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Old 02-26-2009, 12:15 AM   #1
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Saying Goldberg, who was a flash in the pan, is more of a wrestling legend than Shawn Micheals is like trying to say the Ultimate Warrior was more of a legend than Rick Flair. Goldberg had a huge out of no where push then as quickly as he went up, he went back down. Micheals has done more for the business than Goldberg has took from the business.
I never said that Goldberg is more of a wrestling legend than Shawn Michaels.

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Just because someone is known outside the business for the business doesn't make them better. A "great" wrestler needs to be all-around great in all areas. Michaels matches that. Goldberg just happened to get a push at the right time. Anyone who was big, could grunt and dominate a match for five minutes could have been Goldberg.

I stand by my opinion that Kurt Angle is the greatest to step into the ring. Awesome in the ring, on the mic, great charisma, can play both heel and face, etc. He wasn't/isn't a HUGE draw, but to not include him with the "greats" like Austin, Flair or Hogan is ridiculous. Same goes for Michaels.

If someone knows of, say, Hulk Hogan, yet has never watched a wrestling show in their life, what does that really do for the wrestling business? Nothing. He didn't draw those people in, he just happened to be big enough for the word of mouth or media whoring to get around.
Everyone here is overlooking just how big Goldberg was in the day, I feel. And I'm not saying that makes him better than Shawn Michaels. I'll take HBK any day, and place his importance to the industry higher. I was just agreeing with Heyman when he listed Goldberg and was questioned for it.

Of course some non-wrestling fans know who Shawn Michaels is. I've heard people talk about fucking Scotty 2 Hotty. If anyone took my comments on Michaels not being known by anyone outside the wrestling consciousness literally, they are a fucking idiot. My point was that Shawn Michaels, for some of the reasons listed by Dave and Jeritron, has never been a part of mainstream pop-culture. I'd possibly call Shawn Michaels the greatest to have never been a big "draw." But I am of the belief that to truly be the greatest ever, you have to do your job, do it well (something that can be questioned about Goldberg, for example), and yes, I do believe you have to make some money.

It doesn't help that "greatest" is such a broad thing to judge. Are we talking solely based on an individual's wrestling skill? Their promo ability? What they have done for the industry? You're going to get a varying array of answers for "Greatest of All-Time," because people place importance on different qualifiers.

But to answer the question of this thread: I believe that the WWE will put HBK over as one of the best of all-time, because he is. I don't think they will flat-out call him "the best," but you might hear more specific adjectives thrown out for him.
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:02 AM   #2
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If anyone took my comments on Michaels not being known by anyone outside the wrestling consciousness literally, they are a fucking idiot.
I am so sick and tired of hearing this. If you say something, back it up already. If you didn't mean it, that's what is for.
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:21 AM   #3
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I am so sick and tired of hearing this. If you say something, back it up already. If you didn't mean it, that's what is for.
I love Noid.
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:40 PM   #4
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:56 PM   #5
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I am so sick and tired of hearing this. If you say something, back it up already. If you didn't mean it, that's what is for.
You've got to be kidding me? If you can't sort through obvious hyperbole to find a point, then I'm not going to help you.

And BDC, I don't know how things can get any less literal than taking points to absolutes. There is no holding back on the inner process there. Also, do you and KK really rehearse together? If so, that is sad.

And what the fuck is a gaint?
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:18 PM   #6
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You've got to be kidding me? If you can't sort through obvious hyperbole to find a point, then I'm not going to help you.
Hyperbole works best when the person practicing it is, you know, good at it.
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:27 PM   #7
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Hyperbole works best when the person practicing it is, you know, good at it.
Tedious, no one ever has, nor ever will, love you. See, I'm damn good at hyperbole. It's an easy thing. It's exaggeration. The only way to mess it up is to not exaggerate at all. Also, considering you went into a flurry trying to defend against the emphasis I placed, I'd say it was damn effective in making a point to you.

Unfortunately, hyperbole can fall on idiots' ears.
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:34 PM   #8
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Tedious, no one ever has, nor ever will, love you. See, I'm damn good at hyperbole. It's an easy thing. It's exaggeration.
Um... Noid...

Hyperbole:
1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

What you just did there in that quote is actually:

Irony:
1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.

Now, what word am I looking for here... ah yes:

Jackass:
1. a male donkey.
2. a contemptibly foolish or stupid person; dolt; blockhead; ass.
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:44 AM   #9
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Um... Noid...

Hyperbole:
1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”
Bingo. See the landmark post where Kane Knight actually supported me for further clarification on this.
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:11 AM   #10
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If anyone took my comments on Michaels not being known by anyone outside the wrestling consciousness literally, they are a fucking idiot.
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