Frank Mir is going to make Lesnar tap again

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Reavant brandon was after his injury. mir was dominating on the feet. to go to the ground would have likely caused a stale mate situation if both are so good. Why do that when you are in a dominant position and scoring knockdows. go on about the staph infection all you want but its not like nogieras two previous performances were very good either. Id like to hear what heavyweights you would pick to beat him. personally other than fedor, I wouldnt pick and of the top five guys. id say someone like ovareem or arlovski (headgeared of course) could kill mir because they have very fast and powerful striking, long reach, and good takedown defense.

Arlovski? With that glass jaw? Get your head out your ass man

I'd put money on Carwin, Gonzaga, Valesquez, Lesnar, Couture, a fit Nog and probably Kongo against Mir. I wouldn't see a fight with Brandon Vera being any different from the last one either.

You mention "since his injury" but since it, he is 4-2 and in the 4 wins, he looked impressive in 1 of those fights. The Christison fight was an embarrassment, he was getting killed by Lesnar who was in his second pro fight and he should have looked ten times better against Hardonk. Some people have been super impressed by him in this time, I personally don't see what the big deal is. Even if he beats Lesnar this time, he still needs to prove more in my eyes. That's just my opinion though.

[Reavant]

Originally Posted by Rob Arlovski? With that glass jaw? Get your head out your ass man I'd put money on Carwin, Gonzaga, Valesquez, Lesnar, Couture, a fit Nog and probably Kongo against Mir. I wouldn't see a fight with Brandon Vera being any different from the last one either. You mention "since his injury" but since it, he is 4-2 and in the 4 wins, he looked impressive in 1 of those fights. The Christison fight was an embarrassment, he was getting killed by Lesnar who was in his second pro fight and he should have looked ten times better against Hardonk. Some people have been super impressed by him in this time, I personally don't see what the big deal is. Even if he beats Lesnar this time, he still needs to prove more in my eyes. That's just my opinion though.

well of course he'd have to be wearing head gear

Carwins punches are still relativly slow and if he does get to the ground, I see him lasting less than a minute.

Gonzaga is one of the guys id see beating him unless mir gets on top.

How on earth does Cain have a chance his strinking is mediocre and he didnt have the strength to put kongo away on the ground how would he be able to compete with Mir who has an active ground game?

We get to see lesnar fight him. Id say the big difference between this time and last is that we get to see mir put an actual gameplan in for lesnar. So its almost gauranteed that we wont see leg kicks to start the match off haha.

Couture, I wouldnt bet against him but lets see how he handles a ground game like nogieras first. Healthy nog/sick nog have both been performing like shit since they got in the ufc so i dont agree with you there.

Kongo? No way... I mean his striking is superb, but its just not that fast. Its incredanly accurate, but the second mir gets his hands on him, kongo has less than a minute left.

You gotta remember the Vera that fought Mir was a very different Vera than as of late. Depends which one shows.

Thats why they fight the fights tho

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Reavant well of course he'd have to be wearing head gear Carwins punches are still relativly slow and if he does get to the ground, I see him lasting less than a minute. Gonzaga is one of the guys id see beating him unless mir gets on top. How on earth does Cain have a chance his strinking is mediocre and he didnt have the strength to put kongo away on the ground how would he be able to compete with Mir who has an active ground game? We get to see lesnar fight him. Id say the big difference between this time and last is that we get to see mir put an actual gameplan in for lesnar. So its almost gauranteed that we wont see leg kicks to start the match off haha. Couture, I wouldnt bet against him but lets see how he handles a ground game like nogieras first. Healthy nog/sick nog have both been performing like shit since they got in the ufc so i dont agree with you there. Kongo? No way... I mean his striking is superb, but its just not that fast. Its incredanly accurate, but the second mir gets his hands on him, kongo has less than a minute left. You gotta remember the Vera that fought Mir was a very different Vera than as of late. Depends which one shows. Thats why they fight the fights tho

Kongo does have superb striking and has only ever been stopped once in his career and it wasn't in the UFC (5-6 years ago). I can't see much that Mir offers that would make this change. Guys with better grappling than Mir have failed to take Kongo down.

Velasquez's striking is being hugely underrated here. Mir's chin is being even more overrated. I don't care if Carwin punches at the speed of Pacquiao or Foreman, he hits Mir and it's over.

I can see your point on Nogueira but I believe the guy who beat Herring and Sylvia who under performed would still beat Mir. And the Brandon Vera who smashed Mir the last time or the Brandon Vera who put on a clinic last time out would spell the end of Frank Mir.

Again, my opinion only.

[Reavant]

Originally Posted by Rob Kongo does have superb striking and has only ever been stopped once in his career and it wasn't in the UFC (5-6 years ago). I can't see much that Mir offers that would make this change. Guys with better grappling than Mir have failed to take Kongo down. Velasquez's striking is being hugely underrated here. Mir's chin is being even more overrated. I don't care if Carwin punches at the speed of Pacquiao or Foreman, he hits Mir and it's over. I can see your point on Nogueira but I believe the guy who beat Herring and Sylvia who under performed would still beat Mir. And the Brandon Vera who smashed Mir the last time or the Brandon Vera who put on a clinic last time out would spell the end of Frank Mir. Again, my opinion only.

What heavyweight has kongo fought with better grappling than mir? I can see maybe a case for assuerio silva but if you go back and look at the match, kongo got taken down at will and won a majority decision. Other than him looking at his resume he has not fought tough grapplers.

Valezques has been in the sport two years. His striking is phenominal for the length of time hes been in it, but I just dont think its good enough yet. Plus hes not that strong of a guy.

To say if carwin hits mir its over is missing the point. given ten times, how many times would carwin KO gonzaga in one punch? Now nothing against carwin especially because he got up from under gonzaga, but if you want to play the one punch card, then you could pull any HW out of a hat to Serra his ass.