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Old 02-25-2009, 11:25 AM   #41
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Matt Striker was on top of his game druing this match, as well. Sorry, I'm watching it again right now.
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Old 02-25-2009, 11:48 AM   #42
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It WAS for the title. I honestly don't know why anyone would have expected Christian to win last night for that reason alone.

Also, maybe this is just happening in my head, but the Swagger character seems to 'step-up' when the title's on the line. Seems to be a LOT hard to beat him in a title match.
Funniest thing...It appears that the character is grizzle-ing in front of our eyes. He has a more stern approach to the business he needs to handle, he goes in and gets it done, and since nobody has mentioned it yet, he really worked Christian's arm last night! He told the story and Christian sold it. I give that match 3.5 solid stars
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Old 02-25-2009, 11:51 AM   #43
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Yeah, I was debating with my girlfriend whether the injury was actually legit. We both thought it was until the ending, of course. Christian did a great job of selling it and Swagger did a great job of sticking to it. I especially liked that spot where he did that shoulder breaker, held on, smashed him into the turnbuckles, held on, hit ANOTHER shoulder breaker, held on for a second, then just slammed him on the mat. It was beautiful.

I agree with your point about Swagger, too, but people are way too far up Christian's ass to give him any credit right now, which I don't think is fair. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Christian a whole bunch too, but I haven't been upset about anything that has happened with him since his return.
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:01 PM   #44
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Really, though I don't see this as that big of a deal. I am a little confused about where this is going, but I'm confused in a good way. Again I thought the match was great. Christian did a great job selling the injury, and his spots were good also. Swagger also did a fantastic job in that match. I wasn't a huge fan when I first saw him, but he has really grown on me. He's been very good as champion, which has really surprised me. Plus. that Swagger Bomb was pretty devastating.

I've been very happy with Christian's work since his return, and I'm liking this program with Swagger more and more each week. I'm looking forward to seeing how this unfolds. Seeing either man in Money in the Bank would be quite awesome, but seeing them battle for the ECW title on the big stage wouldn't disappoint me.
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:02 PM   #45
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Matt Striker was on top of his game druing this match, as well. Sorry, I'm watching it again right now.
Indeed he was. I can't say the same for Todd, though. Am I the only one who doesn't really enjoy his commentary all that much?
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:03 PM   #46
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Going on WWE logic (as ridiculous as that may seem to some), Swagger has no reason to be in Money in the Bank. Remember when CM Punk was in it the year before he won and said that if he won, he was going to cash it in on the ECW title?
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:06 PM   #47
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In other related ECW stuff, I thought Tyson TJ Kidd Wilson's trunks were legendary

My guess is DH Smith is gonna show up soon
Tyson Kidd's trunks were great. With the exception of that thing on his head, I am loving his look. I'm looking forward to seeing him in an actual storyline, hopefully with Evan Bourne. But I could also see them addressing the behind the scenes story with him and DH Smith and how Kidd made it back to the big time before Smith.
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Tyson Kidd's hair gives him character. It's one of the best things about him. If he were a face, it'd be different. Also, his theme music is fantastic.
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It does distinguish him. And yes, his music is incredible. I'm enjoying Natalya as well.
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Going on WWE logic (as ridiculous as that may seem to some), Swagger has no reason to be in Money in the Bank. Remember when CM Punk was in it the year before he won and said that if he won, he was going to cash it in on the ECW title?
I know he doesn't have a reason to be there, but if by some "mishap" he did get in, I would enjoy his presence.
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:10 PM   #51
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I am enjoying Tyson Kidd (and also how hot Natalya is looking these days). I would also enjoy seeing a Kidd/Bourne program. It would be sweet.
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Old 02-25-2009, 01:01 PM   #52
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I like how Striker was saying that if Christian's arm wasn't hurt, he would have been able to hit the unprettier, even hook the leg better on pin attempts.

Swagger looked like a million bucks here, and Christian looked like he gave a shit again. Awesome match.
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Old 02-25-2009, 01:11 PM   #53
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Christian was moving like a lot younger Christian did. That springboard to the outside was impressive.
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Just to add to this, The Undertaker lost to Kozlov this week on SD, in the lead up to defending his streak. To build Kozlov up as a threat (albeit before he loses to HBK on Raw)

Could it be that WWE thought that the fans are expecting Christian to win, so they're delaying the win, making it seem like Swagger has Christians number now, before Christian could get a one up on him?

I mean just because Christian lost a title match on Sci Fi, doesn't mean they've given up on him or whatever. I'm sure they're just building.
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Old 02-25-2009, 05:00 PM   #55
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Indeed he was. I can't say the same for Todd, though. Am I the only one who doesn't really enjoy his commentary all that much?
Joey Styles & Matt Striker would be a good combination. That and Rey Mysterio would make me watch ECW!
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Joey Styles & Matt Striker would be a good combination. That and Rey Mysterio getting a spike DDT into a bed of thumbtacks, over a pit of cobraswould make me watch ECW!
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Old 02-25-2009, 05:12 PM   #57
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I think Strker and Grisham are ok. Easily the best tandem on WWE programming right now Grisham mails some broadcasts in though. Last night was one of em. I think that That kid in pink will be pretty good. He has an RVD feel to him, I'd rather see him and DJ Gabriel tangle. that could be fun.
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Old 02-25-2009, 05:13 PM   #58
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The more I think about it, the more I want to see Finlay/Dreamer/Christian/Swagger in a Fatal 4-Way at Mania, maybe even with extreme rules.
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who wins that?
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Old 02-25-2009, 05:19 PM   #60
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Tyson Kidd's trunks were great. With the exception of that thing on his head, I am loving his look. I'm looking forward to seeing him in an actual storyline, hopefully with Evan Bourne. But I could also see them addressing the behind the scenes story with him and DH Smith and how Kidd made it back to the big time before Smith.
lol he's had that thing on his head for fucking ever, it's part of his look. I mean, yeah it looks daft but you gotta do whatever you can to stand out
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Swagger. Having him drop the title in a 4 way would be waste unless they go the 'I never got pinned!' route. But I'd be very confident of Swagger retaining if that were to happen
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Any of those three but Finlay. I don't hate Finlay, but I don't wanna see him as ECW champ.
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Old 02-25-2009, 05:38 PM   #63
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I would be very on board with throwing Tommy in there two, but I think you can only have Finlay, Swagger, or Christian win. Tommy's big title chase pay-off isn't until summer, so putting him in there now and having him lose would be another "Tommy doubts himself" moment that builds up to his one-on-one with whomever is champion at in the summer.

I still think you have Christian take the title. He's gonna need the "former World Champ" credit to his name.
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I don't see any problem here. It was a hard fought contest and Christian came up short. He had gone over him two times before, in non-title situations. Irrelevant if those were fully clean or not. He was booked to look stronger and then when the time came, wasn't able to pull it off.
I'm sure we haven't seen the last of the matchup. This is how you build a fued.
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Just watched Christian's return.

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/vid...ry8-14/9340766

Damn, I can't help but think this is some seriously wrong booking. WWE could have dropped him in big time. Drop him back in with Edge as a baddy-zoid with Big Show etc..

Anything but this lackluster entrance.
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Old 02-25-2009, 05:57 PM   #66
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Why is everyone so bent out of shape about the Edge/Hardy angle. Its not like that angle is really going on, its 1 on 1 right now. When Jeff Hardy becomes back into the title hunt against Jeff, bring Christian in then. But for now he is fine, let him build up in ECW. They will bring him with or against Edge sometime in the near future.
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I must say Christian has really improved. He finally learned how to carry himself instead of living in Edges shadow.
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Christian needed to come back as a face. Why fight against that natural face reaction he is going to get? Edge is needed in the main event scene, so those two can't feud. Christian is where he should be right now.

Looking forward to watching the match between them tonight. Christian being in Money in the Bank would really raise the level of that match, in my opinion. You need some bigger stars in it. But yeah, I think they tangle at WrestleMania again.
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Finlay will probably come out and say it's his turn again, Christian will want one more chance. It will probably be a triple threat at WrestleMaina. I just pray Mark Henry isn't involved.
I'd actually like to see Christian and Finlay work a #1 Contender's Match on ECW to decide who gets to challenge Swagger at WrestleMania. They could have a televised MOTY candidate, quite honestly.

Todd Grisham and Matt Striker are the best commentary duo in the WWE right now. I'd like to see Striker work with Jim Ross on SmackDown!, personally. I think they would compliment each other very well. Joey Styles & JBL is still a dream team of mine, even though I'm sure JBL would do his best to make Joey look awful. If they could keep it professional, they would be awesome together.

I think that Todd Grisham & Paul Heyman would have a weird sort of chemistry together. Todd is a funny guy, and Heyman is pure evil in the booth. I could see them having a good time together. If Jerry Lawler is going to play the bland face who doesn't add anything from color commentary, then partnering him up with Josh Mathews -- who always had a bit of cynical wit to him (not unlike Todd Grisham), but has also does color commentary and is knowledgeable enough to hold his own out there with a sandbagging Lawler -- could be bizarrely entertaining.

RAW: Michael Cole & Tazz
SmackDown!: Jim Ross & Matt Striker
ECW: Todd Grisham & Paul Heyman
Superstars: Josh Mathews & Jerry Lawler
Special Occasions: Joey Styles, Jim Ross & John Bradshaw Layfield

Just a little rant about commentary teams. Joey Styles, Jim Ross & John Bradshaw Layfield would make a very interesting team, I think. You've got Styles, who is the left-wing kind of wrestling nut, JBL who screams "Republican asshole," and Jim Ross as a buffer between them. Them calling matches like the Royal Rumble, Money in the Bank and the occasional SNME could be very good.
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Anyway, I'd also like to throw it out there that I wouldn't mind it if the WWE built up Jack Swagger to be the guy to end The Undertaker's WrestleMania streak. The WWE obviously has a lot of faith in the guy. He's a good talent, is young, seems the kind of wrestler that would be a threat to Taker, etc.

Of all the guys under contract, he's the best option I can see.
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Ross and Striker did and ECW episode a few months ago. They meshed really well together.

I wouldn't mind a Undertaker/Swagger feud. Swagger's strength and charisma will help and aging Undertaker, and Undertaker will improve Swagger's repitoire.
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Just to add to this, The Undertaker lost to Kozlov this week on SD, in the lead up to defending his streak. To build Kozlov up as a threat (albeit before he loses to HBK on Raw)
I came into this thread expecting ECW spoilers, not Smackdown spoilers.
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Anyway, I'd also like to throw it out there that I wouldn't mind it if the WWE built up Jack Swagger to be the guy to end The Undertaker's WrestleMania streak. The WWE obviously has a lot of faith in the guy. He's a good talent, is young, seems the kind of wrestler that would be a threat to Taker, etc.

Of all the guys under contract, he's the best option I can see.
Better than Jeff Hardy, Randy Orton, Matt Hardy, Christian, Jericho, CM Punk or MVP?

If I was Vince, I'd have had Orton going over Taker this year. Taker/HBK will still be great in a year's time. Putting Orton over him atm would take him through the roof
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I'd like to see Christian win MITB and have him drafted to SmackDown! where he would eventually "feud" with Edge and win the World title at like, any pay-per-view at least 6 months removed from WM 25.
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We will definitely get Edge vs. Christian again at some point over the next few years
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Better than Jeff Hardy, Randy Orton, Matt Hardy, Christian, Jericho, CM Punk or MVP?

If I was Vince, I'd have had Orton going over Taker this year. Taker/HBK will still be great in a year's time. Putting Orton over him atm would take him through the roof
Jeff Hardy is one strike away from being released, and has already gone over The Undertaker before. Randy Orton and Taker have squared off at Mania before. If Orton was going to end the streak, he should have done it already. Matt Hardy is not someone that I think the WWE would ever let close to doing it. Christian doesn't need an achievement like that. Jericho would be awesome, but it's also something I can't see happening. CM Punk doesn't need it, and MVP just wouldn't fit, in my opinion.

It's not that I think Swagger is neccessarily better than those guys, but I think the guy that ends the streak should have a certain vibe to him. He should be a "threat" and not just "talented." A bigger guy with wrestling ability would be perfect. Swagger fits that mold.

Part of the big attraction to The Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels this year is that it's happening in Houston at the 25th WrestleMania. Yeah, Taker/Michaels will be great whenever, but those circumstances add to the magic.

I think 16 is an odd number to end the streak on, as well. I'd maybe have it end next year, with the slightly bigger number of 17.
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