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Shawn Michaels 44 56.41%
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Old 10-30-2009, 11:35 PM   #41
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Shawn, without a doubt. Yes, the Rock was better on the mic, but he could never touch HBK in the ring. Plus, HBK has been around a hell of a lot longer than Rocky, and has been consistently better.
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Old 10-30-2009, 11:49 PM   #42
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Old 10-31-2009, 12:26 AM   #43
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Old 10-31-2009, 12:42 AM   #44
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The Rock. He was much more over as a face and a heel during the hottest time in the history of pro wrestling.

Quite possibly the greatest heel of all time, in 1997 he had fans chanting for his death and by 1998 he had them chanting his name.

His heel work in 2003 was out of this world.

He was more popular (face and heel), sold more tickets, and IMO a better worker than the heart break kid.
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Honestly the WWF was at its peak when he was on top, it was near its bottom when HBK was on top.
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Old 10-31-2009, 12:48 AM   #46
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Old 10-31-2009, 12:52 AM   #47
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Come on TPDUB! I can't sit here and possible watch HBK lose again to The Rock! And yes I know The Rock was no slouch in the ring, and he handled a mic pretty damn good as well. One of the many greats I could say I witnessed his entire career. But HBK IS the greatest ever! (IMO of course)

HBK gets the check mark without even thinking twice.
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Old 10-31-2009, 01:24 AM   #48
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Honestly the WWF was at its peak when he was on top, it was near its bottom when HBK was on top.
Was thinking this too.
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Old 10-31-2009, 01:31 AM   #49
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That has a lot more to do with the state of the business at the time than the two wrestlers being discussed
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Honestly the WWF was at its peak when he was on top, it was near its bottom when HBK was on top.
I'm sure it being at its peak had nothing to do with a guy by the name of Stone Cold Steve Austin?

Also, comparing the two time periods is a little unfair. The business was at a low when Michaels was on top for many other reasons. And if you really want to get technical here, who helped usher in the ever-popular Attitude era? Shawn Michaels.
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Old 10-31-2009, 12:15 PM   #51
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Honestly the WWF was at its peak when he was on top, it was near its bottom when HBK was on top.
The Rock also had a little known man named "Stone" Cold Steve Austin to help him to get WWE to its peak.
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Old 10-31-2009, 01:01 PM   #52
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The Austin being there argument doesn't work for me. Fact is Michaels was big fish in a small pond, and Rock was one of the two biggest fish in the ocean.

And, were Michaels as good as people think, the business would have been better. Rock became a crossover star that most of the world knew about. Michaels remains a hero to a small crowd.

None of this really matters if you're just sticking to the wrestling part, but I'd say that any comparison of their star power is totally ridiculous.
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Old 10-31-2009, 01:07 PM   #53
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How relevant is star power to a Better Wrestler competition? Are you factoring in the Scorpion King when you weigh it against HBK's Iron Man match?
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Old 10-31-2009, 01:18 PM   #54
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Saying that he was a big fish in a small pond is a bit of an exaggeration. I suppose that claim could be made for a short time after WCW raped a bunch of talent away but even then you had The Undertaker, Bret Hart, Owen Hart, British Bulldog, Sid, Vader, Mankind, Ahmed Johnson, The Nation of Domination, etc. All of those guys were fairly big names at the time.

And even if you could somehow justify that argument, what about now? I guess he's in a small pond now as well? I mean he's one of the top performers in the company now as we speak in a talent pool consisting of Orton, Trips, UT, CM Punk, Bats, Rey, Edge, Christian, Jericho, Show, etc. I think you're embellishing your point a bit. He's one of the greatest wrestling performers ever in every era he's been apart of.
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Old 10-31-2009, 02:06 PM   #55
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i've decided through this entire run of HBK's that i don't think i'd put anybody over HBK in Better Wrestler. there's just nobody i can think of that compares. yes, the rock was amazing at what he did, one of the best. but not the best.
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Old 10-31-2009, 02:40 PM   #56
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That was all Bret Hart, right there.
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Old 10-31-2009, 04:08 PM   #57
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How relevant is star power to a Better Wrestler competition? Are you factoring in the Scorpion King when you weigh it against HBK's Iron Man match?
Ask Vince McMahon.

Either way, I think Rock's an all around better wrestler, better entertainer, and better WWF Superstar.
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Old 10-31-2009, 05:10 PM   #59
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Well, I'm not going to dispute your opinion of The Rock being an overall better wrestler than HBK. It's not like you're comparing HBK to Kung Fu Naki or anything. They are two of the all time greats.

In my opinion though, Michaels wins this. He was a staple of the WWF when he was on top back in the day and has been a staple ever since his return in 2000. I say he beats The Rock out in terms of in-ring performance and in terms of longevity. Of course it's all up to interpretation but that's my two cents.
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Interesting. The last time we did this match I voted for The Rock... yet this time I voted for HBK! How ironic.
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That was all Bret Hart, right there.
LOL. Hardly. HBK wound them all up into an absolute frenzy. Look at them, they are all spiteful, raging messes because of that promo. It was brilliant to face it all head on like that and HBK gave one hell of a promo. Once again, just a bitter Hart mark trying to downplay the greatness of HBK. That's all.
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LOL. Hardly. HBK wound them all up into an absolute frenzy. Look at them, they are all spiteful, raging messes because of that promo. It was brilliant to face it all head on like that and HBK gave one hell of a promo. Once again, just a bitter Hart mark trying to downplay the greatness of HBK. That's all.
Dude, people were chanting for Bret that night well before the show went on air. If you recall, this happened after Bret and Vince shook hands together for his dvd. There was a lot of speculation going on that maybe Bret would show up. It doesnt take much to get a Montreal crowd to chant for Bret. And because of what happened years ago to Bret, in front of that very crowd, it wouldnt take much effort for Shawn to get major heat, which is what he got from the get go. He didnt have to say anything, he already had that reaction.
If anything, it's the crowd forcing shawn to go in this direction. It's not like he played the crowd. The crowd was already reacting this way, chanting these things no matter what HBK did or didnt do.
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I'm not saying that the Canadian fans aren't naturally ridiculously bitter because they are. Shawn just got them worked up out of their minds. To say it wasn't a great promo would be pretty dense.

Not gonna turn this into a HBK vs Bret war. That already happened.
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Also, if the Rock doesn't win here I think Round 100 should involve 2 IWC powerhouse right off the bat. No dilly dallying around. Death match first round. BOOM.
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I'm not saying that the Canadian fans aren't naturally ridiculously bitter because they are. Shawn just got them worked up out of their minds. To say it wasn't a great promo would be pretty dense.

Not gonna turn this into a HBK vs Bret war. That already happened.
To say all Canadian fans are ridiculously bitter is also being very dense. Canadian fans chant for Bret and boo Shawn because it's more of a tradition now than anything. Besides, Vince and HBK just use it as a cheap source of heat now anyways.
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To say all Canadian fans are ridiculously bitter is also being very dense. Canadian fans chant for Bret and boo Shawn because it's more of a tradition now than anything. Besides, Vince and HBK just use it as a cheap source of heat now anyways.
Being Canadian, I completely agree...... only I like HBK then and still do, but I loved booing the fuck out of Earl Hebner
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Old 10-31-2009, 09:04 PM   #69
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Forgive me for not personally interviewing every Canadian fan that was at the event that night. Whether they were all bitter or all just pretending to be bitter (Which you have to understand is pretty confusing), my point remains the same. HBK gave a great promo and got ridiculous heat for it.
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Old 10-31-2009, 09:39 PM   #71
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Old 10-31-2009, 11:03 PM   #73
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Forgive me for not personally interviewing every Canadian fan that was at the event that night. Whether they were all bitter or all just pretending to be bitter (Which you have to understand is pretty confusing), my point remains the same. HBK gave a great promo and got cheap heat for it.
Fixed that for you. It's really tough to work the crowd when you screwed over Canada's most famous wrestler and continuously bring it up.
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As much as I'd love to get into another generic cookie cutter Bret vs Shawn argument that's been repeated 1000 times, this thread has nothing to do with Bret Hart. It's Shawn Michaels vs The Rock.

Let's celebrate Michaels presumably entering his rightful place into the Better Wrestler Hall of Fame.
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Come on TPDUB! I can't sit here and possible watch HBK lose again to The Rock! And yes I know The Rock was no slouch in the ring, and he handled a mic pretty damn good as well. One of the many greats I could say I witnessed his entire career. But HBK IS the greatest ever! (IMO of course)

HBK gets the check mark without even thinking twice.
I agree. HBK is without question the best ever, in my opinion.
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Old 11-02-2009, 06:00 AM   #77
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It's likely that Michaels is blocking a lot of people entering the Hall of Fame so maybe we'll get more people in as a result of him being in already.
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Well only Bret and Flair but still...
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