CM Punk needs clean and decisive victories over atleast 2 of the "Big 5" in the WWE

[Mogadishu]

Originally Posted by mike adamle He beat Jeff Hardy cleanly in TLC. He was THE man for most of this year, IMO.

I don't quite agree.

Jeff Hardy was another one of those guys that was never really a top guy despite being a multiple world champion. Reason? He never really ever got a clean and decisive victory, one-on-one, over any of "The Big 5." Maybe it's just me, but I think there's a difference between being a World champion, and being a legitimate #1 guy in the company...or on a show. It's the same reason why guys like Jericho, Booker T, Rey Mysterio, and many other world/WWE champions since 2002, have never really reached that upper echelon despite having been world champions.

These guys never beat ANY of "The Big 5"....cleanly and decisively.

Even if these guys managed to get a win over any of the Big 5, it was made to look as flukey as possible. Even a guy like Edge has never really had a big and clean win over someone like Undertaker, Triple H, John Cena, or Batista. Thankfully, Angle and Foley helped Edge out.

CM Punk is quite possibly the biggest ray of light that the WWE has had in years. I hope for their sake, that they don't screw him up.

[Kami Raki]

Originally Posted by Mogadishu I don't quite agree. Jeff Hardy was another one of those guys that was never really a top guy despite being a multiple world champion. Reason? He never really ever got a clean and decisive victory, one-on-one, over any of "The Big 5." Maybe it's just me, but I think there's a difference between being a World champion, and being a legitimate #1 guy in the company...or on a show. It's the same reason why guys like Jericho, Booker T, Rey Mysterio, and many other world/WWE champions since 2002, have never really reached that upper echelon despite having been world champions.

Jeff Hardy was the most over wrestler in the WWE this year bar none. Also, Booker T and Rey Mysterio are top talent. Fuck all this "They have to beat this guy and that guy" to be that credible.

[Mogadishu]

Originally Posted by Kami Raki Jeff Hardy was the most over wrestler in the WWE this year bar none. Also, Booker T and Rey Mysterio are top talent. Fuck all this "They have to beat this guy and that guy" to be that credible.

OK - put it this way.

I agree to a large extent that Jeff Hardy was the most over wrestler in the WWE this year. However, don't you think it would have done MORE for his credibility and overness had he beaten the likes of John Cena, Batista, Undertaker, and Orton?

Maybe it's just me, but I still don't get a sense that the casual fan puts the likes of Hardy, Punk, Booker T, Rey Mysterio, Chris Jericho, etc., on the same 'level' as Triple H, John Cena, and Undertaker. I think if the WWE really wants to create new top guys in the company, then they literally have to go over the top guys.

To be the man, you've got to beat the man anyone?!?!?

Think about Wrestlemania 14 and the months leading up to it: Yes - Stone Cold Steve Austin was far and away the biggest star in the company, but how great was it for his career to go cleanly over HBK at Wrestlemania that year?

How great was it for Austin to go cleanly over Undertaker at Summerslam that year? See what I mean?

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Originally Posted by Kami Raki Jeff Hardy was the most over wrestler in the WWE this year bar none. Also, Booker T and Rey Mysterio are top talent. Fuck all this "They have to beat this guy and that guy" to be that credible.

QFT.

Punk is over, he's the main heel on a show with both Jericho and Big Show as guys that could easily step up into the main event picture.

there is nothing wrong with a smarmy heel that gets victories with questionable results. thats how JBL got solidified.

if anything, it makes you want to see punk get his teeth kicked in even more!