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Old 07-25-2009, 11:34 AM   #1
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Also hard to predict the future of how a player will perform in different markets. I'm not saying Hanley wouldn't have been as great here in Boston, but there's the possibility that he wouldn't.
Look at Edgar Renteria, or other players that made the cross over from small market NL teams to the Red Sox or Yankees. Some flourish, and some can't handle it. Maybe Hanley wouldn't be as good as he is.

Either way, shortstop has been a weak spot for the Sox ever since Orlando Cabrera left. I wish they didn't let him go, but there were reasons.
Ever since they've had awful luck at that position. Hanley would fit in nicely there.

I disagree . I think Boston's best shortstop may have been Nomar Garciaparra without a doubt. I really think the short stop position has been weak since he left,
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Old 07-25-2009, 11:38 AM   #2
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I disagree . I think Boston's best shortstop may have been Nomar Garciaparra without a doubt. I really think the short stop position has been weak since he left,
First of all, I didn't say Cabrera was Boston's best shortstop.

I said the position has had problems ever since he left. Nomar left before Cabrera, in that same trade. Even then Nomar was declining and his injuries were hurting the team.

The fact is, it has been weak since Cabrera left. You can't tell me it was weak while he was there. They won the 2004 world series and Cabrera was hitting like hell, and playing amazing defense. He was a big part of that massive second half charge they made, and their posteason success.
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First of all, I didn't say Cabrera was Boston's best shortstop.

I said the position has had problems ever since he left. Nomar left before Cabrera, in that same trade. Even then Nomar was declining and his injuries were hurting the team.

The fact is, it has been weak since Cabrera left. You can't tell me it was weak while he was there. They won the 2004 world series and Cabrera was hitting like hell, and playing amazing defense. He was a big part of that massive second half charge they made, and their posteason success.
Ya, see I didn't know that Nomar left before Cabrera did. I can't tell you that Cabrera was weak because he wasn't in 2004 they went all out and won the World Series. There is no denying that Cabrera was their last good shortstop.

Was there any shortstop after him from 2005 -present that wasn't DFA'D /was a really bad shortstop?
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Ya, see I didn't know that Nomar left before Cabrera did. I can't tell you that Cabrera was weak because he wasn't in 2004 they went all out and won the World Series. There is no denying that Cabrera was their last good shortstop.

Was there any shortstop after him from 2005 -present that wasn't DFA'D /was a really bad shortstop?
Well, Renteria wasn't awful. He was just dissapointing. He was under a lot of pressure and unhappy. I guess he just wasn't the right type of player. It definitely effected his fielding too.
I think they should have given him another year, but I guess it really just wasn't working out.

Lugo was a HUGE fail. Not even getting into that.

Jed Lowrie and Nick Green, are again, okay. Just mediocre though. They're good by the positions standards basically anywhere else, but on a championship contender team it just doesn't cut it.

Alex Cora pretty much falls into the same boat as Lowrie and Green.
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Well, Renteria wasn't awful. He was just dissapointing. He was under a lot of pressure and unhappy. I guess he just wasn't the right type of player. It definitely effected his fielding too.
I think they should have given him another year, but I guess it really just wasn't working out.

Lugo was a HUGE fail. Not even getting into that.

Jed Lowrie and Nick Green, are again, okay. Just mediocre though. They're good by the positions standards basically anywhere else, but on a championship contender team it just doesn't cut it.

Alex Cora pretty much falls into the same boat as Lowrie and Green.
I wasn't counting Lowrie. I have seen so little of him at Shortstop that I just didn't count him. And Nick Green has been doing ok.

And Mike Lowell is just spectacular. That Mike Lowell/Beckett deal has payed off in the long run.
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