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Old 09-03-2009, 05:16 AM   #41
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It has nothing to do with you knowledge or anyone elses but rather when told the proper information you disregard it by saying your going to blame whoever you want..... so i ask you... are you really that gay?
Are you autistic? Only way I can imagine you took that post seriously.
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Old 09-03-2009, 05:21 AM   #42
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and incidental nut shots are going to hinder that? Its not like theyre a new occurance. If a doc thinks its bad enough, the fights over. obviously he didnt.
No but letting someone fight on just so that they can be demolished will hinder it. All it takes is one stupid move like this, a fighter dies or gets crippled and then the sport gets the sort of attention it doesn't need.

Other stuff like Dan Henderson pounding Bisping's head when he knew Bisping was already out. Lesnar behaving like an animal (I know Dana White criticised this). That's just in recent weeks.
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Old 09-03-2009, 05:27 AM   #43
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Dana did get up Hendo about the flying hendo bomb, and (I believe) Hendo apologised about it. (Bisping also had no hard feelings).

Also you can't really say if Chris was out of it or not, as Gonzaga hit him with a kick that would have taken him out whether he was good or not. He also still managed to keep Gonzaga from having absolute control, by getting out of mount and what not...so either way he put up a solid effort...kinda got off track there...
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Old 09-03-2009, 05:55 AM   #44
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I don't agree, it's pretty clear he could only hang on until Gonzaga could find the knock-out blow. Panic stations stuff. That's no longer a fight. The whole reason the ref has the power to stop the match is so he can rule that one guy has beaten another while limiting damage to both fighters. Gonzaga was in complete control from the nut shot then the head kick. The fight going on was a ludicrous spectacle, embarrassing. The head kick probably wouldn't have happened if not for the nutshot, but who knows? But there's more than enough doubt there to say the match should have been stopped for the safety of the fighter.
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That ref was incompetent, really. It is the same guy who missed Leben's tap out and let him get choked out, as someone said. Just another case of shit refs. The athletic commissions really need to put better effort into training referees.
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Bad refereeing isn't anything new to mma (unfortunately)
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Does anyone have a link to this, I can't make a judgement on it until I saw what hapened.
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Nevermind, it appears to be fucked. I'll pm you a link.
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The link appears to be fucked too but thanks for sending me that anyway.
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Thanks for that.

Fair play to the guy for coming back and fighting but he obviously didn't look 100% at all after that kick and he was an easy target for Gonzaga after it.
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At this past weekend's UFC 102 event at the Rose Garden Arena in Portland, Ore., the groin shot hurt plenty badly. Plenty badly.

But even more frustrating for UFC newcomer Chris Tuscherer was the lack of answers he received from Oregon State Athletic Commission officials after opponent Gabriel Gonzaga tagged him with one of the worst groin shots in MMA history.

On today's edition of MMAjunkie.com Radio (http://www.mmajunkie.com/radio), Tuscherer, who ultimately suffered a brutal knockout via head kick and follow-up punches, said that lack of information eventually led him to the disastrous decision to continue in the fight.

Early in the heavyweights' preliminary-card bout, Gonzaga caught Tuscherer, a Minnesota Martial Arts Academy fighter and teammate of Brock Lesnar's, square in the family jewels. While many such kicks ultimately graze the groin area and are intended for an inside leg, Tuscherer said the fighters' positioning led Gonzaga's to being a "straight up punt kick" to the junk.

"It's the most excruciating pain I've ever felt in my life," the 33-year-old said. "I'm still sore, but I'm luckily not getting worse."

Most infuriating, though, was what Tuscherer said was a complete lack of information about the fight's status. In a pivotal promotional debut, Tuscherer knew he needed to impress or risk getting cut from the UFC's roster. But even if he decided to continue and fight through the pain, which initially left him sprawled out on the canvas and dry heaving, Tuscherer didn't know if he'd be tagged with a loss, if the fight would be declared a no-contest, or if Gonzaga would suffer a disqualification defeat (something he said he absolutely didn't want happening).

"No one knew what was going on," he said. "Right now I think about it, and it's really screwed up because no one could tell me what was going on ... between the doctor and the referee. No one could tell me a straight answer on if I couldn't finish what would be the result. So I was out there and didn't know what to do."

"I asked the doctor many times what would happen if I can't continue. 'Is it a no-contest? What happens here?' And the doctor and the ref couldn't tell me. They kept passing the buck on to each other out there, so no one could tell me what was going on."

About that time, Lesnar came cageside to check on Tuscherer. The heavyweight champ first inquired on his training partner's health, at which time Tuscherer told him he thought, "My [testicle"> is up inside my body."

Ouch.

Ultimately, he felt like he was rushed into a decision.

"[color=#FF0000">So then the doctor is standing there and asking me if I can continue," said Tuscherer. "I'm like, 'What happens if I can't continue? I feel like my [testicle"> is up inside me.' The doctor said to me, 'Do you want to go in the back and look at it?' I'm thinking to myself, 'What the hell is this guy talking about? Does that mean we go in the back and check it out and come back and fight?' He couldn't tell me what would happen if I couldn't continue. So I'm sitting there thinking the worst. I don't want to take a loss because I can't continue, and you've got all these emotions going on, and it's your first UFC [event">. I'm a tough guy, and I have a stubborn head, but with it being my UFC debut, I didn't want to go out like that.

"So basically, I got pissed off and said, 'Let's just do it.'"[/color">

But even before that conversation, Tuscherer could be seen wrestling with officials. He said it was indicative of his frame of mind soon after the brutal kick first landed.

"I was passed out for whatever amount of time it was, and I had come to, and what I remember is that I thought I was on the ground fighting," Tuscherer said. "That's the part where you kind of see me going wild there. That was me coming to and thinking I was still fighting, and basically whoever was in front of me was who I was going after."

A couple minutes later, after the in-cage antics and decision to continue, Gonzaga picked up his third win in four fights and blasted a still-ailing Tuscherer with a kick to the head. The TKO stoppage came mere moments later.

Looking back, Tuscherer knows he should have never continued.

"All I was wondering was if it'd be a no-contest," he said. "Would that have been the deal? If someone could have been telling me ... it would have been a no-contest, I think my mind would have thought a little different that way. I would have thought to myself, 'Hey, we're not fighting on some small show here. This is a huge fight. I'm fighting a guy who's a top-10 heavyweight in the world. I've got to be a 100 percent if I'm going to be out here.'

"That's probably what would've went through my head."

Now stuck with just his second loss in 19 professional bouts, Tuscherer is just hopeful he'll get another shot in the UFC. After five years of professional fighting to get him to MMA's biggest stage, the former two-time NCAA Division II All-American wrestler just wants another shot to prove he belongs here.

"I talked to a few of the UFC guys on the night of that fight, and they apologized that it was done that way and that the Oregon State (Athletic) Commission didn't really know what was going on, that it was the first time [the UFC"> had been out there," he said. "I don't blame the UFC at all. I blame the other guys for not knowing what was going on. That's out of their hands, so I can't blame them.

"So I'm hoping they'll give me another shot so I can prove again that I do deserve to be out there. "
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Ok, so I take back my statements about him seeming to be ok. Fuckin ouch. Really shows that it was the refs/commisions fault here, pretty horrendius really...
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"I talked to a few of the UFC guys on the night of that fight, and they apologized that it was done that way and that the Oregon State (Athletic) Commission didn't really know what was going on, that it was the first time the UFC had been out there," he said. "I don't blame the UFC at all. I blame the other guys for not knowing what was going on. That's out of their hands, so I can't blame them.

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I don't agree, it's pretty clear he could only hang on until Gonzaga could find the knock-out blow. Panic stations stuff. That's no longer a fight. The whole reason the ref has the power to stop the match is so he can rule that one guy has beaten another while limiting damage to both fighters. Gonzaga was in complete control from the nut shot then the head kick. The fight going on was a ludicrous spectacle, embarrassing. The head kick probably wouldn't have happened if not for the nutshot, but who knows? But there's more than enough doubt there to say the match should have been stopped for the safety of the fighter.
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That ref was incompetent, really. It is the same guy who missed Leben's tap out and let him get choked out, as someone said. Just another case of shit refs. The athletic commissions really need to put better effort into training referees.
Incompetant refs are in every sport. refs fucking up calls that lead to harm for the competitors happen all the time and while shit needs to be done to improve the refs, its not going to harm the sport as a whole. It has gotten to the point where enough people are educated about it and know whats going on. Just look at how the croud cheered when randy escaped the choke while staying on the ground. That wouldnt have happened like 2 years ago.
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imo it was the docs/commisions fault more than the refs.
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the ref has the ultimate decision on what needs to be done in the fight and he couldnt make it
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It's situations like this that make me hate Dan "Early-Stoppage" Miragilotta less.

Say what you will about Dan Miragilotta all you want, he's a terrible ref. But at least he airs \on the side of caution and keeps the fighters safe.
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That fight should not have continued.
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