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Old 10-15-2009, 08:47 PM   #41
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Knee jerk noid post.
Same can be said for any post where you jerk Triple H and Michaels while on your knees.
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Also, Randy Orton seems like a guy that has definitely been throwing around his weight recently. Isn't be believed to be behind the actual contract releases of Mr. Kennedy and Nick Dinsmore?
Didnt he help Eugene get his job back in the first place?
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Old 10-15-2009, 09:17 PM   #43
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Same can be said for any post where you jerk Triple H and Michaels while on your knees.
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Old 10-15-2009, 09:21 PM   #44
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I'm liking the way SD! is getting ran right now. There are backstage skits, good wrestling, decent fueds, and CM Punk. RAW has been pretty decent lately but it does seem like we get the same main events every week.

As much as people will bitch about it, the only IMO right now to solve stale programming is to stop the brand split or get rid of ECW's show. Its not like its "ECW" anyway. Go ahead and move those stars to RAW and SD! and freshen the product up a little bit.

Then again, maybe everything is stale to everyone because Edge isn't there.
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Didnt he help Eugene get his job back in the first place?
My selective memory wont allow me to process that question
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Old 10-15-2009, 09:55 PM   #46
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taker doesn't take long ass unnecessary promos when they could be showing off talent
Gotta disagree. Every one of Taker's promos are the same. It's dark, I'm going to take your soul.
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Old 10-15-2009, 10:02 PM   #47
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taker doesn't take long ass unnecessary promos when they could be showing off talent
I dunno. On the rare occasions he shows up to wrestle, his entrance takes about six weeks worth of DX Promo time.
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Old 10-15-2009, 10:49 PM   #48
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This seems to be based partially on the past history of HBK & HHH and how stale and predictable the main event is right now on RAW.

Main event is just HBK/HHH, The Legacy, Orton, and Cena. So either you get a DX tag win, Legacy tag win, Orton rare win, or the usual Cena overcoming the odds win.
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Old 10-15-2009, 11:02 PM   #49
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Incidentally, exactly who has Michaels "held down" since his return in '02?
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Old 10-15-2009, 11:04 PM   #50
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Gotta disagree. Every one of Taker's promos are the same. It's dark, I'm going to take your soul.
Did you bother to read what you quoted? He was talking about the length of his promos, not the content.
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Old 10-15-2009, 11:23 PM   #51
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Yeah, seriously. HHH and HBK have done more for Dibiase and Rhodes then they deserved. HBK hasn't been near a world title in years.

Hell, HBK was sitting at home for six months; he hasn't been there long enough to hold anyone down, and he's the guy who perpetrated the first DX tap-out to the New Kids. This is utter silliness.

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Taker rarely shows up to work.

This is also true. I like the guy and all, but he's taken more time off than... O.k., I don't have any clever comparisons, but he takes a lot of freakin' vacations. I doubt he'd care too much about holding people down when he's fully aware of his limited future.
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Old 10-15-2009, 11:24 PM   #52
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Shit, I got it! He takes more down time than unionized geese! SHAZAAM!
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Old 10-16-2009, 03:15 AM   #53
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Didnt he help Eugene get his job back in the first place?
Yeah, and then he got rid of it.
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Old 10-16-2009, 03:19 AM   #54
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Incidentally, exactly who has Michaels "held down" since his return in '02?
I'm not saying he has been holding people down, but not dominating everyone in he ring =/= not keeping down.
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Old 10-16-2009, 06:45 AM   #55
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I wouldn't be shocked if this story were true, but I just can't figure out who they're holding down. Christian?
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I'm not saying he has been holding people down, but not dominating everyone in he ring =/= not keeping down.
Good lord, cool the multiple negatives. Somebody's going to get hurt reading crap like that.
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And whatever you were trying to say, it still doesn't answer the question, and it sounds like you're suggesting that "holding down" can mean pretty much anything you want it to mean.
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Good lord, cool the multiple negatives. Somebody's going to get hurt reading crap like that.
This thread is going to hurt people.
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Old 10-16-2009, 08:36 AM   #59
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I fucking hate Raw, mainly because of the 4 guys already mentioned.

70% of the show is for them, and has been for along time, they are holding guys down IMO, but taking up too much time for themselves. Not saying it’s their fault, it’s the companies fault. HHH always does the D-X thing in the summer, so he can take a breather away from the title, he’ll gain interest again around December and then be in the main event for Mania………….AGAIN.

THAT, is how you hold people down.

Let look at new stars that have actually been created on Raw within the past few years:

CM Punk: At a push, but I wouldn’t say Raw made him, he had a 2 month title run, then never saw a sniff of it again
Jeff Hardy: Great feud with Orton granted, but then messed up his own life, extenuating circumstances for that one, granted. Who knows where that was going, but I never saw him becoming Raw champ

Ummm, you’d have to go as far back to Mania 21 for when HHH made Batista I think. That’s the next one I can think off really.

And that’s why I hate Raw
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I think Jeff Hardy would have won the WWE Title, if only because he was likely going to win Money in the Bank one year. I'd like to imagine that would have freshened up RAW's main event scene, but it didn't really work for CM Punk (originally).

Cody Rhodes & Ted DiBiase are maybes. Shawn Michaels did tap out to them, but he did tap out to them at the same time. Would he tap out to either one in singles competition? Also, you'll find that guys in top spots will "put a guy over" either in a really long match or by actually losing to them a few times. When they don't get anywhere (because of their booking afterwards), it gives the WWE and the guys with the top spots currently and excuse to say "Well, that didn't work."

And it's not that I think Triple H and Shawn Michaels should be jobbing left right and centre. Nor do I think there is no merit to them still being in the main event scene. To be honest, right now, I cannot think of a better RAW main event at WrestleMania 26 than Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels, actually. There is just more of a stagnant pattern to how things go on RAW.
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BTW

I don’t consider a man tapping out to holds applied by 2 men to be ‘putting them over’
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I don’t consider a man tapping out to holds applied by 2 men to be ‘putting them over’
Either way, it happened. And the WWE made a big deal of it.

Although, admittedly, Legacy's loss at HiaC made NO sense.
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Glad to see some common sense coming over in parts of this thread.

People may well be getting bored of DX being on top when they turn on the TV, but the fact is that the crowds remain hot for them and they, especially HBK, can still produce world class matches.

I read one quote comparing this situation to the old WCW which is just bullshit - how many matches of such quality did Hogan, Hall, Nash et all pull out of the bag when they were running that show? At least thse two have the goods to back it up.

The reference to John Cena/Randy Orton is simply laughable. John Cena remains one of, if not the most 'over' talent in the WWE. Good reaction or bad, there is always a reaction - that's him doing his job and doing it well, not hogging the spotlight.

Orton? He's just fantastic. I watched his promo and match against Mick Foley at Backlash from around 2004 and the way he he is now so totally into his mentally-unstable character is great. You actually believe he is unbalanced. He's also great in the ring, too.

Just another item of sloppy, lazy wrestling internet reporting from where I sit.

The way they are building Legacy/The Miz on Raw is NOT in-keeping with this talk that everyone is being held back. Fans are reacting to the Miz and Legacy are getting bigger and bigger each week - slow, gradual development over a year or so - not rammed down our throats like in the past.

No complaints from me...

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Old 10-16-2009, 10:58 AM   #64
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Old 10-16-2009, 11:01 AM   #65
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BDC doesn't give oral to anyone. Not named Kevin Nash.
See its funny you say that. You forgotten that lazy summers afternoon already?

I enjoyed myself that day.

You were of acceptable standard.
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Old 10-16-2009, 12:05 PM   #68
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They are putting over legacy aren't they?
IMO, 'putting over' isn't letting someone pin you, so long as you get the pin at the next PPV, therefore ending the fued coming out as the final victor.
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Old 10-16-2009, 12:25 PM   #69
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IMO, 'putting over' isn't letting someone pin you, so long as you get the pin at the next PPV, therefore ending the fued coming out as the final victor.
That really did ruin it.
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Either way, it happened. And the WWE made a big deal of it.

Although, admittedly, Legacy's loss at HiaC made NO sense.
I have to disagree. Believe it or not, I think putting DX over at Hell in a Cell was not a bad move. They have more of that sort of match experience, and they are the faces in the feud. Like it or not, they're the ones that are meant to be moving the merchandise.

My big problem with Legacy's wins are that they almost had to win. They needed some credibility after being Orton's whipping boys for so long, and they needed a compelling reason to do another match. I don't completely agree with what Rammsteinmad said, but losing to a guy if it's just so you can do a rubber match where you go over isn't exactly "putting someone over."

Wins need to be built on. The Submission Match victory for Legacy was pretty much just to set up their Hell in a Cell loss. What Rhodes & DiBiase could use is development. It seems we might be seeing that now, with Cody Rhodes in Team RAW, pinning Cena, and DiBiase getting a fall over Orton. I think their separate development might do more for them than any single win could.
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Incidentally, exactly who has Michaels "held down" since his return in '02?
Not a damn person. Except maybe Essa Rios, but he was doomed to failure anyways.
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Old 10-16-2009, 02:20 PM   #72
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Not a damn person. Except maybe Essa Rios, but he was doomed to failure anyways.
There's the other side of the coin though,

As apposed to who have they buried. Who have they made? That should be their job as well IMO
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There's the other side of the coin though,

As apposed to who have they buried. Who have they made? That should be their job as well IMO
You bring UP a damn good point. I mean compare for a second. Didn't The Rock help build up The Hurricane? Only to have HHH bury him shortly there after? Shelton Benjamin was the exact same was he not? Granted I'm probably wandering off topic here a bit, but still. I do agree with you that as veterans who are gradually stepping down, they should help make the "future stars" they claim nobody can be. I guess in a sense you could say DX made or helped make Legacy, but I think that was more Orton's doing above all else. Imagine though if HHH were to make let's say Evan Bourne? Or say HBK were to make MVP? What about Undertaker making Charlie Haas? Granted I'm sure none of this makes any damned sense, it doesn't completely to me, but it's all a fool's dream I guess you could say?
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As apposed to who have they buried. Who have they made? That should be their job as well IMO
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I don't really care about all this but is it weird that Shawn Michaels got his ass handed to him for like 20 minutes at Hell In A Cell and the second Triple H came to the ring he was totally fine?
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I don't really care about all this but is it weird that Shawn Michaels got his ass handed to him for like 20 minutes at Hell In A Cell and the second Triple H came to the ring he was totally fine?
He's either over selling or not selling at all.
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I don't really care about all this but is it weird that Shawn Michaels got his ass handed to him for like 20 minutes at Hell In A Cell and the second Triple H came to the ring he was totally fine?
Ssshh, that's the past now, don't remember it.
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