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Old 03-11-2009, 06:32 PM   #1
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Telling us what to think (Benoit)?
Maybe it's just because I was/am still (Despite the f'd up end.) a complete Benoit mark but....

Do you think its right for WWE to chage history and erase Benoit completely?
I dont agree with it, and here is why.
Double murder suicide aside, Benoit was one of the best in ring performers ever, not just in WWE, but in all of pro wrestling.
Now WWE wont acknowledge he ever even existed (Minus his place in the title history.)
This brings me to my point. Do you think its right for WWE to tell us what to think, or remember?
A few years from now there will be wrestling fans, and new wrestlers, that never knew who Benoit was. Yeah what he did was wrong, and hes a bit of a black eye. But that don't give WWE the right to tell us what we can and cant remember, by erasing Benoit from history.
I take it as offensive that WWE thinks it's fans are stupid and wont notice him being erased.
I understand why they are doing it, but I think it would be just as ease for them to not talk about what happened to him in the end, and leave his history be.

What do you think? Discuss.

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Old 03-11-2009, 06:35 PM   #2
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Are you serious with this thread?
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Good wrestling matches > human life and morals, to some people.

I personally have no use for him anymore. I can't get past that. I think erasing him is right, because in an industry where legacy and respect is the only tangible accomplishment, he threw his away.
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Old 03-11-2009, 06:40 PM   #4
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I don't think it has to do with the fans but the public in general. I think the WWE thinks that if they acknowledge him at all the general public will continue to see wrestling as roided up freaks in a carnival. You may think who cares what the general public thinks but sponsorship plays a huge role.

It will take time, a long time but eventually Chris Benoit will at least be mentioned again. He will never be hall of fame or even celebrated in any way. He will just be mentioned in passing. Is it right? I guess it depends if you think of Chris as a great wrestler or a family murderer. I think of him as a wrestler.

Is there any other instance of something even close to this that has happened in sports that we could use to compare how it was handled? I can't think of anything.
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He killed his 7 year old son. If you haven't let that shink in, just give it a moment right now.

But he had good matches? Who cares.
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I'm not sure to take you serious because you end your post with a joke. Plus I just finished cussing out 1 noob, I don't think I need to do it again, but I will.
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Old 03-11-2009, 06:43 PM   #7
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He killed his 7 year old son. If you haven't let that shink in, just give it a moment right now.

But he had good matches? Who cares.
He didn't that good of matches. He had a good match he wrestled for most of his career.
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Old 03-11-2009, 06:44 PM   #8
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Is there any other instance of something even close to this that has happened in sports that we could use to compare how it was handled? I can't think of anything.
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Either way it doesn't matter anymore
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Old 03-11-2009, 06:46 PM   #10
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Do people care if serial killers are good at their jobs? I'm sure some of the most reprehensible people of all time were great at their job.
"Yea he killed a bunch of people, but he was a great sales rep. We should keep talking about all those sales."
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Old 03-11-2009, 06:47 PM   #11
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I dunno, a lot of wrestlers have said that they will remember Chris Benoit for who he was in the ring and not what he did outside of the ring. I tend to agree. Benoit will always be a scumbag for what he did to his family, but I have no problem watching his matches and still being entertained.

I do agree however, that he probably shouldn't be mentioned on WWE anymore though.
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Are you serious with this thread?
Yes, I don't like being told what I can and can't know about. As a free person we all have the right to free knowledge. I don't thinks it's WWE's choice to make for us. Let people make up there own minds about what they think, remember, or know.
I mark out every time Shawn dose the Crippler Crossface now, because it's like a big middle finger to Vice saying, "Yeah I remember Benoit, so what you going to do about it."
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Personally I think it's placing an unhealthy importance on wrestling matches, and not any standard of life. At the end of the day, those matches are two guys giving eachother moves and a job. His family was his family, and it was a woman and 7 year old child. It was human life. That's my take.
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Old 03-11-2009, 06:50 PM   #14
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From a business point a view, as a publicly traded company, it is absolutely the right move for the WWE to disassociate themselves from Benoit in every way they can. Enjoying Benoit's matches are one thing, but from an outsider's perspective, for the company to promote anything having to do with the man who murdered his wife and child and then killed himself would just be another black eye on an already questionable industry. Maybe you can still enjoy Benoit matches and forget about what happened afterwards, but a lot of people cannot. It would be like a museum hanging up the collected works of Hitler right after WWII.

Really, there is nothing to be gained by remembering Benoit or his storylines at this point "officially" by the WWE, but there is a whole lot to be lost in terms of offending viewers. I absolutely think they have made the right call.

I don't think the WWE thinks fans are stupid, nor do I think it will be only a few years before fans or other wrestlers especially forget who Benoit was. It's just something that as a company they can't talk about.
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My honest question is this...

To those who defend his legacy, or choose to look the other way (there's a bunch of you)...
Are you doing it because that is honestly how you feel about situations like this, and it is your honest standard? Or are you doing it because you really liked his matches and moments, and are rationalizing a way to keep them dear?
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Yes, I don't like being told what I can and can't know about. As a free person we all have the right to free knowledge. I don't thinks it's WWE's choice to make for us. Let people make up there own minds about what they think, remember, or know.
I mark out every time Shawn dose the Crippler Crossface now, because it's like a big middle finger to Vice saying, "Yeah I remember Benoit, so what you going to do about it."
The WWE isn't preventing you from logging on to wikipedia and learning about anything you want to know Benoit related.
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Old 03-11-2009, 06:58 PM   #18
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Don't fucking argue with this douche. Just ignore him.
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Fuck Benoit.

They should just pipe in fake heat in all his matches. Make him a heel.
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Cause lord knows even when he was suppose to get heat he needed it piped in. Boring dead bastard.
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:00 PM   #21
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My honest question is this...

To those who defend his legacy, or choose to look the other way (there's a bunch of you)...
Are you doing it because that is honestly how you feel about situations like this, and it is your honest standard? Or are you doing it because you really liked his matches and moments, and are rationalizing a way to keep them dear?
No, I was appalled by what happened. It's obvious that Benoit had some serious problems and it's sad that he wasn't able to get help for them in time. It's a sad sad story.
I'm not sympathetic for Benoit, or trying to pass blame. He's a horrible person for what he did.
But I have worked through it, and moved on, so I don't mind watching the occasional Benoit match and admiring the talent.
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That's fine. But don't you realize it would probably be more damaging to the WWE to "celebrate his legacy" and "admire his talent" by ever doing anything to acknowledge him publicly?
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Don't fucking argue with this douche. Just ignore him.
Cause cursing and calling people names always makes you right. Very mature BDC.
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No, I was appalled by what happened. But I'm a shit eating bastard that likes to fuck my own mother.
I'm not sympathetic for Benoit, or trying to pass blame. He's a horrible person for what he did.
But I have worked through it, and moved on, so I don't mind watching the occasional Benoit match and admiring the talent. I rape puppies before I stomp their brains out.
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Cause cursing and calling people names always makes you right. Very mature BDC.
Yeah, taking the side of murders over "evil corporations" does.

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Also it is totally cool to joke about him murdering his family because he was a good carny. They totally should have tapped, then all of them would be alive. lololololol

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Old 03-11-2009, 07:10 PM   #28
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I'm not saying they have to acknowledge him in any way. Just leave his matches and performances alone, it's so annoying to be watching 24/7 and see a chunk of match cut out because of a Benoit run in.
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Then why don't you fucking write WWE says, "Hey I'm tired of you cutting out Chris Benoit from 24/7. He didn't mean to tarnish his image by murdering his family and killing himself." Why don't you bitch to them instead of us. We can't do shit but call you a faggot.
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:13 PM   #30
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But you don't get it BDC. His suplexes and chops were great, so we're not supposed to care that he killed a child.
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:14 PM   #31
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Get the fuck out here.
What are you 14? You cant stand someone with a different opinion so you throw a tantrum. Grow up.
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But you don't get it BDC. His suplexes and chops were great, so we're not supposed to care that he killed a child.
Oh, so should we joke that he used those very wrestling moves to kill his own son? We should make him into some sort of saint of killing childern?
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:15 PM   #33
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What are you 14? You cant stand someone with a different opinion so you throw a tantrum. Grow up.
What are you 14? You value some fucking fake wrestling match more than 2 human lives?
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He put his autistic kid in a crippler crossface. This is fact.
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Then why don't you fucking write WWE says, "Hey I'm tired of you cutting out Chris Benoit from 24/7. He didn't mean to tarnish his image by murdering his family and killing himself." Why don't you bitch to them instead of us. We can't do shit but call you a faggot.
I'm not bitching, I'm just discussing it. You are the one freaking out. If you don't like the conversation than don't be part of it.
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I'm not bitching, I'm just discussing it. You are the one freaking out. If you don't like the conversation than don't be part of it.
Oh, so you are trying to discuss that wrestling matches are more important that human lives? That Chris Benoit is some sort of saint and WWE is in the wrong for purposely not assocating themselves with a murderer?
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