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Old 12-11-2009, 01:54 PM   #521
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Fuck, was really hoping the Mets could bring Putz back and try to salvage something out of that failed deal.

I suppose they still can if Sean Green has a good full year with his new delivery.
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Can't get over how bad ESPN's baseball coverage is nowadays. MLB Network has all the great analysts (Reynolds, Plesac, Larkin) and reporters (Heyman, Rosenthal, and soonly Gammons), while ESPN has nobody (Kurkjian). Wouldn't be surprised to see Baseball Tonight take a hit this season.
I miss the old Ravech, Kruk, Reynolds and Gammons baseball tonight circa 2001ish.
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I miss the old Ravech, Kruk, Reynolds and Gammons baseball tonight circa 2001ish.
The days when baseball tonight kicked ass. But yeah its all about the MLB Network now. Anything with HR on it gets my ratings.
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Apparently the Yanks and Damon are $34M apart in negotiations. Yanks are offering 18M for 2 years and Damon wants 52M for 4 years.

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The Yankees just need to give Damon and Boras a deadline and move on if they don't come down (a lot) from that ridiculous asking price.
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Cashman was on Francesa this afternoon.

The gist of it was that a budget is in place and that he's not gonna go over it, period. So really, if Damon and Matsui are gonna have to take what they are offered, or go elseware. No negotiations, or nothing.
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Yankees won't be willing to offer 4 years to Damon, let alone that price, fucking ridiculous
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Old 12-11-2009, 07:47 PM   #528
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Damon has no leverage either after they got Granderson. They don't necessarily need him to come back.
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We don't really need Damon. But, I think we should do the Halladay approach. Right now I think the Yankees are just holding tight and waiting for Toronto to lower their asking price and as time goes by Toronto may get desperate and trade him for less. Now, with Damon we should just kick back and wait.

Remember Johnny Damon was the same person who initially asked for six or 7 years before he joined the Yankees.

I think we could hold tight and as time goes by sign Damon for less.
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Some sucker will fire Damon a contract. He's gonna have to take something cheap sooner or later. See Bobby Abreu last year.

Barry Bonds says he's done with baseball. Buy or Sell?
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Old 12-11-2009, 09:37 PM   #531
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He's basically been "blacklisted" from the MLB and hasn't played in 2 years, he's going to retire. San Francisco has basically been rebuilding last 2 years and don't want him.
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I wouldn't mind the Pirates bringing him in. The history is there, the Pirates don't have anything else to do, and it'd give Bonds that one chance to prove he can hit when he's clean.
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Heard on the FAN that Chien-Ming Wang is gonna get non tendered.

Pretty sad. Really great sinkerballer and back to back 19 game winner. If it wasn't for that stupid interleague game where he fucked his foot up rounding 3rd.

After that, it all went south.

I'll admit, I'm gonna miss the guy.
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A mystery team offered Jason Bay 5 years. I'm guessing it's the Mariners
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My guess is the Giants, as he said even with an offer from them he wouldn't go. So I'm guessing they threw the offer out there incase all else fails for Bay he has no choice but to accept.
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Some decent players added to the free agent pool. Matt Capps is probably the most intriguing. I'd love to see him brought in for 8th inning duty.
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Oh yeah, and the general consensus is that the Mets' offer to Jason Bay...4 years, $65 million, barely more than what the Red Sox offered...was a posturing move to show the fans that they are trying. Not coincidentally, the offer comes after it is reported that season ticket sales are coming in far more slowly this year.

At least this year is win-win...either win on the field, or Omar is canned.
This is why I'm so fucking sick of this team.

If you don't want to spend the money, don't spend it, fine. But spend intelligently on what you do spend.

Don't wanna give Holliday 23 mil a year, fine, give Guerrero 2 @ 20 and put him in LF

Don't wanna give Lackey Burnett-type money or go beyond 3 years? Fine, then where the fuck were you on Rich Harden? Ben Sheets?

Stop wasting time, why would Bay leave somewhere where he's played well and fits in to come to a place where he needs to be a savior. And for 4 million more? Pfft. This is why we're second rate in this town.

If Omar doesn't see fit to spend his money wisely, I see no reason to spend my money on a ticket to Citi this year.
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I dunno. Bay seems to still be considering it, which is a good sign. I also get the sense that the Mets would be willing to add in a 5th year if absolutely necessary, or a 5th year option.

The main thing I'm intrigued about is that the Mets' offer is backloaded so that they can still try and land Lackey, and then pay Bay the majority of his money in the latter two (or if it's a five-year deal, three) years...by which point Perez, Castillo, and Beltran will all be off the books. So they seem willing to pay...but their biggest problem is selling the free agents that coming to the Mets is a good idea.

Several notable writers (Gammons and Rosenthal come to mind immediately with a ton of backhanded comments from each) have been hinting that a lot of players don't view the Mets as contenders...which I think is pretty ridiculous and, if true, suggests that they merely looked at their W-L record last year, and not at the injury reports.
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Well, word is going around that Lackey is taking a physical with the Red Sox today. Typically that's a sign he's agreed to a contract with them Fuck...so much for getting Bay AND Lackey
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With Lackey possibly being locked up by the Sox, and there saying they want to work an extension with Beckett. You then have Beckett Lackey and Lester for the long haul, with Dice K and Wakefield in the back end.

This could very well open the door to the Padres and Sox making a deal involving Bucholz and A Gon. And with that as a possibility I expect the Yanks to call up the Jays and say "what do you want for Halladay"
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Hideki Matsui looks like he's going to the Angels. 1-year, $6.5 mil.

Wow. Didn't think Public Enemy #2 in the empire would swoop in and pick him up. Wonder if they're gonna force him to play the outfield?

If this goes down, the Johnny Damon situation with us got alot more interesting.
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Lackey's deal with Boston is 5 years, $85 million

Roy Halladay is in Philadelphia, and the Phillies are discussing a three-way blockbuster that would see them acquiring Halladay while also sending Cliff Lee to a third team, with both squads sending prospects to Toronto.

As much as I'd hate seeing Roy on the Phillies...at least Lee would be gone.
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So the Phillies would be picking up Halladay for a 1-year rental, and some sucker team is gonna get Lee for a 1-year rental.

Pretty lousy exchange if you ask me. Unless Halladay asks for an extension before he approves the trade.
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ughhhh, are you fucking kidding me with Lackey. I hate the guy enough.
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The Phillies wouldn't make the move unless they planned on spending whatever necessary to extend Roy...if not now, then at the end of the year.

If Roy's gonna wind up a Phillie though...this is how I want it to happen. Like I said, Roy AND Lee in the same rotation would be enough to shut down the rest of the East with their offense. But if Lee's gonna be going it's not all that bad.

Plus who knows...if Roy isn't demanding an extension now, he could still walk on his own.
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Lackey, Beckett, Lester, Matsuzaka, and Wakefield.

That's a scary rotation we'll be looking at for 18 games.
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And the Blue Jays get screwed again with their first round pick.
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Lackey, Beckett, Lester, Matsuzaka, and Wakefield.

That's a scary rotation we'll be looking at for 18 games.
Not gonna be too worried unless the Lackey signing is followed by a trade for Adrian Gonzalez or something.
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Old 12-14-2009, 04:00 PM   #550
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The trade has now been agreed to. Halladay to Phillies, Lee to Mariners, not sure who to Jays yet.
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Keep Lee Bros.

Poor form.
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I want Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay on the same team.
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Apparently the Blue Jays called the Mets right before making the deal...and basically said "We're about to trade him to the Phillies, unless you give us Reyes"

Fucking cocks.
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I want Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay on the same team.
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Felix and Lee is a great 1-2 combo. Mariners should be the favorites in the West unless the Angels do something.
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Damn, listening to these calls on Francesa right now...I feel like they don't even realize that Lee was traded in the deal. People are saying the Mets shouldn't even bother trying...which is ridiculous.

There's still a chance Halladay winds up being a failure when he's on a team that actually has a chance of competing. Not saying it's gonna happen...but still.
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So wait. what was the actual deal that went down
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Halladay is really good obviously, but is he better then Cliff Lee?

Also is he better then Cliff Lee in a contract year? This might end up making me mad.
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So wait. what was the actual deal that went down
On the radio I am hearing.

Blue Jays get 3 Canadien pitching prospects from the Mariners.
Mariners get Clifton Phifer Lee
Phillies get Roy Halladay.
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Toronto gets : Not announced yet
Philadelphia gets : Roy Halladay
Seattle gets : Cliff Lee

The other big deal was Lackey to Red Sox for 5 years pending results of physical.

Edit: Nevermind McLegend got the list out faster
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