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Old 11-06-2009, 01:37 AM   #41
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A third time? As far as I know there was only one time prior. This would be the second time. Him meeting Charlie and witnessing her death and then trying to save her was one whole thing.

He made a promise he would save her and the butterfly man made him believe he could really change things without disrupting everything badly so he went back.
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Old 11-06-2009, 09:32 AM   #42
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The first time was when he met her, then he went back another time and tried to save her only to find out about her brain clot and her inevitable death, and then this third time in the newest episode.

No one knows about the butterfly effect more than Hiro, maybe future Peter Petrelli. That whole thing with Samuel, the butterfly man is fucking ridiculous, here you have it being spelled out about how the SLIGHTEST change in the past, will make changes to the future you can't possibly imagine, Hiro had a 'code' where he would not do it anymore - then alls it takes is for a stranger to say 'ah but what if you only changed something little' - it goes against EVERYTHING already covered about 'the butterfly effect' from season 3, just so we can see a fucking pansy ass storyline about a character we still have that is annoying as fuck, get with a character with no significance who will be in like one or two more episodes until something else as ridiculous happens.
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To Hiro it may be a third time but Heroes the show has only revisited it twice included the recent episode. Episode 9 and 10 were the continuation of the same storyline. Then now in season 4 we go back to part of that storyline.
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Whatever it is. I don't like it. But fair play I guess.
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The thing that bugged me about last weeks episode was how they had to add in the whole "This character actually existed back then, we just chose to never show her to you. So when HRG goes and tracks her down to start a new romance, pretend like you know who she is."

Although it was humorous to watch his hairline go up and down based on whether the scene was originally shot during season 1 or was new footage.
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It was just awful.
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Im really not enjoying this season....everytime I watch an episode I just beg for it to end almost.
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Been enjoying this season much more than the last actually.
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Old 11-10-2009, 09:19 AM   #49
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Wow, it's been almost a month since we last spoke of this show.

I find it disturbing how much I'm noticing the writers not paying attention to detail in the Petrelli story these last couple weeks. For instance: how could Peter get Rene's power when Rene acts as a damper to all other powers in his vicinity? Why was Sylar (or "Nathan") able to keep shapeshifted around Peter afterwards?
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Well Renee's power is a power like any other so I imagine you can control it. For example I'm sure he can turn it off if he chose to. He might even be able to control it enough to dampen a power just a little. Like if someone had super strength and could lift 1000 lbs easily and dampen it a little to make it so he could only lift half.

And Peter is pretty adept at learning quickly how to control a new power so he allowed Sythan to shape-shift. In fact I think he might have even influenced it by putting his hand on his head and maybe dampening all the powers except shape-shifting.

I just remembered when Renee was using his power on Arthur and had trouble with that and then Sylar was just a few feet away when he made the bullet go through his head. This shows that he can also pick just one person to focus on and dampen especially since Arthur was a lot for him to handle by himself.
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Old 01-29-2010, 11:52 AM   #53
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Yeah when Claire and Peter were talking in the kitchen and she cut herself but wasn't healing, he said he could turn off his power.

I'm really interested if Peter will help Sylar become good and he'll be like the Sylar we saw in the future where Peter was being chased by Claire. Some of you will probably say Sylar will never be good but there are many times where we saw things in the future and some of those things still happened in one way or another. For example Sylar took over Nathan's life and became president in one future and this season was the same except for being unknowingly mentally manipulated into it plus he was only Senator.
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Yeah I have noticed how certain events follow past viewings of the future. And they certainly love to flirt with Sylar's moral alignment. The pie-chart line was great.
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Really good episode in my opinion with the Peter/Sylar, Claire/Noah dynamic. Maybe the best episode of this season so far. Really want to see what happens next.
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Really enjoyed the latest episode. Sylar wanting to turn good is great...

...The ending though with the guy who can multiply... SERIOUSLY? You're sending a guy with one ability (Who can multiply) up against SYLAR? What the hell is that all about.

The Noah/Claire bits are okay. Claire once again finds that Noah is hiding long forgotten secrets - At first during the intial flashback when Noah was just "an ordinary guy" - The person who used the telekenisis reminded me of Sylar's father for some reason.

I'm curious where Hiro and the rest of his gang come into this though and if Hiro ever does find out the fate of that waitress...
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My only major problem with this show is that the writer's can figure out what to do with Sylar. They keep teasing him being good, and he always goes back to being evil...

Plus, with the show being almost done (they'll get one more season at best), if Sylar is good, there's no villain left to fight in the last season... And even if there is, Sylar would be way too over powered to be bothered by them. So unless they keep Samuel around, that screws that up.

Now if the season ends with Sylar walking out of the Carnival, finding Peter, and saying something like "I'm sorry.... I can't change, I'm not strong enough." And Peter goes into the carnival and finds everyone with their heads cut open... That would be fucking amazing.
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Old 02-02-2010, 11:43 PM   #58
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Im really not liking the new season...and its weird because today was the first time where my wife actually suggested we watched the episode. I wanted to watch a movie and she wanted to watch Heroes. I just dont really look forward to it anymore.

Hopefully something more interesting will happen...nicely enough there will be a fight in the next episode hopefully between Sylar/Peter and the multiply man.
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My only major problem with this show is that the writer's can figure out what to do with Sylar. They keep teasing him being good, and he always goes back to being evil...

Plus, with the show being almost done (they'll get one more season at best), if Sylar is good, there's no villain left to fight in the last season... And even if there is, Sylar would be way too over powered to be bothered by them. So unless they keep Samuel around, that screws that up.

Now if the season ends with Sylar walking out of the Carnival, finding Peter, and saying something like "I'm sorry.... I can't change, I'm not strong enough." And Peter goes into the carnival and finds everyone with their heads cut open... That would be fucking amazing.
If that happens, I will absolutely cream my pants
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There is a potentially powerful story (and even a message) with the Sylar/Peter thing. I'm guessing he'll have one more turn before they make him a full fledged hero. There's little else in the way of portraying evil Sylar and all of his past good guy stints lead to new ways of showing off his evil. I don't think this turn will last, but eventually he'll be a good guy for good. Maybe even become Pete's sworn brother or something.

Hard to believe there are still things about Noah's past we didn't know.
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Really don't think I like this season and hows its been presented. Mainly because it's taken SO LONG to get where they are now, and it feels like there has been very little done despite how many episodes there have been.

It's like, the introduction of the carnival was awesome, and gradually we got introduced to new and exciting characters. It has just been executed poorly in my opinion.

Since the beginning, what has actually happened, ok, something happens in every episode but as a whole:

- Carnival with a new antagonist arrives
- Nathan
- Sylar
- All the stuff that has lead to this 'confrontation'; Claire, HRG, Samuel etc

I seriously think every SINGLE episode Hiro and Ando have been in has been a complete waste of time. They are beyond pathetic and have lost ANY real significance they EVER had, which has been shrinking ever since season 2.


I really hope this is NOT the last season either. With the previews for the next and last two episodes, it looks like Claire is going to present the specials to the world before Samuel can or something.

I hope this season at least ends well with Sylar and Peter and Samel being the main players.

And yinno, they should shoot forward next season, gives us a version of the future we have been presented with since 'Five Years Gone' in season one. Some of these characters are still awesome, some are not, and as a whole, I feel the series needs something big in order to get back what it once had, and a fast forward in time I think would work.

This thing with Sylar, I dunno, ever since season 3, he's been on a villain/hero switch nearly ever several episodes or so, its getting dry, they need to decide and stick with one and develop that so it has some meaning and substance.
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There is a potentially powerful story (and even a message) with the Sylar/Peter thing. I'm guessing he'll have one more turn before they make him a full fledged hero. There's little else in the way of portraying evil Sylar and all of his past good guy stints lead to new ways of showing off his evil. I don't think this turn will last, but eventually he'll be a good guy for good. Maybe even become Pete's sworn brother or something.

Hard to believe there are still things about Noah's past we didn't know.
Funny that you mention that. Like I said earlier about things in the future that might happen again, if you remember Gabriel's son referred to Peter as his uncle and I thought this was because of the whole Gabriel is your brother storyline which turned out to be not true but since Nathan's memories are still in him and I think because Nathan was or still inside Sylar is what is causing him to react like this. So in a way Sylar and Peter are brothers.
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Hopefully they'll explore the true ramifications of Sylar having memories of Peter as a brother, as well the fact they essentially spent 'years' together (to be honest, this skimmed over time period should be ripe for 'flashback' scenes of their time together - this is untapped gold, Peter/Sylar is my favorite arc right now).
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I don't see how that could be used in the long-term in a good way. All these flashbacks with Noah, Hiro etc, its not productive. This show needs and lacks an 'epicness' to it; story wise, script wise, even visually - there's hardly been ANY battles/confrontations in this season. And with it being called Redemption, it's just 'not there'. Edgar has hardly been in it at all and he was something that all the fans would've loved. That first scene with him and Peter in the second episode, their fight, that's the best we have seen of him.
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I don't know, I love this season. Great dialogue and developments. Not the battle fest of "Villains" but whatever.
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I don't think you guys will like how it ends with Samuel but the start of Chapter 6/Season 6 shows a lot of promise.
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I have to agree about the start of the next chapter.

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The "fight" with Samuel was underwhelming at best, but Claire jumping off the Ferris wheel in front of the TV cameras is an intriguing way to end the season/start the next season. Perhaps the next season will be the last.
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Just seen it..

Gotta say, this season started off very interesting - but it just lost it's way. So many episodes were focused on shit that can only be classed as bullshit subplots. And a lot of them had hardly ANY relevance to the main one. That's what I loved about season one, although characters were spread apart, there was something bigger at work, something epic everything was leading up to - this season, it's just been an entire mess.

There has been hardly ANY decent fight scenes/battles.

This finale episode was a BIG let down, think I've seen more action, suspense and quality entertainment on an episode of the animated X-Men shows.

Season 4 is probably my least favorite season of Heroes. Shame since I loved Edgar, and I doubt Ray Park will do another season.
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I have to agree about the start of the next chapter.

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I think they could have stretched it out to another episode. It's like boom I'm Sylar and I'm here to save you and then ooh will I kill Doyle or not? Then it's like no, we don't believe Samuel can do that and then 5 mins later they all run away scared. And all of a sudden Peter flies into Samuel then takes his power and they do a tug of war until he is powerless. They could have expanded the fights and struggles and added even more suspense but the only problem I see is Sylar is too powerful so Doyle was no problem at all for him.

I think it'll just be the start of the "future" we have seen glimpses of. Something will happen with her and Peter and she'll become brunette and chase after specials while Peter will get his infamous scar. And if they write it well enough then I'm sure people will want at least another season. I think Hayden did a photoshoot with brunette hair. I don't know if it's really recent but if it was then maybe it points to her character in Heroes being brunette.
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They better do this future thing, that's what I been thinking too. Hopefully the version they settle on gives Peter back his original power also.

And where the FUCK did he get the ability to fly off?...that little prick West? come on!
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:55 AM   #71
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I'm hearing that NBC did not opt to renew the show...
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If this is true, it's the worst ending/wrap up of a show for the modern age.
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If they don't add another season, in lieu of the Sarah Conner Chronicles debacle, I'll be legit unhappy.
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lol It's not meant to be a wrap up for a show because I'm sure that they didn't film it with the thought of this being the last season.

NBC will most likely order another season but with the whole Conan debacle I wouldn't really trust NBC. And even if they decide not to bring Heroes back for another season then you can bet ABC or CBS would and they could continue the story on another network.
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Yeah pretty underwhelming end to Samuel then. Was majorly dissapointed with it seeing as he's been the only thing keeping my interest this season.

I think I'm completely fed up with almost all of the regular cast members. In a way I kind of hope that is the end of it all.
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The final fight certainly was weak just having pieces of mud ping ponging back and forth several times.

I don't understand why Samuel lost *ALL* his powers though, even if he was on his own in the middle of nowhere he should have at least retained a portion of it. Like when Hiro and Tattoo Girl went into the past and seen Samuel kill his brother, there was only two "specials" there (Samuel + Brother?) and he could still control the land.

I slightly hoped Sylar would keep a bit of devious-intent though, when Doyle was all but beaten on the ground i expected Sylar to cut off his hands or break his fingers so he couldn't use them, instead he tickled him with fairy lights. Booo.

I think they missed an hilarious segment with Hiro too. I think they said that Charlie was ported back to 1944 when she was a ammunition-maker. You could have had a super-powered Japanese guy (Who America was obviously at war with...) come in and see what it was like back then. Of course it would have messed up the storyline of him being... supercharged.

It would be a shame if they actually didn't continue on now, it would give everything a fresh feeling if they allowed the specials to mingle in with the normals, but that just leads back to the future which has been mentioned. All good though
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I don't think he lost all of his power's strength. I just think he was trying to do more than he was capable of since almost all specials were gone. If he was just trying to throw a rock or something like he did to Suresh then he could of but again that was not his aim. He was very frustrated he didn't have all that power anymore and resorted to trying to punch Peter. Plus Lydia and Hiro were close by when they went into the past.
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Tracy saving Claire and Noah was a bit As was the whole "Hiro find old lady Charlie in the same hospital" part.
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They better do this future thing, that's what I been thinking too. Hopefully the version they settle on gives Peter back his original power also.

And where the FUCK did he get the ability to fly off?...that little prick West? come on!
I assumed that Peter copied Sylar's telekinesis power. Sylar's used that to fly since season 1.
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I assumed that Peter copied Sylar's telekinesis power. Sylar's used that to fly since season 1.
Pretty sure Sylar first flew and stole that ability from Nathan when he was killed. Sylar never flew in seasons 1 or 2.

But yeah, make sense that Peter stole it from him to attack Samuel.
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