I don't like it

[midLfinger]

According to lineage (beating the man to become the man), both titles have a pretty good argument. It depends on which of the titles comprising the bigger titles you value more. It cannot be denied, however, that the WWE Title is comprised of the main titles of the three major companies we all grew up watching.

The WWE Championship is not only the lineal championship of the WWE/WWF but also the lineal championship of WCW (since it's last champion, Booker T in WCW, was defeated for it in the WWF and it continued to change hands until being unified with the WWE Title) as well as being the title that the NWA had back for many decades. The belt also has the lineage of the old WCW International World Heavyweight Championship.

It should be noted, however, that the World Heavyweight Championship has the lineage of the WCW United States Championship, the WWF Intercontinental Championship, the WWF European Championship and the WWF Hardcore Championship. At Survivor Series 2001 Edge unified the Intercontinental and US championships. In July and August of 2002 RVD unified the Intercontinental Title with the European and Hardcore titles. Finally, at No Mercy 2002, Triple H beat Kane for the Intercontinental Title.

It's funny that when Ultimo Dragon won all his belts in one pop he carried around all the titles but no one acknowledges the fact that Randy Orton is carrying around the WWF, WCW and NWA belts and CM Punk is carrying around the World Heavyweight, Intercontinental, European, US and WWE Hardcore Titles all at once.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Guru Dave Noid post request. He understands me.

I absolutely do get where you are coming from, but I cannot fully agree. The point you are making is that you don't like it when guys go from winning the WWE Title to the World Heavyweight Title, and vice versa, right? I do agree with that, as it makes the brand fabrics appear weaker, and I do agree that the World Titles should be given their own identity.

For example, the WWE Title should be considered the richest prize in the company. It's been the title held by Bruno Sammartino, Andre the Giant, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock. It's the belt with the "history." I'm more inclined to think that the World Heavyweight Championship should be about carving history. It's got the prestige of physically being held by the best of the business, back when it housed the WCW Title and NWA Title, but their lineages are completely unrelated. Younger guys, who careers started from about 2003 onwards should be much more interested in this belt than guys who came into the WWE in the 90's, looking to win the WWE Title.

It sort of annoys me when a wrestler says it has been their lifelong dream to win the World Heavyweight Title, when the belt hasn't even been around as long as many of those challenging for it. But, I do not mind it when wrestlers win both. I just wish a bigger deal was made out of it.

Instead of putting Batista's WWE Title win at Extreme Rules as his fifth World Title, they should have put it over as his first WWE Title win. It's something very different for Batista, and a massive landmark in his career. It just gets washed over like it's another day in his life.

John Cena winning his first World Heavyweight Title after several WWE Title reigns could have been a pretty big deal if the WWE had built it up for a WrestleMania, or something. It could have been a chance to start afresh with the guy. Instead, they just give him a random match against Chris Jericho at Survivor Series, and Cena wins the WHT in an understated moment, and Jericho's reign has the legs cut out from under him.

Originally Posted by midLfinger It's funny that when Ultimo Dragon won all his belts in one pop he carried around all the titles but no one acknowledges the fact that Randy Orton is carrying around the WWF, WCW and NWA belts and CM Punk is carrying around the World Heavyweight, Intercontinental, European, US and WWE Hardcore Titles all at once.

That's because they're not. While the WCW Title belt design was used for the NWA World Heavyweight Title, the NWA Title is a completely separate lineage, and is still alive today. The NWA Title was the centrepiece of TNA Wrestling for years, and then flirted with ROH before doing whatever it is now. Last time I checked the reigning NWA Champion was Blue Demon, Jr.; not Randy Orton.

Ultimo Dragon looked impressive carrying around all those titles, but that was an optical illusion. Give a guy that many belts, and he looks like he's won a lot. Give a guy one belt, even if their are two World Title lineages fused in there, and it doesn't look, optically, as impressive. Especially when the belt looks like a piece of shit.

As for the World Heavyweight Title -- yes, it was unified with the Intercontinental Title, which had absorbed the United States Championship, European Championship and Hardcore Championship -- but we have since seen the re-installment of the IC Title and US Titles. They are no longer part of the World Heavyweight Championship as anything more than a memory. Also, I'd make the case that the European and Hardcore Titles were unified with the IC Title, so therefore those titles are more closely tied to the active IC Title on SmackDown! than the World Heavyweight Title heading the brand.