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Old 03-07-2009, 09:03 PM   #241
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He may not be a "star" but Lee Evans is a fine receiver. He just needs a QB.
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When TO realizes Trent Edwards is far more inconsistent then any QB he's ever played with, he'll set the Buffalo organization back 3 to 4 years with his ego.
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When TO realizes Trent Edwards is far more inconsistent then any QB he's ever played with, he'll set the Buffalo organization back 3 to 4 years with his ego.
Probably not. 1 year, maybe, because that is all he will be here.

How is he going to set any team back 3-4 years? Kill all the players?

This Coaching staff is probably going to get fired next offseason regardless of TO. This team is probably going to get overhauled next offseason regardless of TO.

So basically you are just talking out of your ass, as usual.

I like you better when all you ever said was "Bob Sanders".
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Are you fucking nuts? TO will be a threat to any defense. Let's see how consistent Trent becomes not that Owens is fucking there...He'll make 'Romo' like improvent...bank on it.

I'm so sick of you twits bashing on TO! Have you ever thought that all he did was offer his honest opinion??? The problem with most prima donnas is that they don't like the truth. Charles Barkley had the same attitude, the world thinks he's fucking lovable. He doesn't devide a locker room, that isn't already divided! Garcia thought he was more of a star that he was, TO brought his ass back to earth. Owens was wrong for outing Garcia's love of tube steak, but its truth. Owens called McNabb out? If I remember correctly, the reporter shoved a fucking mic in front of TO and asked 'did you think Donovan could have done more to win?' and Owens spoke his mind. Fuck that, I want his 1200 yards, and 10 touchdowns. I want his swagger, I want his attitude. do you fuckers in San Fran, Dallas, and PHilly want a great friendly lockeroom or a goddamn championship??? For fuck fucking sakes, stop pampering the motherfuckers who have been costing you championships. TO is RIGHT! HE HAS BEEN RIGHT! and he will continue to put up numbers. Watch him infect Buffalo with a winner's mentality, Lord knows it hasn't been there since Jim Kelly had his last concussion... Watch TO out work Moss twice a year, and watch you all find a reason to call him a cancer.


God Dammit.
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Probably not. 1 year, maybe, because that is all he will be here.

How is he going to set any team back 3-4 years? Kill all the players?

This Coaching staff is probably going to get fired next offseason regardless of TO. This team is probably going to get overhauled next offseason regardless of TO.

So basically you are just talking out of your ass, as usual.

I like you better when all you ever said was "Bob Sanders".
See the Eagles.

Then talk.
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Are you fucking nuts? TO will be a threat to any defense. Let's see how consistent Trent becomes not that Owens is fucking there...He'll make 'Romo' like improvent...bank on it.

I'm so sick of you twits bashing on TO! Have you ever thought that all he did was offer his honest opinion??? The problem with most prima donnas is that they don't like the truth. Charles Barkley had the same attitude, the world thinks he's fucking lovable. He doesn't devide a locker room, that isn't already divided! Garcia thought he was more of a star that he was, TO brought his ass back to earth. Owens was wrong for outing Garcia's love of tube steak, but its truth. Owens called McNabb out? If I remember correctly, the reporter shoved a fucking mic in front of TO and asked 'did you think Donovan could have done more to win?' and Owens spoke his mind. Fuck that, I want his 1200 yards, and 10 touchdowns. I want his swagger, I want his attitude. do you fuckers in San Fran, Dallas, and PHilly want a great friendly lockeroom or a goddamn championship??? For fuck fucking sakes, stop pampering the motherfuckers who have been costing you championships. TO is RIGHT! HE HAS BEEN RIGHT! and he will continue to put up numbers. Watch him infect Buffalo with a winner's mentality, Lord knows it hasn't been there since Jim Kelly had his last concussion... Watch TO out work Moss twice a year, and watch you all find a reason to call him a cancer.


God Dammit.
I've never agreed with someone so much and disagreed with them so much at the same time. lol

I love T.O.

I think T.O. being a "cancer" (for Dallas atleast) has been VERY over-rated. People have an will continue to find reasons to call him a cancer, mainly fans of the other three AFC East teams.

But at the same time, I don't think he will be infecting any team with a "winners mentality". He didn't bring it to Dallas, a much more talented team on paper, I don't think he'll bring it to Buffalo. They will improve, yes. Simply based on his numbers. But the team mentality will not become championship level.
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Are you fucking nuts? TO will be a threat to any defense. Let's see how consistent Trent becomes not that Owens is fucking there...He'll make 'Romo' like improvent...bank on it.

I'm so sick of you twits bashing on TO! Have you ever thought that all he did was offer his honest opinion???
You are only kind of retarded. If this was Chad Johnson, I might let you slide...But this is a guy that pushed against the grain on three separate occasions. Which brings me to my next point...

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Charles Barkley had the same attitude, the world thinks he's fucking lovable.
Basketball is a 15 man sport. It's barely a team sport nowadays, and I actually will defend the NBA to death. Football is a TEAM sport, and Owens is the epitome of selfishness.

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He doesn't devide a locker room, that isn't already divided!
Are you high? I actually know some guys in the league, but I'm not gonna throw that around like it means anything. D-Nabb lost his locker room because these guys were forced to pick sides, Was the blame to lie partially on Donovan's shoulders? Absolutely... But that doesn't absolve some fucking asshat that has decided that he's bigger then the game. If it wasn't for Andy, Tre and John would have been outta of there a long time ago. McNabb is an arrogant ass, but that certainly doesn't make Owens in the right.

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the reporter shoved a fucking mic in front of TO and asked 'did you think Donovan could have done more to win?' and Owens spoke his mind.
Again, are you fucking high? For weeks Jeter has fielded questions about A-roid. His response...

No comment.

I know two words are confusing to jocks but...

While celebrities are under the microscope in the technology age, it's only magnified if that individual allows it. T.O doesn't only allow it, he feeds off that shit.

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Fuck that, I want his 1200 yards, and 10 touchdowns. I want his swagger, I want his attitude. do you fuckers in San Fran, Dallas, and PHilly want a great friendly locker room or a goddamn championship???
Firstly, u r retarder. T.O has as may championships as I do. Your entire argument is beyond terrible, but I'll face the actual bottom line...

"The Bills will be better"

You have no QB, your defense (which two years ago was solid) is suspect, and your line in dreadful. Now you have a receiver that drops more balls then he catches which might mean a damn if one of the best backs in the league doesn't get suspended for 6 games based on ridiculous decisions made in drunken moments.
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How can you people not comprehend with your tumor-inflicted brains that most of these offseason transactions that take place usually mean absolutely, positively nothing? All I am hearing is this continuous white noise about how getting some linebacker or some corner automatically makes some crappy team a playoff contender. It doesn't, and it never will. Any success that a team may have during the regular season is entirely circumstancial and cannot be measured by these free agent acquisitions.

People can never seem to figure that part out. The only difference on this board at least is that there seem to be a couple of new morons spewing out additional bullshit.
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I've never agreed with someone so much and disagreed with them so much at the same time. lol

I love T.O.

I think T.O. being a "cancer" (for Dallas atleast) has been VERY over-rated. People have an will continue to find reasons to call him a cancer, mainly fans of the other three AFC East teams.

But at the same time, I don't think he will be infecting any team with a "winners mentality". He didn't bring it to Dallas, a much more talented team on paper, I don't think he'll bring it to Buffalo. They will improve, yes. Simply based on his numbers. But the team mentality will not become championship level.
T.O. did all he could. THere was a reason that so many young guys loved him. Owens taught them how to work, and how to be a pro. As Sam Hurd, ask the cornerbacks. The older guys had to respect that. And amazingly enough, TO has been proven right in every statemet he's made...

The polish has come off every quarterback that the media has defended. I can understand how you could agree and disagree with me, as TO is very polarizing.

I think that If T.O had a quarterback that could deliver and relate to him, he'd be fine. He never had a problem with Steve Young. I think if he had a Brady, or Warner, he'd be ok.
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You are only kind of retarded. If this was Chad Johnson, I might let you slide...But this is a guy that pushed against the grain on three separate occasions. Which brings me to my next point...



Basketball is a 15 man sport. It's barely a team sport nowadays, and I actually will defend the NBA to death. Football is a TEAM sport, and Owens is the epitome of selfishness.



Are you high? I actually know some guys in the league, but I'm not gonna throw that around like it means anything. D-Nabb lost his locker room because these guys were forced to pick sides, Was the blame to lie partially on Donovan's shoulders? Absolutely... But that doesn't absolve some fucking asshat that has decided that he's bigger then the game. If it wasn't for Andy, Tre and John would have been outta of there a long time ago. McNabb is an arrogant ass, but that certainly doesn't make Owens in the right.



Again, are you fucking high? For weeks Jeter has fielded questions about A-roid. His response...

No comment.

I know two words are confusing to jocks but...

While celebrities are under the microscope in the technology age, it's only magnified if that individual allows it. T.O doesn't only allow it, he feeds off that shit.



Firstly, u r retarder. T.O has as may championships as I do. Your entire argument is beyond terrible, but I'll face the actual bottom line...

"The Bills will be better"

You have no QB, your defense (which two years ago was solid) is suspect, and your line in dreadful. Now you have a receiver that drops more balls then he catches which might mean a damn if one of the best backs in the league doesn't get suspended for 6 games based on ridiculous decisions made in drunken moments.
I'm retarded? You compared T.O. to Chad??? I'll gladly take Owens. How many Super Bowls have the Bengals been in? How many times have they threatened for AFC supremacy?(Ironically this point breaks my heart as I'm a Bengal fan ) Jeter doesn't make a statement on A-Roid, because he can't throw rocks in a glass house. Anything that Jeter says would be debunked if and when they release the other names on that report and HIS name is on there. T.O has as many championships as you do, but you also have as many as Donovan, Romo, and goddamn Garcia! That's my point dimwit. How many of his teams got the deal done after him? How many appearances have the Eagles and Niners made in the Super Bowl? Mark my words, The Cowboys will not make it to one anytime soon. Bank on that shit. So while your locker room is 'unified' and your superstars are safe, what fucking good has it done to the teams? You find it convienent to blame T.O. like the other mindless sheep. But when will you condemn the 52 people that have stayed? T.O. is the epitome of a wide receiver. Receivers are the epitome of selfishness...it is their nature! The only possible position that can counter the ego of a wide receiver is the cornerback. Football players are massive millionaires, and you're telling me that press statements do them in? what the fuck ever happend to 'sticks and stones'? Instead of getting on him for saying the shit, why not get on Romo for choking? Why not get on McNabb for buckling under pressure?

The 'terrible argument' that I made was only out done by your pathetic, opionated, sheepish retort.
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You are only kind of retarded. If this was Chad Johnson, I might let you slide...But this is a guy that pushed against the grain on three separate occasions. Which brings me to my next point...



Basketball is a 15 man sport. It's barely a team sport nowadays, and I actually will defend the NBA to death. Football is a TEAM sport, and Owens is the epitome of selfishness.



Are you high? I actually know some guys in the league, but I'm not gonna throw that around like it means anything. D-Nabb lost his locker room because these guys were forced to pick sides, Was the blame to lie partially on Donovan's shoulders? Absolutely... But that doesn't absolve some fucking asshat that has decided that he's bigger then the game. If it wasn't for Andy, Tre and John would have been outta of there a long time ago. McNabb is an arrogant ass, but that certainly doesn't make Owens in the right.



Again, are you fucking high? For weeks Jeter has fielded questions about A-roid. His response...

No comment.

I know two words are confusing to jocks but...

While celebrities are under the microscope in the technology age, it's only magnified if that individual allows it. T.O doesn't only allow it, he feeds off that shit.



Firstly, u r retarder. T.O has as may championships as I do. Your entire argument is beyond terrible, but I'll face the actual bottom line...

"The Bills will be better"

You have no QB, your defense (which two years ago was solid) is suspect, and your line in dreadful. Now you have a receiver that drops more balls then he catches which might mean a damn if one of the best backs in the league doesn't get suspended for 6 games based on ridiculous decisions made in drunken moments.

It is a 7-9 team filling a glaring hole. How does it not make them better. Contenders? No. But the 25th ranked offense in the league is going to greatly improve. Bump that offense with TO last year, and the Bills would have held the AFC East Crown.
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Ok. Ill take a Super Bowl Run.

Fucking idiot.
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Also, I love how "He is a cancer! He WILL RUIN THE WORLD AGROGSJFSJIFJKSD"

This is a one year fucking deal. Even TO cant "RUIN" a franchise that quick.

I bet had he signed in NY, NE or Indy, you all would be sucking on his big black dick. You would be praising him, and how Manning, Bellichek, parcels Etc would be keeping him in line and it was a great move.


The Bills dropped 6.5 million, and they are now the center of the NFL universe. They are going to make a ton of money regardless of how this works out.
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Fucking idiot.
Do you credit that run for saving McNabb's job? I thought Reid, McNabb, and company would be disbanded if they didn't go really deep in the playoffs.
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Really Deep? They had just gone to like 4 NFC title games.
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How can you people not comprehend with your tumor-inflicted brains that most of these offseason transactions that take place usually mean absolutely, positively nothing? All I am hearing is this continuous white noise about how getting some linebacker or some corner automatically makes some crappy team a playoff contender. It doesn't, and it never will. Any success that a team may have during the regular season is entirely circumstancial and cannot be measured by these free agent acquisitions.

People can never seem to figure that part out. The only difference on this board at least is that there seem to be a couple of new morons spewing out additional bullshit.
This is the lure of the NFL...What island have you been on? This is when fans can look at a trade, or signing and fucking speculate!!! This is when hope springs eternal, and has us glued for the Draft, then Training Camp, and then the season!!! You're calling the FANS of the NFL morons, but how absolutely stupid do you come across trouncing in here and trying to shit in everybodies cereal???
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Really Deep? They had just gone to like 4 NFC title games.
Right, but there were grumblings in Philly man...Eagles fans had been booing Donovan out of the stadium, and calling for changes. I know their history,as I followed them when they had T.O. My best friend and his family are all Eagle fans. They'd been to 5 in 8 years right?
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T.O. doesn't even post here, and he's tearing the board apart.

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How can you people not comprehend with your tumor-inflicted brains that most of these offseason transactions that take place usually mean absolutely, positively nothing? All I am hearing is this continuous white noise about how getting some linebacker or some corner automatically makes some crappy team a playoff contender. It doesn't, and it never will. Any success that a team may have during the regular season is entirely circumstancial and cannot be measured by these free agent acquisitions.
This.

Out of all the major sports, the NFL free agency period is the most pointless. You don't build successful teams in the NFL through big name free agents -- it's how you get yourself into Salary Cap Hell. Individual players, even the best ones, aren't going to improve a team that much. Most NFL free agents are free agents for a reason -- they're either role players, washed up veterans trying to earn another paycheck, guys with serious red flags (injuries/criminal/psychological), or guys who are just about ready to start declining (and most NFL teams are very good at figuring out when to let someone go).

For the most part, good NFL teams don't go on a New York Yankees-like free agent binge. They build through the draft, pick up role players to fill holes, and figure out a system that works with the players they have. Who's more likely to stay with their new team longer, Albert Haynesworth or someone like Michael Boley?
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Who said you build a team through Free Agency? You dont do that in any sport.

You get improvements and missing pieces through free agency.

You can find that one thing you are missing.

So what exactly is your point?
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T.O. did all he could. THere was a reason that so many young guys loved him. Owens taught them how to work, and how to be a pro. As Sam Hurd, ask the cornerbacks. The older guys had to respect that. And amazingly enough, TO has been proven right in every statemet he's made...

The polish has come off every quarterback that the media has defended. I can understand how you could agree and disagree with me, as TO is very polarizing.

I think that If T.O had a quarterback that could deliver and relate to him, he'd be fine. He never had a problem with Steve Young. I think if he had a Brady, or Warner, he'd be ok.
If he had a Brady or a Warner throwing to him, someone who has undenaibly achieved things TO has yet to achieve, I agree that it would be much MUCH more difficult for people to find something to nitpick about him. That's kinda the problem here.

Like I said, I like T.O. But I will disagree with you on the fact that he has been proven right on every statement he has made.

I don't find him to be any more selfish than most players in the league. He wants to help his team win and if his team doesn't win, he does tend to become frustrated and find a way to make excuses.

I'll bring up the example of the first Washington game last year which Dallas lost. After the game, T.O. made a big deal about not getting enough balls thrown his way... it was the most targets he ever had as a Dallas Cowboy.
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#1, after re-reading my anger filled rant, I should offer this. I agree with your statement about needing more targets. That was funny, but what else would you want your receiver to say? As far as dropped passes, I would attribute this stat to the whole Babe Ruth strike out analogy.


I understand that he makes statements that seem outlandish. I will counter your example in washington with one of my own.




Does this look like a Team Obliterator??? Does Owens get credit for this statement? nope, he gets blasted and is labeled as fake...This is what angers me. The media paints T.O. as a heel, and they'll never credit him for the good he did for Romo and the Boys.
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good move by Buffalo, if he acts up you suspended him or cut him.

The upside is huge, the AFC East is riddled with small DB's... and putting TO across from Evans makes Evans better.

Everyone thought Moss was a cancer... we'll see about TO.

huge upside, small downside, good move.
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good move by Buffalo, if he acts up you suspended him or cut him.

The upside is huge, the AFC East is riddled with small DB's... and putting TO across from Evans makes Evans better.

Everyone thought Moss was a cancer... we'll see about TO.

huge upside, small downside, good move.
Umm, you realize that Moss was only ever really a problem in Oakland. T.O has been a cancer for every team he's played.

I mean, he WANTED to be in Dallas, and look at how he behaved. He's a whiner, needs to be thrown to a certain number of times a game, and if he isn't, bitches about it. I liked him at first in Dallas, but the guy isn't a winner.
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Also, who the fuck is going to get TO the ball in Buffalo? Are they planning on signing or drafting a real QB?
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To be completely honest I don't see TO on the Bills as putting them over the hump. They will probably be a better offense in terms of production, but I'd still think they would be one and done in the playoffs.

I agree with DrA though, FA is so overblown. I like to see my favorite team add depth but if you're looking in FA for starters then thats a problem. Rarely can a player go in as a big name, be a starter and be that mythical missing piece.
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I dunno about the whole TO thing. I mean yeah the guy's a douchebag but even douchebags can clean up their act. Plus he chose to go to Buffalo. And it's not like the allure of the city or the history of the franchise was a draw so obviously he thought there was something that he wanted to be a part of.
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I dunno about the whole TO thing. I mean yeah the guy's a douchebag but even douchebags can clean up their act. Plus he chose to go to Buffalo. And it's not like the allure of the city or the history of the franchise was a draw so obviously he thought there was something that he wanted to be a part of.
That sounds good, but I think the only thing he wanted to be a part of was a team that was paying hiim a wage.
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I have a strange feeling that TO is going to turn it all around in Buf. Just like Moss went to the Pats.
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I have a strange feeling that you're high! T.O. is in a contract year, he will ball out, and cash in next year.
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Jaguars sign Tra Thomas to strengthen the line, but who knows how much he has left.

And Matt Jones is in jail again. Week-long sentence after admitting to police he was drinking while playing golf, which was a violation of the plea deal he copped last year when he got busted cutting lines of coke in his car. Some people are just born fuck ups.
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I have a strange feeling that you're high! T.O. is in a contract year, he will ball out, and cash in next year.
Completely agree. Then he will turn into his old self, but this year, he is going nuts.
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