Legit guys

[Fabien Barthez]

I've dug myself into nothing. You are discussing celebrity ego, the question was whether workers, who in reality are/were good fighters, were ever disgruntled about putting over workers who they felt confident they could beat in a shoot fight. I said no, and explained why... and now I have apprentely dug myself into a 'whole', with that statement being supported by a completely different argument, one which I have already separated from being relevant to this question.

Come on now. I am willing to play if you have an argument, but you can't retort with a DIFFERENT argument...

[Sixx]

Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez I've dug myself into nothing. You are discussing celebrity ego, the question was whether workers, who in reality are/were good fighters, were ever disgruntled about putting over workers who they felt confident they could beat in a shoot fight. I said no, and explained why... and now I have apprentely dug myself into a 'whole', with that statement being supported by a completely different argument, one which I have already separated from being relevant to this question. Come on now. I am willing to play if you have an argument, but you can't retort with a DIFFERENT argument...

You're kind of trying to persuade us that every wrestler thinks like you, because it's right. Sure, it's right, they probably shouldn't be bitching, but don't forget people have egos.

[Fabien Barthez]

Originally Posted by Sixx You're kind of trying to persuade us that every wrestler thinks like you, because it's right. Sure, it's right, they probably shouldn't be bitching, but don't forget people have egos.

No I am not. I am saying that most people come into the business and are made to understand the 'code' of being a wrestler. As a result, this archaic notion of alpha-dominance is stamped out in the learning process. I can only base this on shoots and other non-scripted, candid discussion I have seen over the years. Traditions like this are well documented by all sides of the industry. I have never heard of any wrestlers adopting this mindset in question with this thread.

And then a bunch of people began talking about ego/card position.... which we know full well exists, but is a totally separate discussion from the one brought up by this thread. Them arguments are about drawing power, and money. Nothing to do with physical confrontational dominance.

So have some guys had the mindset layed out in the original question asked? Maybe, who knows. Have they ever acted upon it? Hell no, because they know that that isn't at all relevant in the job they do.

I've seen shedloads of shoots and wrestling documentaries, and I have never heard of anyone having this frame of mind. And even if Taz did, I'm sure it didn't last very long.

You are talking about Kayfabe, and understanding Kayfabe is lesson number 1 in Pro Wrestling.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez No I am not. I am saying that most people come into the business and are made to understand the 'code' of being a wrestler. As a result, this archaic notion of alpha-dominance is stamped out in the learning process. I can only base this on shoots and other non-scripted, candid discussion I have seen over the years. Traditions like this are well documented by all sides of the industry. I have never heard of any wrestlers adopting this mindset in question with this thread. And then a bunch of people began talking about ego/card position.... which we know full well exists, but is a totally separate discussion from the one brought up by this thread. Them arguments are about drawing power, and money. Nothing to do with physical confrontational dominance. So have some guys had the mindset layed out in the original question asked? Maybe, who knows. Have they ever acted upon it? Hell no, because they know that that isn't at all relevant in the job they do. I've seen shedloads of shoots and wrestling documentaries, and I have never heard of anyone having this frame of mind. And even if Taz did, I'm sure it didn't last very long. You are talking about Kayfabe, and understanding Kayfabe is lesson number 1 in Pro Wrestling.

I don't think the question is a matter of kayfabe. I think it actually ties more to the ego thing. Does a tough guy think he should be a bigger star in a tough guy industry? William Regal and Taz are sort of indicative of a "yes." I don't think there is a blanket statement to be made here, but of course it would be possible.