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Old 01-25-2009, 12:21 AM   #481
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Manny might not have even had a deal this year with Boston though - there was two club options left @ 20 million a year. I suspect the Red Sox would have picked up one of those option years, so if Manny gets anything longer than 1 year (which I would assume he will) than I'd say its better than the deal he had in Boston.

As I said the A-Rod thing did look bad but you can never know for sure who was more at fault there because what is Boras going to do? Throw his client under the bus when he comes out and says things? Also Boras still negotiated the contract after A-Rod's private meeting with the Yankees front office - he is still A-Rod's agent, thus will still be getting 5% of potentially 315 million dollars (if A-Rod hits all of the incentives)

If Tex was a no brainier there's gotta be a reason he choose to go with Boras? I don't really know what that argument is, that's like saying me or you could get Tex the same contract which I don't think is the case.

Even ignoring the Texeria deal, if you look at his track record with all his other clients I really don't see how you could ever consider the guy a failure. His biggest issue right now is with guys coming out of the draft however he has been able to secure great deals for rookies, like getting a major league deal for Craig Hansen right off the bat, but a few times that has backfired. Other than that though he really hasn't done much wrong for his clients. I'm not a Boras fan or anything and I can understand not liking him due to some of his techniques but saying he is a failure is ridiculous in my opinion and I really don't see how you could even think that.
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Manny might not have even had a deal this year with Boston though - there was two club options left @ 20 million a year. I suspect the Red Sox would have picked up one of those option years, so if Manny gets anything longer than 1 year (which I would assume he will) than I'd say its better than the deal he had in Boston.

As I said the A-Rod thing did look bad but you can never know for sure who was more at fault there because what is Boras going to do? Throw his client under the bus when he comes out and says things? Also Boras still negotiated the contract after A-Rod's private meeting with the Yankees front office - he is still A-Rod's agent, thus will still be getting 5% of potentially 315 million dollars (if A-Rod hits all of the incentives)

If Tex was a no brainier there's gotta be a reason he choose to go with Boras? I don't really know what that argument is, that's like saying me or you could get Tex the same contract which I don't think is the case.

Even ignoring the Texeria deal, if you look at his track record with all his other clients I really don't see how you could ever consider the guy a failure. His biggest issue right now is with guys coming out of the draft however he has been able to secure great deals for rookies, like getting a major league deal for Craig Hansen right off the bat, but a few times that has backfired. Other than that though he really hasn't done much wrong for his clients. I'm not a Boras fan or anything and I can understand not liking him due to some of his techniques but saying he is a failure is ridiculous in my opinion and I really don't see how you could even think that.
Time will tell if I am more right or you are more right. Going back to what I said, Boras over the last year or so has been a failure. Now there's no doubt that I am taking it to the extreme calling him a failure, but I do believe he's becoming just that.
Could you have gotten Tex that deal? LOl, well probablynot, but I do not think Boras was alone in the abilityto have swung that deal. I actually think Tex is taking less money for more years in this deal. Not a typical Boras tactic. Tex may have had something to do with that mind you.

Anyway. My Jays aregoing to suck this year unless they have a few surprises emerge from theminors. I believe the Rays will be good again this year, Red Sox will do well as always, Yankees I feel will under achieve but still be close. - That's my thoughts on the AL East
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This one guy goes to the Shea Stadium deconstruction sight every day to take new pics...it's really surreal. The entire field is covered in remains of the stadium...he posted a vid showing an entire section coming down. The whole stadium is expected to be rubble by the end of the week.

I know Shea always was considered a dump...but damn. Seeing the stadium you always went to as a kid get destroyed slowly sucks. I'll probably feel the same way after the next NFL season when Giants Stadium goes down.
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This one guy goes to the Shea Stadium deconstruction sight every day to take new pics...it's really surreal. The entire field is covered in remains of the stadium...he posted a vid showing an entire section coming down. The whole stadium is expected to be rubble by the end of the week.

I know Shea always was considered a dump...but damn. Seeing the stadium you always went to as a kid get destroyed slowly sucks. I'll probably feel the same way after the next NFL season when Giants Stadium goes down.

Like seriously, they are finally tearing down Tiger Stadium. I remember those days like it was yesterday and I was 10 when I went to my last game there. When they tear down Joe Louis Arena, I will feel the same way
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Somewhat surprising news today. The Yankees may be closing in with Andy Pettite on a 1-year deal worth $6 mil with another $6 mil in incentives.
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Somewhat surprising news today. The Yankees may be closing in with Andy Pettite on a 1-year deal worth $6 mil with another $6 mil in incentives.

After all that posturing before the Sabathia and Burnett signings? I love Andy Pettitte, but it's really starting to look like he's just in it for the money.
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After all that posturing before the Sabathia and Burnett signings? I love Andy Pettitte, but it's really starting to look like he's just in it for the money.
If he's taking 6M guaranteed money how is he in it for the money? I don't think he's worth the 16M he wanted before but I think the 10M offer early on was fair. Kind of surprised he'll only get 6 million guaranteed. Hopefully this gets done, really sets the rotation up nice.
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I wanna know what these incentives are to get him the rest before I buy this. I'm all for bringing Andy back. But what made him bite at this?
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I wanna know what these incentives are to get him the rest before I buy this. I'm all for bringing Andy back. But what made him bite at this?
I'm sure they are fairly easy and reachable incentives. Just something like pitching 200 innings I'm guessing. I think I read something like he has to stay on the active roster for a certain amount of time as one part of the incentives. So pretty much staying off the DL.

Basically the Yankees could pay an extra 1.5M (over the earlier offer of 10.5) if Pettitte stays healthy all year but they could save 5M if he doesn't.

I don't know the definite incentive terms or whatever but thats what I'm assuming after reading some stuff about it.
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If he's taking 6M guaranteed money how is he in it for the money? I don't think he's worth the 16M he wanted before but I think the 10M offer early on was fair. Kind of surprised he'll only get 6 million guaranteed. Hopefully this gets done, really sets the rotation up nice.
Yeah, but I don't buy the whole "he just wanted to pitch for the Yankees" bit this time. Face it, he couldn't get the money he wanted from the Von Steingrabbers so he tried to get it elsewhere. He talked to the Dodgers and the Astros whether you want to believe it or not. After he couldn't get the money he wanted there, he came back to the Yankees to take the $10 million offer, but it was gone. Going back to other clubs, I'm sure they decided they could find better things to spend their money on than a 37 year old guy that just went 2-7 down the stretch last year. That leaves Andy the option to try and save face, sign for six million, and hope he can stay healthy enough to hit the incentives in days on the active roster and innings pitched.

I really want to believe that Andy just wanted to pitch for the Yankees the entire time, but it just doesnt seem that way.

The guy makes me nervous anyway. Even as a fifth starter, he's not the same pitcher that he was even 5 years ago. His Fastball doesn't reach above 89-91 too often anymore and his cutter isn't exactly the knuckle bruiser it used to be. Plus the guy's off-speed stuff is very, very hittable. Jamie Moyer can pitch until he's got one foot in the grave because he is the living definition of a crafty lefty. The more I watched Andy last year, the more I thought he was trying to rely on stuff he might not have anymore. Hopefully he gets a ton of run support this upcoming season.

Or maybe someone could coax Jim Leyritz out of retirement to be the guy's personal catcher again.
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The only thing I can say about this is GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Great deal for the Royals. Nice to see them committing to keeping one of their few good homegrown players, and buying out two years of free agency. Not to mention that's an awesome price for a guy as good as Greinke.
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Didn't you hear? They changed their name to the Texas Power Rangers.

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Great deal for the Royals. Nice to see them committing to keeping one of their few good homegrown players, and buying out two years of free agency. Not to mention that's an awesome price for a guy as good as Greinke.
Shit, they give Gil Meche 13 million a year, so why the fuck not Greinke?

They spend enough to field an actualy team, they just spend it poorly. They let good talent walk then sign meche to a huge deal, it makes no sense.
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To be fair, they signed Meche when the market required teams to overbid for anything decent. The 2006 offseason was loaded with ridiculous contracts. Now money is a lot harder to come by, especially for a team like KC. Plus, homegrown talent is always cheaper to resign.
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Exactly Supreme...in a market filled with overbidding, a small market team should not have been spending at all.

The difference between them and Tampa is Tampa doesnt spend in Bull markets, and they keep their talent.
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The crazy thing is, for as dumb as that Meche deal looked at the time, it's somewhat paid off. He's pitched better in KC than he ever did in Seattle, and it sure as hell is looking like a better signing than my Brewers signing Jeff Suppan after a fluky postseason where he was given the "ZOMG~! CLUTCH!" tag by the media.

I think it's a little early to judge the Royals based on the way the Rays are operating. Tampa's really transformed since Friedman came into the GM role...before that they were run just as poorly as the Royals. The Rays have also gotten lucky with most of their big name prospects panning out...guys like Alex Gordon and Billy Butler haven't lived up to the hype quite yet. I can't really think of anyone the Royals haven't kept that was good, aside from maybe Beltran when he was still there. That was a lost cause, though...everyone knew that he was going to get $100 million once he hit the market and the Royals had no chance of keeping him, so they had to deal him to Houston.

Jose Guillen was a pretty horrible signing, though. I'll give you that.
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The crazy thing is, for as dumb as that Meche deal looked at the time, it's somewhat paid off. He's pitched better in KC than he ever did in Seattle, and it sure as hell is looking like a better signing than my Brewers signing Jeff Suppan after a fluky postseason where he was given the "ZOMG~! CLUTCH!" tag by the media.

I think it's a little early to judge the Royals based on the way the Rays are operating. Tampa's really transformed since Friedman came into the GM role...before that they were run just as poorly as the Royals. The Rays have also gotten lucky with most of their big name prospects panning out...guys like Alex Gordon and Billy Butler haven't lived up to the hype quite yet. I can't really think of anyone the Royals haven't kept that was good, aside from maybe Beltran when he was still there. That was a lost cause, though...everyone knew that he was going to get $100 million once he hit the market and the Royals had no chance of keeping him, so they had to deal him to Houston.

Jose Guillen was a pretty horrible signing, though. I'll give you that.
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Its still kind of funny that the Royals gave Farnsworth 9.5M for the next two years this offseason. Don't really get it.
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Gotta be his 100 MPH fastball.
I like the Royals ways the last few years. They've been adding pitching, maybe not the top free agent, but good solid pichers. Meche sounded overpaid a couple years ago, but he looks right on as it stands with salaries anymore.
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Jon Garland to the Diamondbacks for 1 year and between $6-8 million. Solid pickup, gonna put even more pressure on pitchers who haven't signed yet.

Cubs might be on the verge of acquiring Aaron Heilman for Ronny Cedeno and a minor league pitcher. Wouldn't shock me if Heilman is traded yet again later on to the Padres.

The market is crashing around anybody who hasn't signed yet not named Manny Ramirez. Abreu and Dunn are both likely to have to take 1-year deals...and one agent said he would be shocked if Dunn got anything more than $5 million. The Mets lineup is already really left-handed as is, but IMO, $5 million for 40 HR and 100 RBI is a steal, regardless of his strikeouts and defense.
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Jon Garland to the Diamondbacks for 1 year and between $6-8 million. Solid pickup, gonna put even more pressure on pitchers who haven't signed yet.
Randy Johnson was about the same price, is going to win 300 this year, which would have basically guaranteed the D'Backs hat in Cooperstown, and everyone here fucking loves him...but they let him go for Jon Garland??
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Yeah that deal makes no sense. I could understand if they had wanted to sign Garland to a 3-4 year deal. But a one year deal when you could pay Randy Johnson the same amount makes little to no sense
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Dunn should try for a NL team, I just dont see him putting up the same numbers in the AL.

He should just sign with the Nats and get it over with. I dont see many other options for him.

Maybe LA if they dont land Manny.
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How do you figure
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My guess would be that the guy has crushed NL pitching and has managed to crank 40 homers a season for the last 4 I believe. So why leave?
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Because the pitching the AL is much better.
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Dunn might go AL and drop some HRs, and in Turn, his RBIs. He will also walk less. And that negates his strengths.

In the AL, Dunn could be a slightly better Jack Cust
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AL pitching isn't that much better.
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Yeah plus AL pitchers would be unfamiliar with him.
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