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Old 07-28-2009, 04:54 PM   #81
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Okay in all fairness Kareru is entitled to his opinion and if he enjoys watching this kinda stuff then fair play to him for coming on here and saying it.

But my personal opinion: that was some of the most pathetic stuff I've ever seen. Especially the second video.
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Old 07-28-2009, 05:29 PM   #82
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Oh my gosh I think I am gonna be sick after watching that clip

That is one of the most disgusting things ever

Shit for all the blame the old ECW used to get it was never ever near as bad as that horrible clip he posted

That isn't wrestling to me when you gotta use fucking needles and cinder blocks

ECW was tame compared to that shit
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Old 07-28-2009, 05:44 PM   #83
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one might argue that pro wrestling isn't wrestling because it isn't Olympic wrestling
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To each it's own, I actually like the video. It was a legit holy shit moment. Would it of made it better if it was done in a WWE ring? Stop complaining
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Old 07-28-2009, 06:29 PM   #85
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To each it's own, I actually like the video. It was a legit holy shit moment. Would it of made it better if it was done in a WWE ring? Stop complaining
You serious? You've got to be kidding me.
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Old 07-28-2009, 06:31 PM   #86
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Doing something like this would be comparable to the Katie Vick stuff, right?
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Old 07-28-2009, 06:35 PM   #87
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Doing something like this would be comparable to the Katie Vick stuff, right?
Just not the same. Katie Vick was tongue in cheek, the garbage wrestling is malicious.
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I don't think doing that in any ring would be entertaining. To the defenders: how is this any better than watching a video of something like a guy getting his leg caught in a bear trap? What does it add to the match? This is a legitimate question. I'm looking to figure out what you get out of watching a "match" like this. I don't want to hear something like "blame Vince for going PG" because as has been said, there is other wrestling out there. I'm don't want to hear "to each his own" either. What is the draw in watching this type of event?
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Old 07-28-2009, 06:37 PM   #89
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I'm trying to understand. That's why I would like you to explain it to me.
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Art through violence?

I saw a video once of a match from CZW or something where a guy stabbed another guy in the bicep/arm with a pair of scissors. He then proceeded to dig the scissors in deeper and deeper. I'm sure everyone has seen that video.

So tell me, where's the art in that?

I honestly do want to know. I'm a bit curious.
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Old 07-28-2009, 06:45 PM   #92
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I'm trying to understand. That's why I would like you to explain it to me.
you know many cultures use pain as a way to get closer to the gods, youve seen the guys in Indonesia with railway spikes sticking out of there cheeks
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Old 07-28-2009, 06:47 PM   #93
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Art through violence?

I consider wrestling to be an art form yes.

But that wasn't wrestling, or art. It was just fucking dumb
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Those guys don't look Indonesian.

What gods require you to smash lighting over your head?
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Art through violence?

I saw a video once of a match from CZW or something where a guy stabbed another guy in the bicep/arm with a pair of scissors. He then proceeded to dig the scissors in deeper and deeper. I'm sure everyone has seen that video.

So tell me, where's the art in that?

I honestly do want to know. I'm a bit curious.
would you let a guy do that to you?

im preempting you answer as no

that guy is, and he doesn't care, its quite an amazing display of pain threshold
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you know many cultures use pain as a way to get closer to the gods, youve seen the guys in Indonesia with railway spikes sticking out of there cheeks
I have a feeling that the guys in this match were not part of Indonesian culture
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would you let a guy do that to you?

im preempting you answer as no

that guy is, and he doesn't care, its quite an amazing display of pain threshold
Which isn't art?
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Old 07-28-2009, 06:51 PM   #98
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Which isn't art?
how so?

why do you think that it isnt?
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Old 07-28-2009, 06:52 PM   #99
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So is it art or is it an attempt to be closer to the gods through pain?
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Christ the even scarier thing is there's actually a niche group of people who enjoy that kinda crap

Something's wrong with your brain if you can sit back and watch 2 or 3 hrs of that and actually enjoy it

Hell ECW was somewhat hardcore but even they didn't go that far
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would you let a guy do that to you?

im preempting you answer as no

that guy is, and he doesn't care, its quite an amazing display of pain threshold
You're right. I wouldn't let a guy do that to me. Mostly because I'm not an idiot.

And in the video I was talking about, the guy was screaming bloody murder and I don't blame him. His pain threshold was quite low. Just like anyone who would have had scissors rammed into there skin and muscles with some force.
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So is it art or is it an attempt to be closer to the gods through pain?
bit of sadistic art
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You're right. I wouldn't let a guy do that to me. Mostly because I'm not an idiot.

And in the video I was talking about, the guy was screaming bloody murder and I don't blame him. His pain threshold was quite low. Just like anyone who would have had scissors rammed into there skin and muscles with some force.
*punch*
sell it

*kick*
sell it
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The problem with the word "art" is that you can really call anything art and nobody can tell you you're wrong.
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you have a point there
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*punch*
sell it

*kick*
sell it
So your saying he was selling an open wound to the arm?

Can I please have your description of what you consider to be art?
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So your saying he was selling an open wound to the arm?

Can I please have your description of what you consider to be art?
im saying he was selling more than it hurt.
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Definition
art
noun
1 [U] the making of objects, images, music, etc. that are beautiful or that express feelings:
Can television and pop music really be considered art?
I enjoyed the ballet, but it wasn't really great art.

2 [U] the activity of painting, drawing and making sculpture:
Art and English were my best subjects at school.
an art teacher

3 [U] paintings, drawings and sculptures:
The gallery has an excellent collection of modern art.
an exhibition of Native American art
Peggy Guggenheim was one of the twentieth century's great art collectors.
The Frick is an art gallery in New York.

4 [C] an activity through which people express particular ideas:
Drama is an art that is traditionally performed in a theatre.
Do you regard film as entertainment or as an art?
She is doing a course in the performing arts.

5 [C] a skill or special ability:
the art of conversation
Getting him to go out is quite an art

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I checked.

Nowhere does it say, putting needles into your face and then getting hit in the head with a breeze block is considered art.

And that's the Oxford Dictionary

And don't give me any of that interpretation shit over point 1
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im saying he was selling more than it hurt.
Forgive me if I don't take your word for it.
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You guys take this too seriously if you consider wrestling a form of art. It's entertainment, not art.
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This is the video I was talking about.

It's the first clip you see.



I don't think he was selling that. I think that was all genuine. I don't think you can sell a scissor stab and twist to the arm.
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kareru would be selling it though, cos he's extreme
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Old 07-28-2009, 07:20 PM   #113
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Definition
art
noun
1 [U] the making of objects, images, music, etc. that are beautiful or that express feelings:
Can television and pop music really be considered art?
I enjoyed the ballet, but it wasn't really great art.

2 [U] the activity of painting, drawing and making sculpture:
Art and English were my best subjects at school.
an art teacher

3 [U] paintings, drawings and sculptures:
The gallery has an excellent collection of modern art.
an exhibition of Native American art
Peggy Guggenheim was one of the twentieth century's great art collectors.
The Frick is an art gallery in New York.

4 [C] an activity through which people express particular ideas:
Drama is an art that is traditionally performed in a theatre.
Do you regard film as entertainment or as an art?
She is doing a course in the performing arts.

5 [C] a skill or special ability:
the art of conversation
Getting him to go out is quite an art

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I checked.

Nowhere does it say, putting needles into your face and then getting hit in the head with a breeze block is considered art.

And that's the Oxford Dictionary

And don't give me any of that interpretation shit over point 1


and what art school did you go to? not a very good one if one at all i take it
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Old 07-28-2009, 07:21 PM   #114
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At least it's nice that everyone's talking about something.

Although I do agree this stuff is pretty stupid.
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Old 07-28-2009, 07:22 PM   #115
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That last clip with the scissors is downright disgusting

Why the fuck does anyone find that entertaining

Christ why were at it why don't we just shoot and kill a guy in the middle of the ring

I better be careful I might give some scumbag promoter an idea


And anyone who mutilates their body like that needs their head examined
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Old 07-28-2009, 07:26 PM   #116
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mad man pondo, i actually believe that he likes it
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Old 07-28-2009, 07:27 PM   #117
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None of these garbage wrestlers could withstand the pain in one Khali Chop.
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and what art school did you go to? not a very good one if one at all i take it
I went to no art school

I did however get a description of a word based from Cambridge University, which most probably also teaches art.
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if russo booked hardcore wrestling
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