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Old 12-07-2009, 01:12 AM   #41
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any timetable on when they plan to debut him?
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Old 12-07-2009, 01:38 AM   #42
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This may seem like an odd idea, but split up Cryme Tyme and put Shad in there. Him and Gallows could make a pretty badass "power" tag team, they'd be awesome bodyguards for Punk, and Shad could talk about how Punk saved him from a life of Crime.

Plus, JTG could feud with Shad, and maybe even have a one on one with Punk, which would get him over as a singles guy.
I was truthfully going to suggest Shad Gaspard. But then, he hasn't exactly won a shit-load of championships, either. The guy has also been absorbing falls recently, possibly in relation to the situation where he missed one episode of SmackDown!.
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Old 12-07-2009, 01:52 AM   #43
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I was truthfully going to suggest Shad Gaspard. But then, he hasn't exactly won a shit-load of championships, either. The guy has also been absorbing falls recently, possibly in relation to the situation where he missed one episode of SmackDown!.

I believe he missed one episode of Smackdown due to being ill....if the episode that you are referring to is the episode where they switched the members of the SD Bragging Rights Tag Team members, he was out with the H1N1 flu....totally legit.....otherwise I have no idea what your reference was here....sorry if I was mistaken in what you were referencing to.
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Old 12-07-2009, 01:56 AM   #44
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I completely get what Dale is saying. You can reinvent all these guys all you want and the group will get heat, but you really have to look at the identities of the individuals. If you have a group with a mission statement that is too cult-like, your guys tend to blend together so that even though the crowd is booing, they're booing the group as an entity, not the individuals. If you make a straight edge group, the crowd will boo, but it will be because they hate CM Punk, not because the group itself is a success.

That's one of the differences between the RTC and DX. RTC was over, but they used a bunch of guys who were kind of floundering in the mid-card and gave them this mission statement gimmick where it was "Yeah, we're the RTC." When RTC broke up, the players went back to doing nothing. Same with DOA and Los Boriquas. With DX you had a group that was successful and you had individuals that continued to be successful (relative to the other groups I mentioned) because they had identities that weren't derived from the group. Right now Luke Gallows looks like a CAW that CM Punk brings to the ring with him.
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Old 12-07-2009, 01:59 AM   #45
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Old 12-07-2009, 02:11 AM   #46
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I guess we just disagree. Luke Gallows is far from a jobber. As Festus, he was booked to hang with The Undertaker. Right now, he has been running rough-shed over guys like Matt Hardy and R-Truth. Neither of those men is a jobber, and in fact, both are very over components of SmackDown!.

Bryan Danielson would be new, which does not equate to a jobber. If they bring him in and talk up his pedigree, and give him the same sort of credibility that they have lended Sheamus or Drew McIntyre, then he won't look like a jobber at all. He'll just be some straight-edge guy that CM Punk brought in, who is kicking ass. Maria is a Diva, she should not count as a jobber. The only problem with her joining is that it leaves Mickie James as like the only female babyface on the brand -- but a Beth Phoenix turn would be possible. But hell, they could go the other way and have Gallows call Maria an "enabler," and go after her, while some guy stands up for Maria, and Punk just grins knowing the past between him and Miss Kanellis. Get a more dominant woman like Phoenix to join.

Curt Hawkins, in my opinion, is PERFECT for the group. He's been gone a long time and could use the re-invention. Apparently his new look is right up the emo/alternative alley. Hawkins' character is already established as a challenger. He is not only one of the youngest champions in WWE history, but he is also one of the youngest men to be involved in a WrestleMania main event (The Undertaker vs. Edge). He was meant to be going straight to the top, but then Zack Ryder left for ECW, and he was left with nothing but substances to get him through, and he almost drifted through the cracks as a result. Hawkins could talk about how gifted and talented he is, going as far as to call himself "a prodigy," and how CM Punk stopped his self-destructive ways from getting in the way of his career.

I just can't think of any guys currently established who would fit a straight-edge faction without it being a step-down for their characters. Maybe The Hart Dynasty? But aren't they fine doing their own thing?

At the end of the day people view Festus as a jobber because when he was "hanging" with the Undertaker (aka losing to him) it was a long time ago, since then he's lost a lot, and not been on t.v. Have you seen what's happened to Jesse?

Bryan Danielson is a no name guy. They can build him all they like and I am down with him being there, but noone knows who the fuck he is.

You can't have a stable where it's Festus, Danielson and Curt Hawkins. Jesus. We already have legacy... how about a stable where guys aren't total lackies? Dibiase and Rhodes had their little run against DX but at the end of the day they're just souped up lackies.

It would be cool if someone who's of higher profile like William Regal or something joined the group. I know he has his little stable in ECW but he'd be awesome with Punk. Regal isn't mega over but the audience at least has the slightest fucking clue who he is lol.

Curt Hawkins? Really? lol. Damnit Noid.
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Old 12-07-2009, 03:10 AM   #50
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I think Matt Hardy would have been a good fit if they had kept him heel, as he would dedicate his life to the straight-edged life style after seeing his brother's fall due to drugs.

The whole Jeff referencing has been beaten, I know, but I think it would have worked well in Matt's case, at least for his introduction to the stable.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and Danielson..as for his debut..I'd really just like to see him get over the simple way and have good, hard fought matches on ECW or SD! as a babyface against mid-carders and win over the audience in a "I respect this guy" type of deal.
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Old 12-07-2009, 03:21 AM   #51
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I think I'm more concerned than excited. I'm hopeful, but... I'm not sure why at this point.
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People know who he is. If you are a wrestling fan and you have access to the net, chances are you know who he is.
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Old 12-07-2009, 11:32 AM   #53
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Old 12-07-2009, 12:54 PM   #54
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WWE now is more "old school" than ever before, and they are using some sharp old school booking tactics to get the new guys over. I think that WWE must know what potential they have in Bryan Danielson, and unless they give him a horrible gimmick I think that he will succeed. He is one of the only guys who could go out there with a gimmick like Escobar, or Ziggler, or Swagger, and actually get it over just because his wrestling is so good. Just watch that Velocity match with Cena, that was years ago, before Cena was huge, and listen to the crowd pop for Danielson's offense. Now that was I belive 2003 or so, he is about 10 times more experienced and really more than a ring general, he is a ring Captian. Finlay gets over because he is a bad ass, American Dragon will do they same, and then some. They didn't waste Punk they won't waste Dragon.
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Old 12-07-2009, 12:54 PM   #55
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Old 12-07-2009, 01:30 PM   #56
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yea Jordn X i was thinking the same thing. when cm punk came to the wwe from the indy scene, everyone knew who he was because of the big impact he made, so since Am Drag is way more popular than cm punk was AND he is the superior wrestler, it's only common sense that Danielson won't be wasted.
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Chris Hero, davey Richards, the briscoes, Young bucks, Steen and Generico, OMega, Kenny King, and Austin Aries are the future.
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Old 12-07-2009, 02:05 PM   #58
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I would say you are right when it comes to Aries, I can't really see WWE using any other the others except maybe the Briscoe's or Steen and Generico. Richards should really go to TNA if he wants a good career. The Young Bucks are way to rednecky for WWE.
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Aries, The Briscoes, Kenny King and Hero could do a job for Vince at some point fo sho
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They're the "now" of the indies. But what makes you think they're giong to be anything more than they already are? We aren't in a landscape where these successful indy guys are given a platform to succeed.

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CM Punk thus far has been the only acception. And even then, it has been good success. Not glass ceiling breaking success. He's beaten Jeff Hardy and that's pretty much it.
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. I feel like each one of those names or teams i mentioned has the ability to get to either WWE or TNA. I don't think that kevin steen or el generico or either of the young bucks could make it on their own, but I mean the hardy's don't exactly look like the traditional pro wrestler, neither do a bunch of guys in WWE. these guys have amazing charisma and have nowhere to go but up or out.
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The fact that Hero has not been signed by the WWE is a damn shame.
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I am so iffy on Hero. Number one is his tights, I hate them, he just does not ever match and it is an eyesore and very cheap looking. Also, he isn't very graceful which seems to come off like a pro wrestler from the 70's like Brody(not really a bad thing, but he would have to be in FCW for over a year I think). I just don't see him in WWE or having success with TNA.
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Have you not seen him as of late?
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Hero has been getting into better shape every time I see him. He's been lookin sharp, and I do think he soon will get the call from the E. And yes I do think he can make it!
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but to answer the question at hand, I am VERY excited to see Dragon in the WWE!
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Yeah, I'd be suprised if he wasn't the next ROH guy to go except for maybe Claudio
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At the end of the day people view Festus as a jobber because when he was "hanging" with the Undertaker (aka losing to him) it was a long time ago, since then he's lost a lot, and not been on t.v. Have you seen what's happened to Jesse?

Bryan Danielson is a no name guy. They can build him all they like and I am down with him being there, but noone knows who the fuck he is.

You can't have a stable where it's Festus, Danielson and Curt Hawkins. Jesus. We already have legacy... how about a stable where guys aren't total lackies? Dibiase and Rhodes had their little run against DX but at the end of the day they're just souped up lackies.

It would be cool if someone who's of higher profile like William Regal or something joined the group. I know he has his little stable in ECW but he'd be awesome with Punk. Regal isn't mega over but the audience at least has the slightest fucking clue who he is lol.

Curt Hawkins? Really? lol. Damnit Noid.
Jesse is playing a comedy gimmick. Festus is playing a serious bad-ass role. Because of his size, Festus will get over as "Luke Gallows." Danielson may be a no-name guy, but you debut him strongly and suddenly he's a name. I don't see the problem there. Fuck, put him over John Morrison and talk about what an upset it is, and suddenly people care about him and his individual program with Morrison, as well as his part in Punk's army.

I get that you think they need a "name," but who would join? Shad has been thrown around, and he is a possibility. But he sort of makes Luke Gallows as the muscle redundant. Matt Hardy could join, but it'd be Matt playing second-fiddle, it'd be another heel turn. It could be cool, but what would Matt do with the role? Win the IC Title? Matt is surely above that by this stage in his career.

thedamndest is correct in what he is saying, but I think that "low-level guys going cult for Punk" thing is actually the best way to do it. The straight-edge thing is not going to work for every main eventer. It's Punk's story, and if you give that to another top star, it drains that away from Punk. Especially if you focus on them as individuals within the role.

The problem would be making sure that Punk's minions don't fade away into the character, and that could be easily avoided. Danielson could feud with Morrison, and that set of matches would be MOTY quality stuff. After that, people will be begging to see Danielson turn on Punk. Curt Hawkins has got a history with quite a few characters on the WWE roster. Zack Ryder is on ECW, granted, but Hawkins could start showing up on ECW and trying to convince Ryder to change his ways, or whatever.

If it were up to me, we'd be seeing an entirely different group based around CM Punk right now (one sponsored by Vince McMahon, including Drew McIntyre and Kane as the muscle), but I don't think a "Straight-Edge Army" consisting of main event guys is going to work.
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Old 12-08-2009, 02:22 AM   #73
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I wouldn't mind Shad and Luke Gallows in the group. The nWo had the Giant and Kevin Nash.

I would love to see a promo between Jericho and Punk. Jericho would call Punk a hypocrite for preaching to everyone about being drug-free when he has a Pepsi logo tattooed on his arm. He's clearly addicted to caffeine and that makes him a hypocrite and a sell out. It writes itself.
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Old 12-08-2009, 02:40 AM   #74
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I wouldn't mind Shad and Luke Gallows in the group. The nWo had the Giant and Kevin Nash.

I would love to see a promo between Jericho and Punk. Jericho would call Punk a hypocrite for preaching to everyone about being drug-free when he has a Pepsi logo tattooed on his arm. He's clearly addicted to caffeine and that makes him a hypocrite and a sell out. It writes itself.
That would be vastly entertaining, actually. I've been thinking about ways Jericho could turn face without becoming "goof" Jericho again. Heel Jericho is awesome, but the character constantly evolving could be cool. Punk vs. Jericho could even work as heel vs. heel if they market it as two of the most hated entities in the WWE destroying themselves.
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I didn't say main eventers, I said a Carlito, Shelton or Regal type


Read what I am saying Noid.
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I just had a thought, what if Danielson makes his debut at the Rumble, and fucking wins! That would be the best thing ever. I mean seriously, that would really set my year off to a good start. I know that is kind of lame, but if something that cool happened, I would feel good about 2010.
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Alright, but who? Shelton Benjamin would make sense, but right now he seems to be on a bit of a quasi-main event push (by ECW standards). Carlito could join, but he's looked like a joke lately. Honestly, if Danielson were to debut on RAW, I think one of the first people he would go over would be Carlito. Regal's also got his own stuff going on.

The WWE seem to have this thing with mid-carders currently where they either seem to be high for mid-card, or low for mid-card. Seriously, if you debut Curt Hawkins as one of the youngest champions in WWE history, one of the youngest men to ever be involved in a WrestleMania main event, and a former protoge of Edge, he would have just as much credibility as a Carlito type.
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I just had a thought, what if Danielson makes his debut at the Rumble, and fucking wins! That would be the best thing ever. I mean seriously, that would really set my year off to a good start. I know that is kind of lame, but if something that cool happened, I would feel good about 2010.
It's pure fantasy, but if the WWE were ever going to debut a new guy straight to the top -- Bryan Danielson would be one of the best candidates. He's got a pedigree, he's spent years in the business, he's got ties to lockerroom leaders, and he lives a clean lifestyle. Oh, and he is a tremendous worker.

If Danielson debuted and won the Royal Rumble or a World Title in his first match, it would be something that instantly grabbed people's attention with him. I don't think people would tune out. But it's just not the way the WWE works. Danielson is reportedly receiving other priviledges, though (like bypassing developmental).
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My God, I would jizz over a Shawn Michaels vs. Bryan Danielson for the WWE Championship at WrestleMania. Shawn Michaels can just win a Beat the Clock Challenge to qualify for the Rumble title shot by kicking some guy with Sweet Chin Music as the bell rings and getting the pin.

Then have Bryan Danielson enter the Rumble at #24, as Matt Striker can tell us on commentary "I've heard a lot about this guy! The Board of Directors gave him this Rumble spot because they expect big things from him!" John Cena enters the Rumble, as well, seeing as he is no longer WWE Champion. Have the final two in the match be Danielson and Cena. Danielson then manages to dump Cena over, and out comes Shawn Michaels to stare-down Danielson as Striker alludes to the history those two men share.

It'd NEVER happen, but it would be oddly captivating if it did.
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