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Old 03-11-2009, 07:20 PM   #41
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What are you 14? You value some fucking fake wrestling match more than 2 human lives?
I know the value of human life. I did two deployments, putting my life on the line, seeing some of my friends die, to defend yours and my freedoms of free speech and equality.
No I don't value wrestling over human life. But Overall I don't care enough about wrestling to be offended every time Benoit is shown. I know what he did, I know it was bad. I don't blame WWE for it. It's his fault for what happened, and his blame.
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:22 PM   #42
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Oh, hey everyone, Sidra is a war vet. That means he is right. Double Murder Suicide aside, benoit is a fucking hero.

Hanso did to deployments to defend my freedoms. Not you.
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:22 PM   #43
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erasing him isn't right..... alot of people have emotional problems, his were just taken too far....for those who find his actions offensive, they should boycott WWE all together and leave those who respect him as an athlete o continue to watch his past matches.
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:25 PM   #44
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People who can't get over WWE taking him out of the history books have emotional problems. It is a fake fucking sport. He never accomplished anything real, double murder suicide aside.
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:25 PM   #45
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I love how soft society has gotten. Murder is okay if you have emotional problems
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:28 PM   #46
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Double Murder Suicide aside, benoit is a fucking hero.
I don't think Benoit is a hero. Hes a murder, period. I'm not excusing that. I just don't blame WWE, or expect them to censor Benoit for me. Like I said, I've dealt with it, and moved on.
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I love how soft society has gotten. Murder is okay if you have emotional problems
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:30 PM   #48
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I don't think Benoit is a hero. Hes a murder, period. I'm not excusing that. I just don't blame WWE, or expect them to censor Benoit for me. Like I said, I've dealt with it, and moved on.
They aren't doing it for you, douche. They are doing it for them. They don't want to be assocated with a child killer.
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:31 PM   #49
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You don't applaud the WWE for not trying to make a buck off of Benoit's name? It's like the one thing you can't get on WWEShop.com.
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So, Sidra, how many childern did you put in a crippler crossface when you were protecting my freedom to make fun of you?
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:33 PM   #51
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They are doing it for them. They don't want to be assocated with a child killer.
Alright, and that's a gr8 point. But I don't appreciate being called names. I look at this as a discussion, not a declaration of war.
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:33 PM   #52
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You don't applaud the WWE for not trying to make a buck off of Benoit's name? It's like the one thing you can't get on WWEShop.com.
I'm still waiting on my Chris Benoit christmas ornament set. 6-8 weeks my ass
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:35 PM   #53
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So, Sidra, how many childern did you put in a crippler crossface when you were protecting my freedom to make fun of you?
There is nothing funny about killing a child. But when they are pointing an RPG7 at you and your company, you have no choice. It's a sad thing to see, and a regret I have to live with, not you.
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:35 PM   #54
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lol I like how SIDRA got buried here for basically having a difference of opinion (as unfounded as the opinion may be)
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Alright, and that's a gr8 point. But I don't appreciate being called names. I look at this as a discussion, not a declaration of war.
I don't give a fuck what you appreciate. You appreciate the work of a child murderer, so you opinion is kinda moot.
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lol I like how SIDRA got buried here for basically having a difference of opinion (as unfounded as the opinion may be)
I think we just disagreed. It wasn't really an overboard "shut up Sidra" burial
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:39 PM   #57
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i watched a chris benoit match the other day. it was weird. i'm not sure how i feel about it. maybe i'll watch one more and get back to you.
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:40 PM   #58
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lol I like how SIDRA got buried here for basically having a difference of opinion (as unfounded as the opinion may be)
I'm not after him for a difference of opinion. I'm after him because he ends his first rambling post with a joke about killing women and children.
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:43 PM   #59
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I'm not after him for a difference of opinion. I'm after him because he ends his first rambling post with a joke about killing women and children.
Alright maybe that was a bad joke, I was trying to break the ice on the situation. If that is what is upsetting you, I am sorry.
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Not to mention that outside of murdering his own family, Chris Benoit's hobbies included wife beating, stealing wives, drug dealing and being a locker room bully. So if you ingore that, he was a pretty good guy.
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Not to mention that outside of murdering his own family, Chris Benoit's hobbies included wife beating, stealing wives, drug dealing and being a locker room bully. So if you ingore that, he was a pretty good guy.
If you listen to half the info thrown around about wrestlers these days and in the past twenty years you just listed what seem to be pro wrestling pass times for everyone.

The only one that the majority dont seem to indulge in is Murder (unless your last name is Snuka).

Not defending Benoit, what he did was fucked and unforgivable but funnily enough Snuka is still a legend.
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If you listen to half the info thrown around about wrestlers these days and in the past twenty years you just listed what seem to be pro wrestling pass times for everyone.

The only one that the majority dont seem to indulge in is Murder (unless your last name is Snuka).

Not defending Benoit, what he did was fucked and unforgivable but funnily enough Snuka is still a legend.
Oh, I know this. But lots of people seem to like saying "Double murder suicide aside" Benoit was a saint. He was just one of many scum bags in wrestling. There are some guys who are actually class acts or faitly noble.
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He killed his 7 year old son. If you haven't let that shink in, just give it a moment right now.

But he had good matches? Who cares.
What he did doesn't mean he was bad at his job Jerry.
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Not to mention that outside of murdering his own family, Chris Benoit's hobbies included wife beating, stealing wives, drug dealing and being a locker room bully. So if you ingore that, he was a pretty good guy.
And none of this have anything to do with his job...
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Is there any other instance of something even close to this that has happened in sports that we could use to compare how it was handled? I can't think of anything.

i'm not sure but what about the Lex Luger and Miss Elizabeth situation i know its different but thats all i could think about. which probably won't work in the same way but i'm just throwing it out there

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yes! a hitler/benoit comparison! this thread is just delving into all of the deep issues!
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Old 03-11-2009, 09:37 PM   #72
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you have to match absurd with absurd. I dont see why so many people want him to be remembered for everything BUT his final couple of does and are so adamant to have this travesty constantly reminded to us when such bullshit as Randy Savage are still held down as if they never existed, let alone the horse crap that was the Ultimate Warrior DVD.
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Old 03-11-2009, 09:38 PM   #73
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Not to mention that outside of murdering his own family, Chris Benoit's hobbies included wife beating, stealing wives, drug dealing and being a locker room bully. So if you ingore that, he was a pretty good guy.
But he was humble and kept to himself. I read it on the internet.

No, but seriously, I don't blame WWE for removing him. At a point where they were looking liable for his condition, and thus indirectly his actions, they made a decision to not associate with him. As a business, they kind of had to, because WWE: Smackdown your family! ain't gonna go over well.

Completely removing him is kind of retarded, but they were likely covering their bases.
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Old 03-11-2009, 09:40 PM   #74
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i will always remember his final couple of does
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And none of this have anything to do with his job...
He was boring at his job, then he murdered his family. There, you happy now.
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My honest question is this...

To those who defend his legacy, or choose to look the other way (there's a bunch of you)...
Are you doing it because that is honestly how you feel about situations like this, and it is your honest standard? Or are you doing it because you really liked his matches and moments, and are rationalizing a way to keep them dear?
I honestly believe that people cannot be labelled as "evil" so easily as some have labelled Chris Benoit. The man's actions were sick, and horrible. No one is going to dispute that, and there should always be a "but" added onto his legacy, to remind people of the darkness outside of the ring.

Is Chris Benoit a "hero?" Fuck no. Is Chris Benoit a great wrestler? Yes. You are allowed to distinguish between the two.

Also, promoting Chris Benoit might not be the best idea in the world, and I'd be careful where he is mentioned, but erasing him from title histories and the like is just immature, and makes the company look more guilty than anything.
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Oh, I know this. But lots of people seem to like saying "Double murder suicide aside" Benoit was a saint. He was just one of many scum bags in wrestling. There are some guys who are actually class acts or faitly noble.
Agreed.

That said I was a HUGE Benoit mark, I still own his DVD, it sits right up there on my shelf with Eddies. I used to watch it at least monthly.

Since all this I cant say I have ever been able to pop it into my DVD player.

I dont know if what he did should cancel out what he did in life, I cant speak for everyone elses opinion but to me I dont think I can sit down and enjoy any of his work ever again because anytime I think about it how his and his familys lives ended springs to mind and that just destroys it for me.

As for the WWE position, they did what they had to as a business with there head looking like being on the chopping block for his actions. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesnt really understand how business works IMO.
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