down to the minors. Obviously thats a small case since he'll only be making 1.4M next year. Still seems crazy though.
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Old 01-22-2009, 12:28 AM   #454
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Yeah, Howard's shattering the arby record every year. He got a record $10 million last year in his first arby hearing, but that was mostly because the Phillies screwed up and severely low-balled him. The arbitrator has to choose either the team's number or the player's number, so when a team lowballs a player like that the guy has no choice but to choose the inflated number.

Once you get into the second and third year, there's some rule saying a team can't submit a paycut more than a certain percentage, even if the guy was the worst player in the world. Melky could've hit .200 and still probably gotten a small increase...it's just the way the system works. It's mostly in place because for the first three years, the team gets to pay the player whatever they want. If a player's really spiteful (kinda like Howard and to a lesser extent Prince Fielder), they'll try to get some level of revenge at the hearing.

I remember Fielder being especially vocal about not liking the fact that the Brewers didn't pay him much more than the minimum in his first three years, despite him becoming the youngest player to ever hit 50 HR. He said something like "I'm not too worried, I'll eventually get mine." Then again, he is a Scott Boras client.
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48 homers and 146 RBIs last year. I wouldn't say that was a shitty year. I know very well his avg was lower and his Ks were higher, but in the end; 48 homers and 146 RBIs last year...

I hope he gets the 14million, not the 18 though.
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News and rumors.

Jeff Kent will announce his retirement today.

Omar Vizquel and Adam Melhuse sign minor league deals with the Rangers.

Both New York ball clubs are in a battle for Freddy Garcia's services.
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48 homers and 146 RBIs last year. I wouldn't say that was a shitty year. I know very well his avg was lower and his Ks were higher, but in the end; 48 homers and 146 RBIs last year...

I hope he gets the 14million, not the 18 though.
I have a feeling the arbitrator will decide that Howard's progression is worthy of a $4 million raise and not an $8 million raise. They won't give him two straight vcitories. It will completely offset every future arbitration case.
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Jeff Kent may be the world's biggest douchebag, but he'll probably go down as one of the better offensive second basemen ever. He'll eventually be in the Hall of Fame, even if he gets the Jim Rice treatment for being such a dick. Anyone who gets into a fistfight with Barry Bonds is alright in my book, though.
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Old 01-22-2009, 04:05 PM   #460
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LA can use that 10 mill of Kent's salary to finally lock down Manny for christ sake.
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Report: McGwire accused by brother of steroid use

NEW YORK (AP)—Mark McGwire’s youngest brother says in a book proposal that he injected the former baseball star with steroids, according to Deadspin.com.

Jay McGwire is circulating a manuscript titled “The McGwire Family Secret: The Truth about Steroids, a slugger and Ultimate Redemption,” the Web site reported Wednesday. Jay McGwire, a body builder, said his brother started using steroids in 1994 and that he injected Mark with Deca-Durabolin.

“Mark is a man I think most would like to forgive because his reason wasn’t nefarious—it was for survival,” the proposal says, according to the Web site. “My bringing the truth to surface about Mark is out of love. I want Mark to live in truth to see the light, to come to repentance so he can live in freedom — which is the only way to live.”

Jay McGwire, who says he has a strained relationship with his brother, could not be reached for comment Thursday. Telephone numbers for his home and fitness center in California were disconnected.

Mark McGwire repeatedly has denied using illegal performance-enhancing drugs. When he testified under oath before Congress in 2005, however, he wouldn’t discuss whether he did.

“Who knows what might have happened if I didn’t get Mark involved with all the training, supplements, the right foods, steroids, and HGH?” the Web site quoted Jay McGwire as writing. “He would not have broken any records, and the congressional hearings would have gone on without him. Maybe Barry Bonds wouldn’t have ever gotten involved with the stuff, either.”

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If McGwire's brother is doing it out of love, why does he have to choose a method that he can profit from as the way to tell everyone? And then he basically just claims he's the reason McGwire and Bonds broke records.

I'm not saying I think he's a liar, but this is clearly about attention.
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That's why Boras is a failure. The economy was tanked and he was still getting his players to manuever for big paydays, which equaled taking a risk. This was the wrong time to take risks for anyone other than top top TOP players.
Boras is a failure? I dunno about all that, I see Varitek still getting a pretty hefty contract and still getting to play for the organization he really wants to play for...all while coming off a year where he hit like .230

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Isn't arbitration supposed to keep the salaries somewhat manageable? If he gets the 18M thats crazy. This is his second year of arbitration right? That means next year he could be asking for more than 20M in arbitration, especially since it seems salaries don't go down, only up.
18M isn't that ridiculous if the Phillie's put their offer at 14M - The whole process of arbitration in MLB though is crazy if you really look into it.
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Old 01-23-2009, 10:17 AM   #466
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Boris is a failure. He wasn't always, I'm not saying that, but in the last year or so he has lost a lot of luster and is failing a lot of his clients.
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If McGwire's brother is doing it out of love, why does he have to choose a method that he can profit from as the way to tell everyone? And then he basically just claims he's the reason McGwire and Bonds broke records.

I'm not saying I think he's a liar, but this is clearly about attention.
If he wanted to do it out of love, wouldn't he just take the first book offer he gets instead of shopping it around? I'm sure Mark made sure that his brother wouldn't have any money problems during his prime.
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Boris is a failure. He wasn't always, I'm not saying that, but in the last year or so he has lost a lot of luster and is failing a lot of his clients.
Boras is not a failure because he still represents some of the top players in the league. Look at what he got Teixeira. But by all means, Boras is a fucking asshole. He interrupted the World Series to announce A-Rod opting out, only for A-Rod to eventually drop him as his agent. Boras also has a way of focusing on some of his clients over others. A lot of his guys must be frustrated by the way Boras drags along negotiations with some players for a $10,000 meal allowance while also wasting valuable negotiating time for his other clients.
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Boris is a failure. He wasn't always, I'm not saying that, but in the last year or so he has lost a lot of luster and is failing a lot of his clients.
Really? In the last year he's been a failure?


Alex Rodriquez $275M/10yr
Mark Teixeira $180M/8yr
Derek Lowe $60M/4yr
Prince Fielder $18M/2yr


Those are some of the highlights from the "last year or so" not to mention the contracts he has gotten for Daisuke Matsuzaka, J.D. Drew, Johnny Damon & Barry Zito in the last few years. On top of that you have Manny Ramirez who got out of 2 club option years which had no long term security for him and Jason Varitek who is probably going to be grossly overpaid by the Red Sox. Plus even his "lesser known" guys seem to be doing alright as Alex Cora just signed 1 year 2 million dollar contract w/ the Mets.

If that's a failure in your eyes then I hope I never need to live up to your expectations.
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what did I say about boras that you're all over looking?
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You said hes lost his luster (which isn't true, if you are saying that because teams don't like him now - well they have never liked him) I'm not sure why you think that, yeah the A-Rod thing looked bad but so does pretty much everything A-Rod does so I dunno if you can really put that all on Boras. You also said he's failed his clients recently, which obviously isn't the case and you also said something about him only getting good deals for his "primetime" (or something to that effect) clients which also isn't true. So I don't really know what I'm overlooking
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Really? In the last year he's been a failure?


Alex Rodriquez $275M/10yr
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Prince Fielder $18M/2yr


Those are some of the highlights from the "last year or so" not to mention the contracts he has gotten for Daisuke Matsuzaka, J.D. Drew, Johnny Damon & Barry Zito in the last few years. On top of that you have Manny Ramirez who got out of 2 club option years which had no long term security for him and Jason Varitek who is probably going to be grossly overpaid by the Red Sox. Plus even his "lesser known" guys seem to be doing alright as Alex Cora just signed 1 year 2 million dollar contract w/ the Mets.

If that's a failure in your eyes then I hope I never need to live up to your expectations.
You really think Boston is gonna overpay for Varitek? I just don't see it. No other team seems even the slightest interested in him and to get him they have to give up a first round draft pick. I'd be surprised if he gets more than a 1 year/5-6M dollar deal.
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Word has it the Mets want to get a deal done with Oliver Perez by the end of the weekend. Their original offer was 3 years, $30 million but Omar said he's willing to bump it to 4 years at no more than $10 million per year. Unfortunately, I fully expect Boras to pop in with a mystery team at the last second

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You really think Boston is gonna overpay for Varitek? I just don't see it. No other team seems even the slightest interested in him and to get him they have to give up a first round draft pick. I'd be surprised if he gets more than a 1 year/5-6M dollar deal.
It's a huge gamble though, I'm not the biggest Varitek supporter due to his declining skills (I kinda think "calling games" is a bit overrated) but the Sox really need him this year - they are bringing a bunch of back ups or future prospects into camp as of right now. So if the Sox "call his bluff" and he does have a slightly better offer elsewhere they are in trouble. I don't really know who else could have that offer though, but you never know.

If he does take a low offer from the Sox though you could put that one on Boras, but I still don't think that makes anywhere close to a failure...
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If Manny signs something better than what he had in Boston, I'll take back my Boras statement. If ARod re-hires him after the PG fiasco from a year or so ago, I'll change my opinion. If I recall right, Boras didn't ink the Yankee deal with A Rod.Boras caused a PR faux-pas in his negotiations with the Yankees VS A Rod and in the end, A Rod dropped Boras and got the deal done without Boras.
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