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Old 07-18-2009, 07:19 AM   #81
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Yeah, there's some stuff on both sides of the argument I agree with. WWE really could do with throwing some logic into their booking in order to be bought better by the fans, etc.
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:13 PM   #82
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But I'm also with #1-wwf-fan on the fact that while UFC 100 apparently way out-bought WWE's big PPVs this year, there is a crapload more to the WWE as a successful wrestling company than just PPV buys. They run way more TV (and movies and books which has pluses and minuses), way more merchandise sales, etc.
No..

UFC has a highly rated reality show which runs up to three seasons a year, live fight nights every few months, Unleashed, then specials like Ultimate Knock Outs, Top 100, etc etc etc.. As a sponsor, UFC gets revenue from companies like Full Contact Fighter, TapOut, Throwdown, etc etc etc.. On top of that are the PPV which have been murdering WWE's for the past 3 years or so..

Another uneducated mark, speaking out of turn..
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:23 PM   #87
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Calling UFC a wrestling company is an inaccurate statement.

UFC and WWE are on completely different wave lengths, and are comparable only in the fact that one is a combat sport, and the other is plays the part of a combat sport. The UFC isn't producing characters in the same sense that the wrestling does. Fighters characters are who the fighters are or choose to be. Dana White didn't sign Rampage for his ability as a character, he signed him because he is one of the top competitors at his weight class.

UFC is a legitimate combat sport, the WWE just plays one on TV.
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I dont think the two are that comparable. The UFC can do what they do because the competitions are real. The emotions for the most part are real.

WWE is entertainment.
Real sports aren't entertainment? Why the hell do you watch then?

You are right on one thing though. They aren't comparable. UFC absolutely kicks their arses on PPV and that's where the money is made. UFC can break the 1 million buys barrier on PPV and WWE never will even if they add every international buy they can.
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Yeah UFC outdrew WWE huge with that number. Think about where people are putting their money. Both ppvs are for about 40 bucks, and people aren't going to pay 80 bucks for both ppvs. People are dishing the big bucks for UFC and not for the WWE. I WONDER WHY. It must be because the two producst have absolutely nothing to do with one another

You can't explain this logic and expect wrestling marks to understand.

Same with the Sherdog nut huggers too.
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What is the point of this thread? UFC is hot right now. No shit. An obvious point. UFC is more profitable than WWE atm. No shit, an obvious point. The opening post comparisons are daft. If Triple H fought in public once every 3-4 months, maybe you'd be onto something. However, comparing the 2 companies under those circumstances is ridiculous.
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Calling UFC a wrestling company is an inaccurate statement.

UFC and WWE are on completely different wave lengths, and are comparable only in the fact that one is a combat sport, and the other is plays the part of a combat sport. The UFC isn't producing characters in the same sense that the wrestling does. Fighters characters are who the fighters are or choose to be. Dana White didn't sign Rampage for his ability as a character, he signed him because he is one of the top competitors at his weight class.

UFC is a legitimate combat sport, the WWE just plays one on TV.
lol it obviously isn't an actual wrestling company I just named the title as such to emphasize my point mon ami.

Dana also puts Rampage as a coach on TUF because of his personallity as well as his abilities as a fighter. Why do you think there are fight of the night bonuses? It's because these guys first and foremost are there to put on a show.
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The point is that if WWE treated its own product and fans with more respect and realism, they wouldn't be sucking.

WWE needs to be cutting edge and up to date with modern day styles and influences. But they have ZZ Top on Raw this monday night. Says it all.
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:42 PM   #93
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what was the ppv rating for ufc 99? figures 100 would have a big number just because it's 100.
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what was the ppv rating for ufc 99? figures 100 would have a big number just because it's 100.
About 380,000. This was for a European show that was broadcast outside of the normal UFC timeslot and never had a solid marquee match. And it was a North American rating. Only Wrestlemania came close to this.
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I feel like this thread is gonna get out of control very soon.
Why? The only problem I can see is the wrestling marks defending WWE like it's their child. They forget everyone posting here at some point actually liked wrestling. Most who stopped watching would LOVE to be able to watch something that entertained them. The wrestling marks (for lack of a better word) can't grasp this.
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ufc has a slightly different demographic than wwe though tbh. it obviously has it's wrestling crossover but then you're gonna find it has the boxing fans too and perhaps people into martial arts films. lot of people at muay thai had no time for wwe but were plenty interested in mma. people want to see what works.
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About 380,000. This was for a European show that was broadcast outside of the normal UFC timeslot and never had a solid marquee match. And it was a North American rating. Only Wrestlemania came close to this.
didn't know that 98?
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ufc has a slightly different demographic than wwe though tbh. it obviously has it's wrestling crossover but then you're gonna find it has the boxing fans too and perhaps people into martial arts films. lot of people at muay thai had no time for wwe but were plenty interested in mma. people want to see what works.
I think you're very wrong there. If anything, WWE has a bigger demographic. Plus people still know more about WWE than UFC. Potentially WWE's fanbase should dwarf the UFC's.

Oh and UFC 98 did 640,000 North American buys.
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WHAT. i am just curious as to what a normal ufc ppv is compared to ufc 100 which would obviously be more popular
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Yeah because I am the only one here that prefers actual combat sport over staged exhibition..

And yes I do <3 Dana White, for the record..
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I think you're very wrong there. If anything, WWE has a bigger demographic. Plus people still know more about WWE than UFC. Potentially WWE's fanbase should dwarf the UFC's.

Oh and UFC 98 did 640,000 North American buys.
i'm not saying ufc will be more popular overall, just ufc has a wider spread of people to choose from i guess. wrestling is something i imagine nearly all of us got into at a young age.
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WHAT. i am just curious as to what a normal ufc ppv is compared to ufc 100 which would obviously be more popular
Rob knows more about it, but I think they've been averaging over 500,000 North American buys for the past three years..
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:58 PM   #108
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WHAT. i am just curious as to what a normal ufc ppv is compared to ufc 100 which would obviously be more popular
They probably won't be doing 1.7 million buys again anytime soon but I'd be quite suprised if they didn't break the 1 million barrier at least twice in the next 12 months too. Brock Lesnar is a legit super draw now.
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I mean, I guess MMA does have a few good things. It was part of the training of the most extreme combatant ever.
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Rob knows more about it, but I think they've been averaging over 500,000 North American buys for the past three years..
Without checking, that number isn't too far off. Had it not been for some sub par marquee European shows with poor time slots and a couple of Anderson Silva fights (who clearly isn't the draw people think he is), the number would be a lot higher too.
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I mean, I guess MMA does have a few good things. It was part of the training of the most extreme combatant ever.
He never fought MMA, for the record..
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You guys smell that?? It's a metallic, metally smell?? Copper?? Steel?? Iron??

Yeah that's it.. The smell of irony..
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Stop it, Jimmy.
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Stop it, Jimmy.
Get this topic in the sub-forum where it belongs.
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Jimmy is the exact reason people think wrestling fans are stupid cunts.
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Jimmy is the exact reason people think wrestling fans are stupid cunts.
Wrestling fans are stupid cunts, what your point? MMA and Football fans are frat boys and jocks too. Doesn't change the fact that your bullshit belongs in your bullshit sub-forum.
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This was a good topic, unfortunately, most wrestling fans are retards and can't accept criticisms about WWE unless it comes from them.
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