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Old 02-09-2009, 06:58 PM   #601
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I guess the thing I'm surprised about is that anyone really cares (or is shocked, for that matter). There are only a few guys that I would be legitimately surprised to hear they took PEDs in their prime, and Rodriguez wasn't one of them. He's always had the ridiculous power numbers, but the guy looks like a bodybuilder now compared to his last couple years in Seattle.

I don't buy that he only started taking them in Texas, and I don't buy that he's not still on something now. Now that baseball tests for most of the archaic stuff, he's probably moved on to something that can only be detected with a blood test, and the Player's Union would rather have a years-long strike than allow that in the next CBA.

It's been said before in this thread, but he's far from the only guy to have taken something in that timeframe. There's a hell of a lot more that were using than the ones who showed up in that survey testing -- those are the guys who were either too dumb to quit or too arrogant to really care.
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at that "apology." Blaming it on everyone else but himself.
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"Back then it was a different culture. Really? What was going on in Football and the Olympics??
It was very loose. 'It' nothing, this is about your character, again look at the penalties and public attitdes from other sports
I was young.poor excuse, also, doesn't explain why these guys keep lying about it in interviews when they're older
I was stupid," WAS? That implies past tense. Get your shit together, man
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The cost would be high, but should Yanks unload A-Rod?

When the New York Yankees re-signed Alex Rodriguez in the fall of 2007, they envisioned the "clean" alternative to Barry Bonds — the knight in shining armor who would erase the stain of steroids from the all-time home run record, and they would bask in the glory of it with their brand, according to New York Daily News baseball columnist Bill Madden.

Now that A-Rod's pursuit looks as counterfeit as Bonds', they should do what's best for the organization: Cut him loose — no matter the cost.

As difficult as it is to imagine eating $270 million, the Bombers will be making a statement, not just for the Yankee brand but for baseball as a whole.

They will be applauded for it.

The Yankees operate under two basic tenets: The relentless pursuit of championships and the fierce protection of their brand. If they are going to remain true to both, then they have no choice but to sever ties with Rodriguez.

This winter the Yankees invested $423 million with the signings of CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Mark Teixeira. All of that figures to be offset now by the reports that A-Rod was a steroid cheat. Everywhere the Yankees go this spring and into the season, they will be greeted by choruses of "A-Fraud!" and "A-Roid!" And if you think A-Rod wilted under the pressure of big games before, just imagine his delicate psyche now under the heightened scrutiny of the media and fans.

Don't think for a minute that Derek Jeter and the rest of A-Rod's teammates are privately reveling in his exposure as a true phony, as some people are suggesting. This affects all of them, and their pursuit of championships is hindered by his being a constant source of unwanted turmoil.

Source: New York Daily News

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Why I disagree with the article is because the Yankees did not throw Giambi out with the bath water. Also, the Yankee brand is not as shiny as this reporter seems to portray them. being that it's A-Rod and the whole saga in New York with him, it makes you wonder if it's being considered for this or any other reasons though..
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I saw that article earlier and its kind of ridiculous. Steroids or not he is still one of the top 3 players in baseball right now. Yeah, this whole thing certainly makes 9 years seem like a much longer time but still. Throwing 270 million out the window is just insane, even for the Yankees.

Yeah, baseball will probably applaud the Yankees. And then half the teams in baseball will be running to sign him.
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I guess the thing I'm surprised about is that anyone really cares (or is shocked, for that matter). There are only a few guys that I would be legitimately surprised to hear they took PEDs in their prime, and Rodriguez wasn't one of them. He's always had the ridiculous power numbers, but the guy looks like a bodybuilder now compared to his last couple years in Seattle.

I don't buy that he only started taking them in Texas, and I don't buy that he's not still on something now. Now that baseball tests for most of the archaic stuff, he's probably moved on to something that can only be detected with a blood test, and the Player's Union would rather have a years-long strike than allow that in the next CBA.

It's been said before in this thread, but he's far from the only guy to have taken something in that timeframe. There's a hell of a lot more that were using than the ones who showed up in that survey testing -- those are the guys who were either too dumb to quit or too arrogant to really care.
Well, he had blood tests for the WBC the other year and will have another one this year. He hasn't failed any steroid tests since then.

Obviously he could still be on something, but so can everyone else. That is a huge problem with the drug testing in the first place. It doesn't test for a lot of the stuff going around.
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Late news. Besides the big A-Rod story today.

Cardinals release Adam Kennedy. Tony La Russa supposedly had a hand in making that happen.

A's sign Edgar Gonzalez to a minor league deal today.

Rays sign Morgan Ensburg to a minor league deal. He can make $650K if he makes the team out of spring training.

Brewers sign Brandon Looper to a 1-year deal.

Giants sign Rich Aurilia to a 1-year, minor league deal. He can make $1 mil. if he makes the team.

Dioner Navarro and the Rays have gone to Arbitration.

Dodgers sign Jeff Weaver to a minor league deal. He'll be fighting for a bullpen spot during spring training, not a starting spot.
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Bobby Abreu signs with the Angels.
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I wonder which nickname is going to stick: A-Roid or A-Fraud

he's just ripe for parody isn't he
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Also, I say this every time a big name gets linked to steroids but I'll say it again

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I think one of the NY papers had A-Hole
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Nationals reportedly agree with Adam Dunn on a two year contract. Based on Abreu's supposed $5 mil contract, who would have thought Pat Burrell would wind up with more money than either of these guys this offseason?
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Yeah, Burrell and Milton Bradley really seemed to luck out by signing early. Abreu and Dunn are better than both but won't get near the contract of them.
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I saw that this morning, wow. Apparently he got raped by two guys when he was 17 after a baseball game and then gave it to his girlfriend a couple years ago.
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So Selig is contemplating adjusting A-Rod's career statistics as punishment for admitting his steroid use.

Now while this is a good idea in theory, it's incredibly dangerous to actually do. First, why are you only contemplating doing this now when A-Rod is not even close to being the first player caught using steroids? Second, you're creating an extra punishment for someone who admitted to cheating, meaning players who did cheat have even more incentive to keep their mouths shut.
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I heard that Selig also wants to "officially" make Hank Aaron the All-Time HR King again.

Look, Barry Bonds is a dickwad. He's a scumbag of a human being and I wouldn't be sad if he got hit by a bus tomorrow. He cheated and thought he could get away with it. But you can't just re-write the record books because you think he took steroids. I realize that Selig would get on his knees for Hank because he grew up watching him play every day in Milwaukee while the Braves were still there, but this is just stupid.

Once you start altering the statistics of guys like Bonds and Rodriguez, you're getting yourself into a huge mess of trying to figure out who was clean and who wasn't. You can't just strip the records of the guys that got caught, because there are hundreds others that didn't. In order to do this effectively, you'd basically just have to wipe out everything that happened after an arbitrary date, say 1980.

If you're going to take the records away from Bonds, what's next? Revoking the Giants' NL pennant from 2002/2003 (I forget which year)?
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Simple as this.

When you get caught doping in the olympics, they disqualify you and strip your medals and records.

Do this to Steroids people. Their stats do not count.

No Adjusting....you cheat and your out.
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You do that and there won't be many guys left in baseball from this era. And just because guys don't get caught doesn't mean they didn't do anything. Those 103 names on the list most likely don't even scratch the surface on who's used in the past. And really, how far back do you go to take records down? I'm pretty sure even Hank Aaron himself admitted to using greenies (amphetamines) before, which is something that I think would trigger a failed drug test now.
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You cant give people a pass because EVERYONE didnt get caught. But you have to punish the ones who did. Strike them from record books.
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And what about guys like McGwire, guy that's have no hard evidence but have plenty of hearsay? And what kind of message does this send to those who didn't get caught? It says keep your mouth shut or you'll end up a villain like the guys who fessed up. And what about people who cheated in other ways? Babe Ruth used a corked bat. Whitey Ford altered baseballs. Shouldn't they be stricken from the record books too?

You can't just erase the past. That's as bad as trying to say it never happened.
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As for the A-rod thing....e does not look like a bodybuilder compared to breaking in.....he is only 10 pounds more now...which I can do with a trainer in 3 months,

It sucks cause he was the best shot a a legit record...and he ruined it for an extra 15 HRs over his career average before the roids.
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And what about guys like McGwire, guy that's have no hard evidence but have plenty of hearsay? And what kind of message does this send to those who didn't get caught? It says keep your mouth shut or you'll end up a villain like the guys who fessed up. And what about people who cheated in other ways? Babe Ruth used a corked bat. Whitey Ford altered baseballs. Shouldn't they be stricken from the record books too?

You can't just erase the past. That's as bad as trying to say it never happened.
Ok...so ignore the Fact so you can hope the possible becomes real.
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Wow, Jerry Manuel is considering batting Luis Castillo leadoff if he feels Luis is failing to get it going.

I'm not sure how I feel about that...I mean yeah if Castillo is "on", he will mainly be slapping in singles and it'd make sense to have Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Delgado etc. behind him to try and drive him in - better than having him bat 8th and hit a single only for the pitcher to ground into a double play.

But then again Reyes is one of the top leadoff hitters in the game, and this planned lineup doesn't even have him batting 2nd, but 3rd (with Daniel Murphy or Ryan Church batting 2nd). He could get over 100 RBI easily if the leadoff and #2 batters do their jobs, but if they don't you'll only be costing him some at-bats. The Mets' strength last year was scoring first inning runs.

If nothing else I give Jerry credit for thinking outside the box.
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Today's leadoff hitters are a joke anyway, so what does it matter.
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There is a severe lak of classical lead off hitters. There is little to no speed guys with high average or OBP.

there are more Wily Taveras and Juan Pierre like players than there should be.

Outside of Reyes and Rollins, the leadoff spot is fairly weak.
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there are more Wily Taveras and Juan Pierre like players than there should be.

Outside of Reyes and Rollins, the leadoff spot is fairly weak.
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