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Old 05-14-2009, 12:58 PM   #161
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Bret Hart was a more believable wrestler.He worked the legs of a tall wrestler in preparation for the sharpshooter.He didn't have to use the steps or announcers tables to make the good moments. His punches look so solid.

Shawn michaels is also great in the ring but in a different way. You can see bret in a real fight with his style but with shawns style its just too flashy for realism.

Shawn michaels takes a beating then nips up like nothing happened..that always annoyed me because he is supposed to be tired and barely hanging on by that point.

Did he try to nip up when the marines at the bar beat the shit out of him?

So basically, Bret had better psychology and was a more realisitc wrestler. Both factually correct points. Let me add: He was just plain better.
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Old 05-14-2009, 01:54 PM   #162
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So basically, Bret had better psychology and was a more realisitc wrestler. Both factually correct points. Let me add: He was just plain better.
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Old 05-14-2009, 02:53 PM   #163
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So basically, Bret had better psychology and was a more realisitc wrestler. Both factually correct points. Let me add: He was just plain better.
Bret was more bland and OMG HE WORKED THE LEGS! THE BRILLIANT MAN WORKED THE LEGS FOR HIS FINISHING SUBMISSION HOLD WHICH INVOLVED THE LEGS!

Please, I am begging you to actually present facts instead of opinions. Rob presented FACTs, so why can't you Marky Mark?
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Old 05-14-2009, 03:02 PM   #164
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It saddens me to say that Team Hitman has forfeited the first ever TPWW Dozens due to their lack of ability to put forth a cohesive team. Therefore, your winner, and the better wrestler...THE HEARTBREAK KID SHAWN MICAELS!
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Old 05-14-2009, 03:09 PM   #165
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Old 05-14-2009, 03:28 PM   #166
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It saddens me to say that Team Hitman has forfeited the first ever TPWW Dozens due to their lack of ability to put forth a cohesive team. Therefore, your winner, and the better wrestler...THE HEARTBREAK KID SHAWN MICAELS!
You're decision is more flawed than James Steeles logic. FLAWED
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Old 05-14-2009, 03:32 PM   #167
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CM Punk is better than the pair of them anyway.
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Old 05-14-2009, 03:32 PM   #168
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Old 05-14-2009, 03:32 PM   #169
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Old 05-14-2009, 03:37 PM   #170
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Old 05-14-2009, 03:37 PM   #171
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Old 05-14-2009, 03:39 PM   #172
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But seriously, this argument will never end. Tpww.net would be better off if we created 3 social groups with strict mods. A Team Hart group, a Team Kliq group, and some sort of battle ground where Team Kliq and Team Hart can argue without looking at 4 threads.
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Old 05-14-2009, 03:40 PM   #173
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Old 05-14-2009, 05:13 PM   #174
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Old 05-14-2009, 05:17 PM   #175
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Bret Hart was a more believable wrestler.He worked the legs of a tall wrestler in preparation for the sharpshooter.He didn't have to use the steps or announcers tables to make the good moments. His punches look so solid.

Shawn michaels is also great in the ring but in a different way. You can see bret in a real fight with his style but with shawns style its just too flashy for realism.

Shawn michaels takes a beating then nips up like nothing happened..that always annoyed me because he is supposed to be tired and barely hanging on by that point.

Did he try to nip up when the marines at the bar beat the shit out of him?
So Michaels was better in basically every meaningful way to pro wrestling in the mainstream, keeping in mind the mainstream remembers Hogan, Rock and Austin and not Storm, Haas, and Noble.

Also, Michaels doesn't need the announce table or ring steps to make a memorable moment. I would go as far as to say that the vast majority of his best spots don't use props. Michaels can use them, but he's good with props and without them.

He also does a damn good job of selling an injury, and his kip ups don't take away from that.

I don't give a flying fuck if you like Michaels, prefer Hart, or whatever, but when you step into the realm of claiming some sort of difference between Michaels and Hart being that Hart doesn't need props....Well, that's kind of ridiculous.

(Note, that doesn't make him any nicer a guy, or TPWW's Kliq any less retarded, but let's be realistic)
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Old 05-14-2009, 05:26 PM   #176
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Trying to take anything away from Michaels in ring ability is just plain retareded.
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Old 05-14-2009, 05:37 PM   #177
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Trying to take anything away from Michaels in ring ability is just plain retareded.
Do you think we're confusing the Kliq?
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Old 05-14-2009, 05:42 PM   #178
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Old 05-14-2009, 06:53 PM   #179
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So Michaels was better in basically every meaningful way to pro wrestling in the mainstream, keeping in mind the mainstream remembers Hogan, Rock and Austin and not Storm, Haas, and Noble.

Also, Michaels doesn't need the announce table or ring steps to make a memorable moment. I would go as far as to say that the vast majority of his best spots don't use props. Michaels can use them, but he's good with props and without them.

He also does a damn good job of selling an injury, and his kip ups don't take away from that.

I don't give a flying fuck if you like Michaels, prefer Hart, or whatever, but when you step into the realm of claiming some sort of difference between Michaels and Hart being that Hart doesn't need props....Well, that's kind of ridiculous.

(Note, that doesn't make him any nicer a guy, or TPWW's Kliq any less retarded, but let's be realistic)

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Old 05-14-2009, 06:59 PM   #180
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I heard that Shawn Michaels refused to do a job to Santino Marella. Is this true?
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Old 05-14-2009, 10:17 PM   #181
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You need to be someone a little more popular than Santino to hold a W over HBK.

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Old 05-15-2009, 10:39 AM   #182
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Look, the point is Bret had had a more realistic style and an in ring psychology that madew him the BEST storyteller (and that is according to Vince who knows a little more about wrestling than you ..go on- argue that).

I never said michaels isnt great in the ring- he is but his immaturity and basic assholishness is hard to look over. Bret was the bigger man and put Shawn over clean after giving shawn an hour long match.

Viewers left in droves to wcw when HBK was champion. Shawn wanted to kill the careers of the rock and Austin. Lets not forget that.

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Look, the point is Bret had had a more realistic style and an in ring psychology that madew him the BEST storyteller (and that is according to Vince who knows a little more about wrestling than you ..go on- argue that).
I love how Vince is a great and knowledgeable source when he says something you agree with. But when it comes to every other element....You dismiss him.

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Old 05-16-2009, 12:42 PM   #185
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Did he try to nip up when the marines at the bar beat the shit out of him?
You do realize there is a contingent (myself included) that believe that the whole "Marines at the bar" thing was made up so Shawn could get out of jobbing to Dean Douglas, right?
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Old 05-16-2009, 01:35 PM   #186
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You do realize there is a contingent (myself included) that believe that the whole "Marines at the bar" thing was made up so Shawn could get out of jobbing to Dean Douglas, right?
Yes, we know you'll believe anything that will make your own personal devil look bad.

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Old 05-16-2009, 02:35 PM   #187
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You do realize there is a contingent (myself included) that believe that the whole "Marines at the bar" thing was made up so Shawn could get out of jobbing to Dean Douglas, right?
Personally I'm not sure if he got beat up or not in a bar, but the whole thing about them being "Marines" when nobody had a clue who they were or what they did is ludicrous
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Old 05-16-2009, 04:50 PM   #188
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You do realize there is a contingent (myself included) that believe that the whole "Marines at the bar" thing was made up so Shawn could get out of jobbing to Dean Douglas, right?
Neither side of this argument is ever going to let reality intrude on their fantasy.
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