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Old 12-21-2009, 03:52 PM   #721
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Most, if not all teams are interested in Aroldis Chapman. The first shows their hand today.

The Florida Marlins have made the first contract offer. No numbers or figures yet, but it's in the newsbar on ESPNews. So, take it for what it's worth.
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Old 12-21-2009, 03:56 PM   #722
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The Mets' offer to Jason Bay has been on the table for 10 days now and he hasn't even given them a response.

I'm guessing he takes it once he realizes for sure that nobody else is making an offer...but it has me starting to buy into what many of the baseball writers have been saying - top free agents don't seem to have an interest in playing for the Mets. First Lackey wouldn't even agree to meet with the Mets and see what their offer was before he decided on Boston. And now this whole Bay thing - could be that he doesn't view them as contenders, could also be the ballpark...which I REALLY don't think will have that big of an effect on his numbers, unless he's too big of a pussy to play left field there.

Probably doesn't help that the Phillies are viewed as not only the class of the division, but of the entire NL...and they got a guy who is at minimum a Top 5 pitcher in baseball.

I'm thinking the Mets need to just step up now and give Bay an ultimatum. This is getting ridiculous, especially since he was meant to respond to them on Friday.
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Maybe Omar should give Johnny Damon a call. I mean, he wants to stay in New York. Just can't go back to the Bronx. Probably be cheaper too since his options are about to run out.
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I wouldn't mind Damon as much as other Mets fans might. I'm expecting to get a crappy defender in left anyway...granted most of Damon's power will go out the window, but the gaps would be good for him. I'd also mark out if he grew back the Jesus beard and hair now that he'd no longer have to follow the Steinbrenner hair rule. That being said, I would feel really uncomfortable giving him more than 1-year.

Also, I'm not too sure where Johnny would fit in the lineup. He'd be a good number 2 guy behind Reyes, but that's basically the only spot in the order that Luis Castillo has value. Now, if the Mets somehow were to bring in Brandon Phillips in their talks with the Reds (ain't happening, I know...pipe dream) to slot him into the heart of the order, that could be really good.
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Jason Marquis apparently just signed with the Nationals...terms of the deal were not revealed yet
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I guess Marquis was tired of making the postseason every year.
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The Mets' offer to Jason Bay has been on the table for 10 days now and he hasn't even given them a response.

I'm guessing he takes it once he realizes for sure that nobody else is making an offer...but it has me starting to buy into what many of the baseball writers have been saying - top free agents don't seem to have an interest in playing for the Mets. First Lackey wouldn't even agree to meet with the Mets and see what their offer was before he decided on Boston. And now this whole Bay thing - could be that he doesn't view them as contenders, could also be the ballpark...which I REALLY don't think will have that big of an effect on his numbers, unless he's too big of a pussy to play left field there.

Probably doesn't help that the Phillies are viewed as not only the class of the division, but of the entire NL...and they got a guy who is at minimum a Top 5 pitcher in baseball.

I'm thinking the Mets need to just step up now and give Bay an ultimatum. This is getting ridiculous, especially since he was meant to respond to them on Friday.
Mets are starting to become similar to the Yankees where agents know the Mets tend to overbid or be part of bidding wars and use them to help increase the price of their clients. The main difference is while Yankees can start bidding wars, players still want to play for them while most use the Mets as a cheap way to increase their salaries for other teams.
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Yeah...at this point, I bet if the Red Sox were to put their offer back out there for Bay (pretty much the same as the Mets' current offer), or the Yankees would give him that offer or something, Bay would jump there. Seems pretty clear to me he's only gonna go to the Mets if a better team doesn't step in. It's possible that he's waiting for Holliday to sign...I'd rather the Mets just go for him at this point.

Kinda seems like the Carlos Beltran situation in 2005. The Mets offered him 7 years, $119 million. Reportedly, Beltran took that offer to the Yankees and said "give me something close to this and I'll sign" and they said no, so he settled on the Mets.

Just a shame that the Mets are getting their core guys back healthy...but the free agents still aren't buying them as contenders.
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So Olney tweets:

"Yankees working very hard tonight on deal for starting pitcher. Remember that they came close to deal for Aaron Harang in summer".

*sigh*

I better wake up tomorrow morning and discover we signed Sheets.
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I don't know why they're trying to trade for a pitcher. Sheets or Duchscherer would fit fine. They don't even need a big-time starting pitcher considering Joba and Hughes are both going to spring training as starters and Joba will have no limits next year.

I dunno, was kinda just hoping it'd be Duchscherer so Joba and Hughes can both get their chances in the rotation but they'd still have that fall back option.
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Mariners trade Brandon Morrow to the Blue Jays for Brandon League and a prospect

lol wtf Mariners
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Just saw that. There must be good prospect going back to the Mariners with League. If not the Mariners have countered a couple good moves this offseason with a ridiculously stupid one.
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Looks like it's either David Cooper who was our first in 08 or Arencibia. Hoping to god it's Cooper. Either way, the Jays friggen stole Morrow. League throws hard, but is all over the place and gives up waaaaaaay too many long balls.
 
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Melky to the Braves for Javier Vazquez.........

HE FUCKING SUCKED IN 2004, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE'LL BE BETTER, HOW DARE YOU TRADE THE MELKMAN
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Well its not like Melky was a stud outfielder or something. I figured Melky was gonna be traded once he started making more money in arbitration. Not really broken up about losing Melky. Gardner brings more to the team than Melky. The biggest piece the Yankees lost in the deal was the Vizcaino minor league pitcher.

Anyway, don't love the move but don't hate it. Vazquez hasn't been great in the AL but he gives you 200 innings every year which is what the Yankees wanted apparently. And yeah I remember what happened in the playoffs the first time he was here, but I also remember him being an all-star the first half of that season. At least this time he doesn't have to be the ace and can settle as the 4th starter.

Even though I've wanted both Hughes and Joba starting for a while there's no doubt that putting one in the pen for next year makes the team stronger.
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Yeah I don't get the hostility. What are Yankees fans more upset about, losing Melky's .269 average or his .716 OPS? He's a mediocre player.

Of course there is something to be said for the Braves being willing to give up pitching at a cheap price. The Braves are that team that come up to you in the cafeteria and offer to give you some great looking treat and your first instinct is to ask "Why, what's wrong with it?"
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Yeah I don't get the hostility. What are Yankees fans more upset about, losing Melky's .269 average or his .716 OPS? He's a mediocre player.

Of course there is something to be said for the Braves being willing to give up pitching at a cheap price. The Braves are that team that come up to you in the cafeteria and offer to give you some great looking treat and your first instinct is to ask "Why, what's wrong with it?"
I think it has to do with everything that happened in 2004 and the grand slam Vazquez gave up to Damon that pretty much sealed their fates in that series. Yankees fans have seemed to hate him since. Kinda stupid though. He was (stupidly) expected to be their ace that year. I think the pressure of only having to be the #4 starter should help him out.

Yeah, Melky really isn't that good and he's starting to make more and more in arbitration. Probably around 4+ next year.

I think the deal had to do with the Braves needing to deal him to clear some money. And he did have a career year last year, although they didn't really get a return like it. I am honestly more glad it wasn't Lowe coming here than anything.

Also, kinda interesting that the Yankees traded Nick Johnson for Vazquez back in the day and now they're both back here.
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I also think this opens up the door for Damon again. Apparently the Yankees have 10M to work with to keep the payroll less than last year. And with this move they've locked up the rotation and shored up the bullpen. I have the feeling Johnny is too butt-hurt about the first go around in the negotiations to take a bigger paycut from the Yankees though.
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I think the Yankees will pursue Bay now.
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Liking the Vasquez move by the Yankees. He eats innings, is a stike out pitcher. What does it say though about the Yankee front office opinion on Hughes and or Joba
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The prospect in question in the Morrow for League deal appears to be Johermyn Chavez. If that's the case than Seattle is dumber for making this deal than I thought.
 
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I just don't think they want both taking their lumps in the rotation at the same time.

I think their ultimate plan is to have Joba be the 5th starter this year and get that under his belt and go after one of the big pitchers next offseason. Then Hughes can step in the rotation without too much pressure next year.
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I think the Yankees will pursue Bay now.
I doubt it. I don't think they're making any huge signings this year.

Everything Cashman has done so far this offseason has pointed to him wanting to do something big signing wise next offseason when there are better pitchers available. All the deals he's made have been one year ones that'll free payroll for next year (except Granderson). I could see Damon or them just sticking with Gardner out there.
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Can you imagine having Bay hitting behind ARod and Tex? He'd get 40+ HRs easy.

Yankees are above the $200 million mark again, what's another contract in the 15ish mill. per year range.
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Fans are upset because he's one of those well liked guys that came up in the system. Obviously business is business though and we are getting the better end of the deal
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I just don't think they want both taking their lumps in the rotation at the same time.

I think their ultimate plan is to have Joba be the 5th starter this year and get that under his belt and go after one of the big pitchers next offseason. Then Hughes can step in the rotation without too much pressure next year.
Just how long are they going to coddle these guys? Are they big league or not?
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Can you imagine having Bay hitting behind ARod and Tex? He'd get 40+ HRs easy.

Yankees are above the $200 million mark again, what's another contract in the 15ish mill. per year range.
Why would he hit 40+ homers hitting behind A-rod and Tex? Wouldn't he get more pitches to hit if he hit second, ahead of tex and A-rod?
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So as I was sitting here on my computer around 11 last night playing "who's the guy" with other Yankee fans over at RAB, and all these names being thrown around as to who Cashman was eyeing. Greinke, Josh Johnson, Ted Lilly, King Felix, Brian Bannister, Zach Duke. All guys who were cheap since a report came out that we wern't taking a salary dump contact, i.e. Derek Lowe.

I think 1 guy guessed Javy Vazquez. Who would of thought that when I checked my phone at work today that's who we got. No Ben Sheets, no Justin Duchsherer, former Yank Javy Vazquez. Shocked and rather pissed, I am. I hope in the long run these new numbers Javy put up don't come back bite Cashman in the ass.

Melky, Dunn, and a prospect get sent down to Atlanta. Kinda sad to see Melky go, he's done alot at the plate and in the outfield. I'm really gonna miss him.

So once again, things get interesting in Left Field. Dragon is right on 2 points. The door is open for Johnny Damon once again, that's if he takes a pay cut. Or today is Brett Gardner's lucky day.

5th spot goes to Joba I assume. Unless Girardi is kind enough to let Hughes compete alongside during spring training.

Such is life.
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