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Old 01-07-2010, 03:08 PM   #4521
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I just need to ask FA what the Colts would do, if they had to kick from the 70 yard line
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I don't know why these teams go back to the same coaches to coach their teams. It's like those teams that sign Jeff Garcia as a free agent all the time. Brian Billick and Mike Holmgreen etc are just familiar sounding names. You may get a 10-6 team out of it, but the teams that go back to these older coaches have them for about three years then call it an unsuccessful tenure after they blow the playoffs in the last five games of the season for the second year in a row. They're just quick fixes.
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Old 01-07-2010, 05:50 PM   #4524
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Its probably a safer bet to chose someone with football/NFL experience as a head coach than a "rookie' head coach since you would have a feeling of their coaching style compared to the unknown of the rookie.

Not every coach is going to be like a Sean Payton and in his first year turn around the team but with a Holmgreen, there is history that says he knows how to develop a good QB and the offense for a while.

What does hurt is having an impatient owner/GM or fans if you take the tenured coach since if the team is horrible (ex. Browns, Lions), then your looking at around 3-5 years to rebuild the team. The fans being impatient makes some sense since they don't want to be paying just to see their team loosing all the time.
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I'm not saying guys like Shanahan and Holmgreen aren't good coaches that can benefit a team, and in most situations you would be better off hiring someone like that instead of a random defensive backs coach from the Buffalo Bills. But if you look at teams that have won a Super Bowl in the last twenty years, or have een made the Super Bowl for that matter, you won't find many teams who got there with a "rebound coach". Hiring Bill Parcells, Joe Gibbs, or Jim Mora doesn't help your franchise in the long run. I guess it's better than being stuck with some doofus like Rod Marinelli and going 3-13, but chances are you are not going to be a realistic Super Bowl contender with a coach like that. It's good for short term hype really and nothing else.
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Not saying Manning shouldn't get the MVP but saying he should get it since the Colts would be "trash" without him is pretty dumb. That would be the case for most teams/most QBs.
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Not saying Manning shouldn't get the MVP but saying he should get it since the Colts would be "trash" without him is pretty dumb. That would be the case for most teams/most QBs.
Call me crazy, but is that not the very definition of valuable?

The fact that a QB consistently wins this awards is no surprise. And you honestly think that most QBs in the league are irreplaceable? Seriously, the fact that your fucking patriots went 11-5 with a back-up proves that is not the case. It is all about the system, and without Peyton the Colts system is dead in the water as they are honestly not nearly as good as their record indicates if given an "average" starting NFL QB.
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He's gunna get it because he has the worst running game in the league behind him and he broke in 2 brand new recievers while torching the league.
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HA remember back when i said manning WAS the colts and they wouldnt be as good with out them and you snapped and went on some rant?... haha yea good times
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HA remember back when i said manning WAS the colts and they wouldnt be as good with out them and you snapped and went on some rant?... haha yea good times
look

First of all, Curtis Painter was put in two impossible situations ( He need Mike " THe Situation " tbh ). He was put into the Jets game and booed to hell because of the decision not to go for 16-0. Then he had to go on the road and play with the 3rd teamers in a snow storm. Now i dont know if you watched this game, but lets just say it's a good thing Indy has home field advantage, because they have no clue how to play on snow. It was terrible.

If Painter was playing in the dome under a good situation, with the 1st teamers, he'd be ok. He's a Boilermaker. He would be ok.
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I'm not saying guys like Shanahan and Holmgreen aren't good coaches that can benefit a team, and in most situations you would be better off hiring someone like that instead of a random defensive backs coach from the Buffalo Bills. But if you look at teams that have won a Super Bowl in the last twenty years, or have een made the Super Bowl for that matter, you won't find many teams who got there with a "rebound coach". Hiring Bill Parcells, Joe Gibbs, or Jim Mora doesn't help your franchise in the long run. I guess it's better than being stuck with some doofus like Rod Marinelli and going 3-13, but chances are you are not going to be a realistic Super Bowl contender with a coach like that. It's good for short term hype really and nothing else.
What? Coughlin, Dungy, Belichick, Gruden, Vermeil, and Shanahan are all rebound coaches and they've won 9 of the last 12 Super Bowls.
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Shanahan will do good, because Snyder will buy the players he needs.
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Shanahan will do good, because Snyder will buy the players he needs.
Snyder has been doing that for years and I really haven't seen much out of the 'Skins to show for it. To me there is a fine line between respecting your draftees and signing big name free agents. I don't think what Snyder does creates a healthy locker room as he leans too heavily on the free agency to the detriment of those who were drafted by the organization.
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Seahawks fire Jim Mora Jr.

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Seattle going after Carroll? Hm
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The USC dynasty is all over.

Pete Carroll going to Seattle would be a good fit. But I think he'll say no.
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Again, replacing Manning isn't the same thing as having a 3rd string, 6th round, ROOKIE QB, stand in for him. Manning isn't the Colts. He is a large part of the Colts, but stop ignoring the fact that their top receivers and top rusher were taken out of the game. Addai, Clark, and Wayne are the team's top scorer's this season, in that order.

If you think your team, or any other team, would perform differently under those circumstances, then you're a fucking idiot and you're just talking out of your ass.
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Love how hostile this thread gets simply talking about hypotheticals.
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It's more hostility directed at people trying to be smug by 'rubbing in' something that was a completely idiotic statement to begin with.
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Hypothetically speaking, I would take the fine from the NFL for punching you square in the nose. Because I am going to punch you square in the nose.
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I will say this though: no team is built around a single player like Indy is and no team would be hurt by the loss of one player as much as the Colts would be without Manning. Which basically just goes to show how good Manning is.
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So you're saying if you take Brady out of NE, they wouldn't be hurt as much? I think it's equal. Take Jackson away from the Rams, you have nothing.
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Implying the Rams aren't already nothing
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So you're saying if you take Brady out of NE, they wouldn't be hurt as much? I think it's equal.
They went 11-5 without Brady, and 10-6 with him this year. Get rid of Manning and they lose almost every close game they were in this season and are likely a bubble team or miss the playoffs.
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BOSTON—Though injured New England Patriots wide receiver Wes Welker has only been in the hospital for five days, doctors, nurses, support staff, and fellow patients told reporters Thursday that the extremely passionate and determined Welker has already annoyed the hell out of everyone.

"That guy is just the worst," Welker's orthopedic surgeon Dr. Henry Myles said after a diagnostic checkup Tuesday. "He suffers a torn MCL and ACL in his left knee, he can barely walk, and he just keeps saying things like, 'When am I going to get back in there, doc?' and 'Just tape it up, I'll be fine.' This whole obsession with showing us how intense and driven he is 24 hours a day really has to stop."

"I get it, okay? The guy has a lot of heart," Myles added. "But yesterday we had to put him in restraints because he wouldn't stop trying to do jumping jacks. And before we could sedate him, his screams of 'I'm a competitor!' woke up the entire wing."

As of press time, Welker had not made a single friend at Massachusetts General. Although the wideout's attitude has been celebrated by sportswriters and fans alike as scrappy and overachieving, hospital personnel have described him as "exhausting," "intolerable," and "the most infuriating little cocksucker ever to walk God's green earth."

Even children in the hospital's cancer ward were irritated by Welker's Tuesday morning visit.

"The short man kept telling me to keep fighting and not to give up," said Jackie Geddings, 8, a leukemia patient in the hospital's pediatric ward. "I got extra tired talking to him and telling him over and over I was working hard and that he didn't have to cut off his hair and give it to me. I don't think he knew I was trying to take a nap."

"He's everywhere," one doctor said of the 5-foot-9 All-Pro receiver, adding that the mere sight of Welker's face fills him with rage. "If he's not trying to get patients up at 6 a.m. to do physical therapy with him, he's giving unwanted nutritional advice to diabetics or hovering over ER doctors during critical triage sessions. I really hope one of these days he comes over to the trauma ward so I can lay him out cold."

Welker told nurses Wednesday that, although his injury will keep him out of the playoffs, it shouldn't hinder his ability to help the hospital be the best it can be. He has offered to fill in anywhere he is needed, be it on the cafeteria staff or in the operating room.

"I consider myself a very patient person," hospital janitor Mike Clemens said. "But Mr. Welker has pushed me to my limit. He told me that my mopping routes were sloppy, and that if I maybe showed a little more heart out there I could get a few more crucial feet out of each swab."

"What a prick," Clemens added. "Seriously, what a fucking little prick."

Welker's hospital roommate, 52-year-old Aaron Kramer, requested a room transfer after spending just one night with the two-time Pro Bowler. Kramer said he was unable to sleep due to Welker shouting "Woo!" after every SportsCenter highlight, a nuisance that became increasingly excruciating as Welker did the same through all five of the show's overnight repeats.

Teammates who have visited Welker have left his hospital room visibly aggravated, often rolling their eyes, muttering to themselves, or saying things like, "Thank God that's over."

Patriots coach Bill Belichick has yet to make a trip to the Boston hospital, but said Monday that Welker had already left him more than 150 voice mail messages that alternated between tearful apologies for getting injured and personal pleas for Belichick not to forget about him while he's away.

"Apparently he read an article where I said that the team would evolve without him," Patriots quarterback Tom Brady told reporters after visiting Welker. "I had to assure Wes that didn't mean I thought the team was better off without him or that I didn't like him personally."

"I don't, though," Brady said. "Not hard to see why not. Jesus, if that mouthy little fucker didn't manage to get open so often I think I would have punched him in the face years ago."
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Call me crazy, but is that not the very definition of valuable?

The fact that a QB consistently wins this awards is no surprise. And you honestly think that most QBs in the league are irreplaceable? Seriously, the fact that your fucking patriots went 11-5 with a back-up proves that is not the case. It is all about the system, and without Peyton the Colts system is dead in the water as they are honestly not nearly as good as their record indicates if given an "average" starting NFL QB.
They went from having one of the greatest seasons ever to not even making the playoffs the next season with pretty close to the same roster.

They also had a really good back-up who is now a starter, not some bum like Chris Painter - who also happens to really be the Colts' 3rd string QB.

So yes, I do think most elite QBs are irreplaceable.
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In this whole Colts undefeated season debacle you really got to feel for Jim Sorgi.
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What? Coughlin, Dungy, Belichick, Gruden, Vermeil, and Shanahan are all rebound coaches and they've won 9 of the last 12 Super Bowls.
I'm not talking about coaches who have been head coaches before. 90% of all coaches have been head coaches before. I'm talking about coaches that haven't done anything in a while who get hired for their reputation alone. Tony Dungy was putting together good teams in Tampa Bay at the time, and Bill Belichick and Mike Shanahan didn't do anything before they went to New England/Denver. Tom Coughlin had been there for a while when they won it, Gruden was what he was. Dick Vermeil yeah. He is the only one I would put in that category though.
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Bill Parcells and Joe Gibbs are the two best examples of this. Two coaches who were successful twenty years ago and everyone thinks that if teams hire these guys all of a sudden they will be in a Super Bowl in a year, when what actually happens is that they are there for a couple of seasons and they have one season where the team makes the playoffs before losing in the wild card round.

It's comparable to teams who sign Daunte Culpepper because they don't know what else to do. Yes, occasionally you have a year when Brad Johnson is the starting quarterback of a Super Bowl winning team, but that usually isn't the case 85% of the time.
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I recommend you drink more beers then continue to post on TPWW. Really making some great posts.
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Pete Carroll is your new Seahawks coach.

Really, Peter.
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Peyton Manning - 2009 MVP

Updated: January 9, 2010, 9:46 AM ET
Colts' Manning wins record fourth MVP

NEW YORK -- Peyton Manning has become the first player to win The Associated Press NFL Most Valuable Player award four times.


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The Indianapolis Colts' sensational quarterback romps to the award Saturday in balloting by 50 sports writers and broadcasters who cover the league. He gets 39½ votes to 7½ for Drew Brees as only quarterbacks receive any backing.

Manning adds the 2009 honors to the awards he won in 2003, 2004 and 2008, breaking a tie with Brett Favre at three MVPs.

The 33-year-old Manning joins Wayne Gretzky (9), Barry Bonds (7) and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (6) as the leader for most valuable player awards in his sport.
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So, if the Seahawks went and talked to Carroll before they even fired Mora, did they even pay lip service the Rooney Rule???
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Nope, they just going to do the token interview with a minority candidate just so they don't get fined but whole decision was already made. Its the big loophole in the rule that the NFL thought of fixing a while ago.
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It's more hostility directed at people trying to be smug by 'rubbing in' something that was a completely idiotic statement to begin with.
My god you are a dooche... i am telling you that your quarterback is SO GOOD that he makes an entire team but upon hearing that you get so butt hurt that YOU dont see the facts. Outside of wayne, he has not had star wide receivers because the were all inexperienced, but he made them stars. And dont even try bringing up dallas clark because any tight end with a decent qb passing to him will put up big nubers look around the league.
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