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Old 11-03-2009, 06:21 PM   #1
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Whether people want to admit it or not, being a World Heavyweight Champion on RAW has 10x more significance than being a World Heavyweight Champion on Smackdown.
It's this mentality by a large portion of wrestling fans that is hurting ECW and SD more than anything.
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Old 11-03-2009, 06:35 PM   #2
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It's this mentality by a large portion of wrestling fans that is hurting ECW and SD more than anything.
???

That's an absurd comment.

How about the fact that the WWE THEMSELVES make the RAW World title be made to look far more prestigious which is WHY the marks think as such.

There's a reason why guys like Jeff Hardy and CM Punk have been world champions on Smackdown, but not on RAW.

You are completely and utterly delusional if you think that the WWE doesn't position the RAW Heavyweight title to be far more prestigious than the Smackdown Heavyweight title.
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Old 11-03-2009, 06:39 PM   #3
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???

That's an absurd comment.

How about the fact that the WWE THEMSELVES make the RAW World title be made to look far more prestigious which is WHY the marks think as such.

There's a reason why guys like Jeff Hardy and CM Punk have been world champions on Smackdown, but not on RAW.

You are completely and utterly delusional if you think that the WWE doesn't position the RAW Heavyweight title to be far more prestigious than the Smackdown Heavyweight title.
I see what you're saying, but just because WWE says it is, doesn't mean you have to fall in line and accept it.

In my mind, CM Punk is just as prestigious a champion as John Cena and Randy Orton. It's all in the way you watch these shows.

By your logic, Batista, Edge and the Undertaker rank lower as champions than John Cena and Randy Orton. You can chose to accept that as fact, but I just don't see it that way.

WWE also tells me that John Cena is one of the best wrestlers ever, doesn't mean I have to believe it or accept it.
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Old 11-03-2009, 06:57 PM   #4
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I see what you're saying, but just because WWE says it is, doesn't mean you have to fall in line and accept it.

In my mind, CM Punk is just as prestigious a champion as John Cena and Randy Orton. It's all in the way you watch these shows.

By your logic, Batista, Edge and the Undertaker rank lower as champions than John Cena and Randy Orton. You can chose to accept that as fact, but I just don't see it that way.

WWE also tells me that John Cena is one of the best wrestlers ever, doesn't mean I have to believe it or accept it.
Batista and Undertaker have both been the #1 guy in the company at some point throughout their careers (i.e. Bats in 05', and Taker back in his day), and so of course, they would never be perceived by the fans as being 'lower ranked champions.'


I guess the ultimate point I'm making is this: RAW is still being pegged as the #1 show, while a guy like Triple H is still being pegged as the absolute best in the business (in an indirect way). It would be MUCH better for a guy like CM Punk to actually get a clean victory over a guy like Triple H in a big PPV main-event at some point.

At some point - it would be awesome to push a guy like CM Punk in the same manner that John Cena and Dave Batista were. That's all I'm saying.

Until that happens, Punk will never become the star, or achieve the credibility, that the WWE wants. This goes for ANY young and promising star in the WWE.
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:21 AM   #5
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Batista and Undertaker have both been the #1 guy in the company at some point throughout their careers (i.e. Bats in 05', and Taker back in his day), and so of course, they would never be perceived by the fans as being 'lower ranked champions.'


I guess the ultimate point I'm making is this: RAW is still being pegged as the #1 show, while a guy like Triple H is still being pegged as the absolute best in the business (in an indirect way). It would be MUCH better for a guy like CM Punk to actually get a clean victory over a guy like Triple H in a big PPV main-event at some point.

At some point - it would be awesome to push a guy like CM Punk in the same manner that John Cena and Dave Batista were. That's all I'm saying.

Until that happens, Punk will never become the star, or achieve the credibility, that the WWE wants. This goes for ANY young and promising star in the WWE.
Uh, hello? Undertaker is the top guy on SD! right now, and I know your view is that the big gold World Heavyweight Championship means more prestige for guys who have held it while on RAW, presumably because that's where Eric Bischoff first introduced it as a main event title in the WWE.

However, (NEVER thought I'd see myself type this next part) I must agree with Juan that it doesn't really matter which show holds the WWE title and which one holds the World Heavyweight title. By using your very same logic as a devil's advocate thing here, I could, although, inaccurately, biasedly (if that's even a word) say that the World Heavyweight Championship is more prestigious on SD! because the first time it was held by someone on SD! it wasn't awarded to them, the way Triple H's title was by Bischoff. Doesn't make it true.

When you take a good hard look at who was on what brands when they won the World title, I think you'd have to admit that your statement that the World title is more prestigious on RAW than on SD! is utterly ridiculous.
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Old 11-04-2009, 02:29 AM   #6
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Uh, hello? Undertaker is the top guy on SD! right now, and I know your view is that the big gold World Heavyweight Championship means more prestige for guys who have held it while on RAW, presumably because that's where Eric Bischoff first introduced it as a main event title in the WWE.
No. My view is that the RAW Heavyweight Championship is more prestigious than that of Smackdown's, due to the way that the WWE themselves have positioned it.

Why do you think the WWE moved Jeff Hardy over to Smackdown, as opposed to letting him stay on RAW back in 2008? Why do you think guys like Edge, Big Show (post 2003), Booker T, RVD, Rey Mysterio, etc. all become world champions on shows OTHER than RAW?

Why do you think that for most Wrestlemania's, the RAW main-event is the final match on the card? (and that whenever Smackdown has the 'final title match' on the card, it always involves Undertaker winning?).


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However, (NEVER thought I'd see myself type this next part) I must agree with Juan that it doesn't really matter which show holds the WWE title and which one holds the World Heavyweight title. By using your very same logic as a devil's advocate thing here, I could, although, inaccurately, biasedly (if that's even a word) say that the World Heavyweight Championship is more prestigious on SD! because the first time it was held by someone on SD! it wasn't awarded to them, the way Triple H's title was by Bischoff. Doesn't make it true.

When you take a good hard look at who was on what brands when they won the World title, I think you'd have to admit that your statement that the World title is more prestigious on RAW than on SD! is utterly ridiculous.
RAW is the clear cut #1 show and the World title (whichever World title it is) is always THE #1 belt whenever it is on RAW. Period.

As much as we want guys like Jeff Hardy, CM Punk, etc. to be seen in the same light as Cena, Orton, Batista, and Triple H, the WWE does see them as such....and does not regard them as such.


THIS is what needs to be changed in my opinion.

Winning a world title does not hold as much significance nowadays as it once did....especially if this world title victory comes on Smackdown (CM Punk), ECW (Christian), or even on RAW if one is positioned as a transitional champ (Jericho). The one TRUE thing that really matters, is if you are pushed as THE #1 guy in the company (and this is no longer synonymous with being world champ).

The ONLY way a guy be a legit #1 guy in the company right now (i.e. the "face" of the company), is if they have a lengthy World Heavyweight title reign......on RAW.....AND a 100% clean victory is obtained over Triple H.

This is why guys like John Cena and Dave Batista became as big as they did. It's also one reason why Chris Benoit's victory in 2004 was so huge (although unfortunately for Benoit, he was pushed as a transitional champ).

It is also the reason why Edge, as many World titles as he's won, and as much of the man that he is, has NEVER been considered to be the "#1 guy in the company" at any point in his career. I truly hope that changes within the next few years.
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