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Old 03-14-2012, 09:04 PM   #1
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He would have had to sell it first.
Yes, unlike what he actually did, "trading it in." Totally unrelated.
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Old 03-14-2012, 09:06 PM   #2
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It is. I got cash for mine, he got another game.

EDIT: Just realized I got cash and a game for it, so I guess you were right. Though you didn't know that.
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Old 03-14-2012, 09:24 PM   #3
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It is. I got cash for mine, he got another game.

EDIT: Just realized I got cash and a game for it, so I guess you were right. Though you didn't know that.
It wouldn't matter. The concept of trading as different from selling it in this instances is heavily semantic.

Or semitic. Whichever one isn't Jewish.
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Old 03-14-2012, 09:34 PM   #4
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None, got a used one to replace my busted one.
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It wouldn't matter. The concept of trading as different from selling it in this instances is heavily semantic.

Or semitic. Whichever one isn't Jewish.
The first is correct, though when I first read it I thought you were talking about a warning which is sematic.
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Old 03-14-2012, 09:12 PM   #5
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Got a new PS3 actually, but I could have taken the money.
What games if any did you get with the PS3? I've been considering getting one as they are fairly inexpensive now. I don't know what they have for exclusives at all that are any good.
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Old 03-14-2012, 09:23 PM   #7
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None, got a used one to replace my busted one.
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Old 03-14-2012, 10:11 PM   #10
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Old 03-14-2012, 10:13 PM   #11
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:23 AM   #12
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Hogtying someone and putting then on train tracks equals a "" face every time.
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Old 03-15-2012, 10:41 AM   #13
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I liked it well enough, thought L.A. Noire was better though

mostly because L.A. Noire doesn't have some cock coming up to you and saying "Mr. Marston" 4 million fucking times
Yes, but more important: Does the protagonist keep threatening to kill people who dick him around, only to get dicked around again?
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Old 03-15-2012, 10:58 AM   #14
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One of my all time favourite achievements that was. Easily one of my favourite games ever, just such an incredible ending too.
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Old 03-15-2012, 11:18 AM   #16
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One of my all time favourite achievements that was. Easily one of my favourite games ever, just such an incredible ending too.
Snidely Whiplash, motherfuckers!

I agree on the ending, BTW. It's a shame it gets panned by so many.
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:10 PM   #17
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I liked it well enough, thought L.A. Noire was better though

mostly because L.A. Noire doesn't have some cock coming up to you and saying "Mr. Marston" 4 million fucking times
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Wanna say I was a little shocked and sad at the ending as it was really something I had not seen coming at all.
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:52 PM   #22
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Good idea. Since it is rather good.
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Wanna say I was a little shocked and sad at the ending as it was really something I had not seen coming at all.
I can see why. That whole theme of the end of the old West and the inability to escape who you are was certainly well-hidden throughout the entire game.
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I can see why. That whole theme of the end of the old West and the inability to escape who you are was certainly well-hidden throughout the entire game.
Don't click this. End spoilers.

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Marston getting shot to death is what I meant. I expected a live happily ever after bit after he got his family back and finally settled down.
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Marston getting shot to death is what I meant. I expected a live happily ever after bit after he got his family back and finally settled down.
Yes, dumbass, that's what I was referencing. That was hard to see coming because the themes that led up to it were so hard to see.
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Have you ever enjoyed any game you have ever played, Jim? I find that every game on here that becomes a discussion sees you running with your bag of nitpicks.
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Have you ever enjoyed any game you have ever played, Jim? I find that every game on here that becomes a discussion sees you running with your bag of nitpicks.
I forget how fucking stupid you are sometimes. Being Canadian and occasionally seeming almost human.

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just such an incredible ending too.
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I agree on the ending, BTW.
Parsed the extra stuff so as not to confuse you.

So I praised the game prior, and I'm now praising the ending. Somehow, calling you an idiot for not understanding the themes of the game indicates my displeasure not with your inability to grasp those running themes (the themes are part of what makes the ending so damn powerful) but rather the ending or game itself.

Somehow, criticizing you means criticizing Red Dead Redemption.

Christ sake, you're stupid.

I'm sorry, why did you appreciate it, exactly? The same sociopathy that had you worshipping the Joker? "lol people die in it?" Did you just see other people applaud it and fall in line, though you didn't understand the ramifications?

I'm beginning to think the latter, though I wouldn't preclude the "why so serious?" route.
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I forget how fucking stupid you are sometimes. Being Canadian and occasionally seeming almost human.

Parsed the extra stuff so as not to confuse you.

So I praised the game prior, and I'm now praising the ending. Somehow, calling you an idiot for not understanding the themes of the game indicates my displeasure not with your inability to grasp those running themes (the themes are part of what makes the ending so damn powerful) but rather the ending or game itself.

Somehow, criticizing you means criticizing Red Dead Redemption.

Christ sake, you're stupid.

I'm sorry, why did you appreciate it, exactly? The same sociopathy that had you worshipping the Joker? "lol people die in it?" Did you just see other people applaud it and fall in line, though you didn't understand the ramifications?

I'm beginning to think the latter, though I wouldn't preclude the "why so serious?"
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Ill just ignore the personal attack, Jim.

When you began the game, you cannot tell me for a second that you expected the ending from the start. As time went on in the game, I guess I expected something of the sort though I still wasn't entirely sure as I believed

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That he was honestly going to get to settle down and it be a feel good ending and for a short time it seemed like that was going to happen. It felt like the game was coming to a close at that point and despite the obvious I was shocked that they went through with killing one of those characters that were
nicely developed, though as I said the ending fit really well and was one of the best I have ever experienced.

I understood the themes and knew something grim was likely going to happen
and in all honesty, I saw his wife being killed and him going out for revenge (in a sequel)

His son ending the game was incredible and again, one of those endings that you just don't forget. Sure with the growing theme I SHOULD have expected it but for a moment it really seemed like it was going to be a happy ending.


As for the Joker, I saw The Dark Knight on opening day so I could hardly fall in line. I thought the performance was exceptional and Ledger really captured the demented pyschopath who beat Robin to death with a crowbar.

That's not to say Nicholson (sp?) Was bad, he fit the theme perfectly with his Joker. Ledger captured the dark grim world Nolan created to a T. Now of course I expect you to tear that apart with your analytical expertise finding some flaw with it to use against my opinion so you come off as intelligent because you couldn't just enjoy a good movie and agree with someone but rather had to find and remind people what you thought was wrong with it.

That is what you do, Jim.
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Ill just ignore the personal attack, Jim.
And about half of my point as well. Though that may have been for convenience, or because you were too fucking stupid to get it. Really not certain at this point. But let's go on:

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Did I ever claim I knew it was coming from then? They haven't even laid out most of the primary themes of the game at the very beginning, let alone reenforced them. Did you just completely ignore that portion of what I said? Kinda sounds like you did. Though it beats making up my hatred of the game from whole cloth.

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So you were shocked and didn't see it coming at all, but you expected something of the sort.Huh. Howabout that. You had mutually exclusive feelings on a single subject. It almost sounds like you're retconning now that you've been caught.

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I bet you'd have to look them up on Wikipedia or a similar site to even tell them to me if I hadn't already alluded to a couple.

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As for the Joker, I saw The Dark Knight on opening day so I could hardly fall in line.
And you were a fanboy before day one, so that doesn't mean a damn thing.

Also, Nicholson WAS horrible. He didn't play the Joker at all. He was Jack Nicholson in face paint. That's one of the things that makes just about everyone else who played the part better. I know it's common to love guys who don't play a character at all, but that's really shit. With the possible exception of Tommy Lee Jones.

But that's not really to the point.
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And about half of my point as well. Though that may have been for convenience, or because you were too fucking stupid to get it. Really not certain at this point. But let's go on:

Did I ever claim I knew it was coming from then? They haven't even laid out most of the primary themes of the game at the very beginning, let alone reenforced them. Did you just completely ignore that portion of what I said? Kinda sounds like you did. Though it beats making up my hatred of the game from whole cloth.

What I alluded to as you began to find out more about Marston was that he wanted a normal life with his son and wife. You can usually draw a conclusion that this would have something to do with the end of the game in him getting that.

So you were shocked and didn't see it coming at all, but you expected something of the sort.Huh. Howabout that. You had mutually exclusive feelings on a single subject. It almost sounds like you're retconning now that you've been caught.

Nope, not retconning. A poor selection of words in the former statement would make it seem so. The games message is painfully obvious that even a neanderthal such as myself understood it fine.

That the mistakes of your past will always make trouble for your future. Its a good message and one that was cleverly spun into the ending. However as much foreshadowing it had when

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John gets to settle down for that brief period of time and be a family man after redeeming himself by hunting down his old gang (furthering the message that they couldn't escape their past either)

The brilliance of the ending in my opinion is that to end the game, you have to have his son kill the man responsible for his fathers death. Even he couldn't escape his fathers mistake. Though the ending was a farcry from the standard boss fight it fit the story beautifully and I will reiterate that it was an exceptional story.


I bet you'd have to look them up on Wikipedia or a similar site to even tell them to me if I hadn't already alluded to a couple.

ill admit I just did to check for anything that I missed that wasn't as apparent as the main theme and the underlying one that settling the west had come at the cost of the Native Americans being slaughtered.

Another theme that's readily apparent as it is in nearly all westerns that the towns and communities were run by the biggest and best gun if the law wasn't present and lends to the fact that without laws in place we would be a bunch of animals.


And you were a fanboy before day one, so that doesn't mean a damn thing.

This is both right and wrong, I liked the Joker long before this movie but only read his backstory and Batmans backstory AFTER seeing Batman Begins as I wasnt aware he trained with ninjas in the mountains. I've always enjoyed the Joker character as he seems to be the ideal fit for Batmans code of morals.

Also, Nicholson WAS horrible. He didn't play the Joker at all. He was Jack Nicholson in face paint. That's one of the things that makes just about everyone else who played the part better. I know it's common to love guys who don't play a character at all, but that's really shit. With the possible exception of Tommy Lee Jones.

I think the Burton Batman films still had too much of the
campiness that the 60's show had and that Nicholson's Joker reflected that. The movies still receive fanfare due to them being done first and people being fans o
f the franchise but I believe Nolan captured the true essence of Gotham far better then Burton did.

Though from what I can tell from watching Req play Arkham City for 10 mins, Nolan was outdone on that front.


But that's not really to the point.
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La Noire ending the same way kinda ruined both endings for me.
Like, as in it's more or less a retreat of the same ending?

That blows.
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Incidentally, I love the fact that the big turn was really hinted at even before the game dropped, though I doubt anyone took the meaning at that point. That's right, Fangerl, even I didn't know at that point.

The oft used tagline:

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La Noire ending the same way kinda ruined both endings for me.
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Incidentally, I love the fact that the big turn was really hinted at even before the game dropped, though I doubt anyone took the meaning at that point. That's right, Fangerl, even I didn't know at that point.

The oft used tagline:

SPOILER: show
Outlaws to the End


Really turned out to be truth in advertising.


Never even thought about that.

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La Noire ending the same way kinda ruined both endings for me.
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The LA Noire ending pissed me off at first, but then thinking about it afterwards it was pretty decent, didn't quite have the same effect on me as this ending though.
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