There's now Three National Promotions

**Krimzon7** · 04-04-2009, 04:01 PM

Alright guys, We've been privy to watch Two weeks of ROH shows so far (Thanks Destor, K4L!) This brings us to an interesting conundrum. Does the quality of the production and workrate automatically make ROH the number two promotion? What do you guys think the direction will be for TNA now? Do you think Vinny Mac even notices this blip on the radar?

Discuss.

And don't fuck my thread up with this _____86 shit!:foc:

**HeartBreakMan2k** · 04-04-2009, 04:02 PM

No because ROH still isn't a national promotion in my opinion and their production values aren't even as good as TNA.

**Xerzes** · 04-04-2009, 04:13 PM

Vince McMahon has probably never heard of ROH. And the ROH thread mentioned a distinct chance that HDNet will get dropped. So..not really, no. Bad luck for ROH.

**Kane86** · 04-04-2009, 04:16 PM

Give them a year and time to move to a different channel. Almost nobody has HDnet or maybe this is what they needed in order for more people to order it.

**Kane86** · 04-04-2009, 04:17 PM

Oh yeah as for the direction of TNA would be to stop sucking ass and distinguish them from the pack.

**Krimzon7** · 04-04-2009, 04:18 PM

What would make them a National promotion IYO? their production value is pretty damn good for their second show. Where do you see room for improvement?

**Krimzon7** · 04-04-2009, 04:21 PM

HDNet may be getting dropped by Time Warner, They're pretty decent with the satelite providers, and Comcast. I can see them making some headway with their current deal. But hey, for argument's sake, what if they get dropped? What would the next steps be IF they get dropped? I would mark out if ESPN/ABC picked them up.

**Kane Knight** · 04-04-2009, 04:23 PM

TNA and WWE are shown nation wide. The "national" contract ROH has is hardly national.

So TNA is still the #2 national promotion, if only because ROH hasn't expanded far enough yet. Production value isn't an issue in whether or not it's national.

**What Would Kevin Do?** · 04-04-2009, 04:25 PM

ROH isn't getting dropped, HDNet is, from Time Warner... As long as HDNet is still in business, ROH has an outlet for it's stuff... Especially since HDNet is letting the shows be posted on Youtube. While it may not be the most ideal setup, right now ROH is more accessible to people than it's ever been. With that said, it's still number 3, and has a long, long, long way to go before taking over TNA (not in quality obviously, but in a fanbase)

**Kane86** · 04-04-2009, 04:26 PM

I doubt there getting dropped. I know more people are asking to get HDnet because of this company specifically. Noone said it was going to be easy getting to the top. But in 1 year I can see this being number 2. Thats if TNA does not step it up and quit making a 2 hour skit show. Because afte 07 TNA really started shitting on themselves does anyone know who is on creative? I have heard Disco Inferno is on there.

**What Would Kevin Do?** · 04-04-2009, 04:38 PM

ROH can't take over the number two spot on HDNet. HDNet is not a common channel. It's a specialty channel that's only in HD, and a lot of providers don't have... SPike is more or less basic cable. If ROH is going to ever be number 2, they need a spot on a more legit channel. A legit channel will cost them money, where HDNet is essentially the sweetest possible deal they could get ( I believe HdNet and ROH are just splitting profits, and ROH isn't being charged shit for the cameras, production, whatnot._)

**IC Champion** · 04-04-2009, 04:40 PM

I barely consider there are 2 major promotions.

**Kane86** · 04-04-2009, 05:24 PM

Yeah but the demand for HDnet is going to be higher. Providing the customers TV can support it.

**KayfabeMan** · 04-04-2009, 05:55 PM

I should write a letter to HDNet about all of this. Give me their address

**KayfabeMan** · 04-04-2009, 05:58 PM

But seriously, I think right now only WWE and TNA are the national promotions - if you will. ROH has made great strides, but has a long way to go. Obviously McMahon knows about ROH, and I am sure - no matter what he says - he has seen their product. I honestly think that he doesn't really give a shit what they do, as 'competition' is a word he hasn't heard in going on 8 years now.

**Kane86** · 04-04-2009, 06:00 PM

Even when ECW had a TV deal there were still Indy in a lot of ways. ROH is still Indy in a lot of ways. TNA talent has to stoop tothe low of still wrestling in high school gyms and armories when not on TV. Roh is still the same way as well. While WWE can at least pay there big name guys comfortablySo in a way TNA and ROH are still at the indy level thats just my input.

**Kane86** · 04-04-2009, 06:03 PM

McMahon in my opinion still thinks he has no competition because his head is so swollen after the buyout. That he thinks is product is the only product. Thats why it has started to sour over ther years.

**FourFifty** · 04-04-2009, 06:05 PM

You could tell Vince the world is on fire and he won't believe you until his pants are on fire.

**Kane86** · 04-04-2009, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FourFifty

You could tell Vince the world is on fire and he won't believe you until his pants are on fire.

I still don't think he would believe it. He would just look down and tell you NO shit. You know like that time he told his daughter that on national tv.

**KayfabeMan** · 04-04-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane86

McMahon in my opinion still thinks he has no competition because his head is so swollen after the buyout. That he thinks is product is the only product. Thats why it has started to sour over ther years.

**Krimzon7** · 04-04-2009, 06:22 PM

McMahon couldn't be that stupid. Even if he is, the board of directors can't be, can they?

**Kane86** · 04-04-2009, 06:54 PM

Additude era compared to now. The product now is complete bullshit.

Hell even the golden years were way better then the shit they are feeding us now.

**Droford** · 04-04-2009, 06:56 PM

Mark Cuban needs to buy ROH.

Vince would notice ROH then, when its run by a guy with more money than he has and probably more famous.

**Kane86** · 04-04-2009, 06:58 PM

Who is Mark Cuban? I'm being serious

**Droford** · 04-04-2009, 08:18 PM

He's a legit billionaire who owns the NBA's Dallas Mavericks as well as HDNet. He was in talks with Vince and Co to fund a MMA Promotion that would compete with UFC but it never happened, though he does run his own smaller MMA promotion.

**St. Jimmy** · 04-04-2009, 08:49 PM

HDnet won't make it another year. ROH on HDnet is ECW on TNN. You can hear the toliet flushing in the distance.

**Juan** · 04-04-2009, 08:50 PM

ROH is #2 in my heart

**What Would Kevin Do?** · 04-04-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by St. Jimmy

HDnet won't make it another year. ROH on HDnet is ECW on TNN. You can hear the toliet flushing in the distance.

Not really, since the TNN deal sapped a ton of money out of ECW, where the HDNet deal isn't sucking money out of ROH. It cost ECW a lot of money to be on TNN, and it's not costing ROH much at all to be on HDNet.

**Fox** · 04-04-2009, 10:23 PM

I have not watched the youtube videos of the shows, but when I think of ROH I see a static, one-camera production, like when me and my friends used to wrestle on my trampoline and didn't have a cameraman, so we'd just put the camcorder on the deck and shoot the match that way.

I'm sure it's not that bad, but I really don't think of ROH as a "third national promotion" yet. Do they even travel out of state?

**What Would Kevin Do?** · 04-05-2009, 01:13 AM

Seriously? They've run and run shows in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Illinois, Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Texas, Minnesota, etc, etc. They run shows in Canada, Japan, and England. They're not some small indy fed with static camera that happened to get on tv.

**Destor** · 04-05-2009, 03:03 AM

RoH is national. If anyone doesn't think they are they're only jadded by the reach of the WWE.

**St. Jimmy** · 04-05-2009, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do?

Not really, since the TNN deal sapped a ton of money out of ECW, where the HDNet deal isn't sucking money out of ROH. It cost ECW a lot of money to be on TNN, and it's not costing ROH much at all to be on HDNet.

I meant that it won't do a hell of a lot to up it's exposure and will fold after being a lack-luster go.

**Volare** · 04-05-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Destor

RoH is national. If anyone doesn't think they are, then your retarded.

**Kane Knight** · 04-05-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Kane86

Yeah but the demand for HDnet is going to be higher. Providing the customers TV can support it.

I want it to be true; it will become true.

**Volare** · 04-05-2009, 09:31 AM

If KK says it...then based on his track record of calling things, I must agree.

**Kane Knight** · 04-05-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by St. Jimmy

HDnet won't make it another year. ROH on HDnet is ECW on TNN. You can hear the toliet flushing in the distance.

Maybe; maybe not.

The biggest obstacle for ROH is that they're on a specialty network that's not widely carried. ECW had a host of problems, whereas ROH only has one. Now, HDNET may tank, but that doesn't mean ROH will. It also isn't really a guarantee, though it's possible. I mean, Comcast announced a partnership with HDNET a year ago, and barely has any presence in Comcast terriroties right now. And that's the major network that's not dropping them.

Add to that that HD programming is unavailable to most, that even before the issue of the provider, HDTV sets are still a tiny fraction of the market, things get harder for the network, and ROH's exposure via it by extension.

That's not the end to ROH, though. Even if HDNET goes down, ROH is going to be around for quite some time. They're not ECW and this is not TNN all over again.

**The Mackem** · 04-06-2009, 05:23 AM

Very impressed with their TV product. I think the good thing with ROH is that they could take a step back from HDNet and then move to another channel much like what TNA did between Fox Sports and Spike.

They are running their operation very well and given more time and a better TV deal you can only see them pushing forward. If they are not at National level yet they are very close to breaking through.

**Mr. Nerfect** · 04-06-2009, 08:16 AM

KK has it pretty right.

**Chavo Classic** · 04-06-2009, 08:27 AM

Ironically, the best indicator of which National promotion is best is to look at the international picture. It seems safe to assume that since TNA is broadcast all over the world on a variety of channels and languages, and ROH is not, that the former is the biggest. I think I realised TNA was finally getting momentum the moment I saw Impact, dubbed into Hindi, in a Mumbai hotel room.

In this respect, ROH has a hell of a lot of ground to make up.

04-04-2009, 06:00 PM	#16
Kane86 Got fired by the Clique Posts: 3,206	Even when ECW had a TV deal there were still Indy in a lot of ways. ROH is still Indy in a lot of ways. TNA talent has to stoop tothe low of still wrestling in high school gyms and armories when not on TV. Roh is still the same way as well. While WWE can at least pay there big name guys comfortablySo in a way TNA and ROH are still at the indy level thats just my input. Last edited by Kane86; 04-04-2009 at 06:03 PM.

04-04-2009, 08:18 PM	#25
Droford Posts: 52,478	He's a legit billionaire who owns the NBA's Dallas Mavericks as well as HDNet. He was in talks with Vince and Co to fund a MMA Promotion that would compete with UFC but it never happened, though he does run his own smaller MMA promotion. Last edited by Droford; 04-04-2009 at 08:21 PM.

04-04-2009, 04:02 PM	#2
HeartBreakMan2k Franchise of TPWW Posts: 15,458	No because ROH still isn't a national promotion in my opinion and their production values aren't even as good as TNA.

04-04-2009, 04:13 PM	#3
Xerzes Robo Speedly Force Posts: 2,003	Vince McMahon has probably never heard of ROH. And the ROH thread mentioned a distinct chance that HDNet will get dropped. So..not really, no. Bad luck for ROH.

04-04-2009, 04:16 PM	#4
Kane86 Got fired by the Clique Posts: 3,206	Give them a year and time to move to a different channel. Almost nobody has HDnet or maybe this is what they needed in order for more people to order it.

04-04-2009, 04:17 PM	#5
Kane86 Got fired by the Clique Posts: 3,206	Oh yeah as for the direction of TNA would be to stop sucking ass and distinguish them from the pack.

04-04-2009, 04:18 PM	#6
Krimzon7 King of the Ring Posts: 8,848	What would make them a National promotion IYO? their production value is pretty damn good for their second show. Where do you see room for improvement?

04-04-2009, 04:21 PM	#7
Krimzon7 King of the Ring Posts: 8,848	HDNet may be getting dropped by Time Warner, They're pretty decent with the satelite providers, and Comcast. I can see them making some headway with their current deal. But hey, for argument's sake, what if they get dropped? What would the next steps be IF they get dropped? I would mark out if ESPN/ABC picked them up.

04-04-2009, 04:23 PM	#8
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467	TNA and WWE are shown nation wide. The "national" contract ROH has is hardly national. So TNA is still the #2 national promotion, if only because ROH hasn't expanded far enough yet. Production value isn't an issue in whether or not it's national.

04-04-2009, 04:25 PM	#9
What Would Kevin Do? Ninja Mod, Esquire Posts: 12,676	ROH isn't getting dropped, HDNet is, from Time Warner... As long as HDNet is still in business, ROH has an outlet for it's stuff... Especially since HDNet is letting the shows be posted on Youtube. While it may not be the most ideal setup, right now ROH is more accessible to people than it's ever been. With that said, it's still number 3, and has a long, long, long way to go before taking over TNA (not in quality obviously, but in a fanbase)

04-04-2009, 04:26 PM	#10
Kane86 Got fired by the Clique Posts: 3,206	I doubt there getting dropped. I know more people are asking to get HDnet because of this company specifically. Noone said it was going to be easy getting to the top. But in 1 year I can see this being number 2. Thats if TNA does not step it up and quit making a 2 hour skit show. Because afte 07 TNA really started shitting on themselves does anyone know who is on creative? I have heard Disco Inferno is on there.

04-04-2009, 04:38 PM	#11
What Would Kevin Do? Ninja Mod, Esquire Posts: 12,676	ROH can't take over the number two spot on HDNet. HDNet is not a common channel. It's a specialty channel that's only in HD, and a lot of providers don't have... SPike is more or less basic cable. If ROH is going to ever be number 2, they need a spot on a more legit channel. A legit channel will cost them money, where HDNet is essentially the sweetest possible deal they could get ( I believe HdNet and ROH are just splitting profits, and ROH isn't being charged shit for the cameras, production, whatnot._)

04-04-2009, 04:40 PM	#12
IC Champion They/Them Posts: 15,331	I barely consider there are 2 major promotions.

04-04-2009, 05:24 PM	#13
Kane86 Got fired by the Clique Posts: 3,206	Yeah but the demand for HDnet is going to be higher. Providing the customers TV can support it.

04-04-2009, 05:55 PM	#14
KayfabeMan TPWW's Glass Ceiling Posts: 5,793	I should write a letter to HDNet about all of this. Give me their address

04-04-2009, 05:58 PM	#15
KayfabeMan TPWW's Glass Ceiling Posts: 5,793	But seriously, I think right now only WWE and TNA are the national promotions - if you will. ROH has made great strides, but has a long way to go. Obviously McMahon knows about ROH, and I am sure - no matter what he says - he has seen their product. I honestly think that he doesn't really give a shit what they do, as 'competition' is a word he hasn't heard in going on 8 years now.

04-04-2009, 06:03 PM	#17
Kane86 Got fired by the Clique Posts: 3,206	McMahon in my opinion still thinks he has no competition because his head is so swollen after the buyout. That he thinks is product is the only product. Thats why it has started to sour over ther years.

04-04-2009, 06:05 PM	#18
FourFifty As over as Crystal Pepsi Posts: 21,639	You could tell Vince the world is on fire and he won't believe you until his pants are on fire.

04-04-2009, 06:22 PM	#21
Krimzon7 King of the Ring Posts: 8,848	McMahon couldn't be that stupid. Even if he is, the board of directors can't be, can they?

04-04-2009, 06:54 PM	#22
Kane86 Got fired by the Clique Posts: 3,206	Additude era compared to now. The product now is complete bullshit. Hell even the golden years were way better then the shit they are feeding us now.

04-04-2009, 06:56 PM	#23
Droford Posts: 52,478	Mark Cuban needs to buy ROH. Vince would notice ROH then, when its run by a guy with more money than he has and probably more famous.

04-04-2009, 06:58 PM	#24
Kane86 Got fired by the Clique Posts: 3,206	Who is Mark Cuban? I'm being serious

04-04-2009, 08:49 PM	#26
St. Jimmy Last of a Dying Forum Posts: 16,215	HDnet won't make it another year. ROH on HDnet is ECW on TNN. You can hear the toliet flushing in the distance.

04-04-2009, 08:50 PM	#27
Juan Doin' It Right Posts: 35,461	ROH is #2 in my heart

04-04-2009, 10:23 PM	#29
Fox "Ask him!" Posts: 10,075	I have not watched the youtube videos of the shows, but when I think of ROH I see a static, one-camera production, like when me and my friends used to wrestle on my trampoline and didn't have a cameraman, so we'd just put the camcorder on the deck and shoot the match that way. I'm sure it's not that bad, but I really don't think of ROH as a "third national promotion" yet. Do they even travel out of state?

04-05-2009, 01:13 AM	#30
What Would Kevin Do? Ninja Mod, Esquire Posts: 12,676	Seriously? They've run and run shows in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Illinois, Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Texas, Minnesota, etc, etc. They run shows in Canada, Japan, and England. They're not some small indy fed with static camera that happened to get on tv.

04-05-2009, 03:03 AM	#31
Destor I am the cheese Posts: 51,547	RoH is national. If anyone doesn't think they are they're only jadded by the reach of the WWE.

04-05-2009, 09:31 AM	#35
Volare Da Gif/Pic Pimp Posts: 13,913	If KK says it...then based on his track record of calling things, I must agree.

04-06-2009, 05:23 AM	#37
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	Very impressed with their TV product. I think the good thing with ROH is that they could take a step back from HDNet and then move to another channel much like what TNA did between Fox Sports and Spike. They are running their operation very well and given more time and a better TV deal you can only see them pushing forward. If they are not at National level yet they are very close to breaking through.

04-06-2009, 08:16 AM	#38
Mr. Nerfect Posts: 61,634	KK has it pretty right.

04-06-2009, 08:27 AM	#39
Chavo Classic The Great Pink Hope Posts: 8,817	Ironically, the best indicator of which National promotion is best is to look at the international picture. It seems safe to assume that since TNA is broadcast all over the world on a variety of channels and languages, and ROH is not, that the former is the biggest. I think I realised TNA was finally getting momentum the moment I saw Impact, dubbed into Hindi, in a Mumbai hotel room. In this respect, ROH has a hell of a lot of ground to make up.