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Old 02-28-2010, 01:30 PM   #1
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Exactly. He was being cheered by default because he was going against heels. He could have been given [a variation of] the "anti-hero" gimmick (much like the one Edge has now, which is working pretty well) and it would have been better for him. The kind of face character he was given didn't suit him (because again, not everyone can play the same type of character) and it showed. Faces can still be badass, and that's the kind of face Randy Orton could play.

Then he wasn't ready to be World Heavyweight Champion and the face of the company. My point is, if you want to be the World Champion and face of the company, you need to be able to do whatever is asked of you.
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Old 02-28-2010, 01:34 PM   #2
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Then he wasn't ready to be World Heavyweight Champion and the face of the company. My point is, if you want to be the World Champion and face of the company, you need to be able to do whatever is asked of you.
Should people really have expected him to be ready for that role at the time, though? He was given the ball during the "Triple H Era" on RAW (not a knock, as I love Trips). Could anyone really have been expected to come out over "that" Triple H (especially with that kind of character)?
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Old 02-28-2010, 01:37 PM   #3
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Should people really have expected him to be ready for that role at the time, though? He was given the ball during the "Triple H Era" on RAW (not a knock, as I love Trips). Could anyone really have been expected to come out over "that" Triple H (especially with that kind of character)?
Hmmm...they had Orton win the belt and turn babyface. As a babyface, he had a dominant heel stable going after him. He couldn't get over as a babyface even with all the sympathy in the world. Orton proved he wasn't ready to be champion, and thats why he dropped it at Unforgiven and didn't win the title again for years.
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Old 02-28-2010, 01:43 PM   #4
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Hmmm...they had Orton win the belt and turn babyface. As a babyface, he had a dominant heel stable going after him. He couldn't get over as a babyface even with all the sympathy in the world. Orton proved he wasn't ready to be champion, and thats why he dropped it at Unforgiven and didn't win the title again for years.
If all that is true, which I'll agree to that to a point, then it was the WWE's failure to utalize their talent properly. If they were good at utalizing talent they would have known that Randy Orton wasn't ready to with the title and shouldn't have given him the belt.

If the WWE pushed Randy Orton to the title and he wasn't ready than the WWE failed along with Randy Orton. It's just logic.

It can't be one or the other, it has to be both.
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Old 02-28-2010, 01:48 PM   #5
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If all that is true, which I'll agree to that to a point, then it was the WWE's failure to utalize their talent properly. If they were good at utalizing talent they would have known that Randy Orton wasn't ready to with the title and shouldn't have given him the belt.

If the WWE pushed Randy Orton to the title and he wasn't ready than the WWE failed along with Randy Orton. It's just logic.

It can't be one or the other, it has to be both.
This. You can't hang failure of a character solely on the worker. WWE is as much to blame for not realizing what works with some can't work with all.
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Old 02-28-2010, 01:59 PM   #6
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This. You can't hang failure of a character solely on the worker. WWE is as much to blame for not realizing what works with some can't work with all.
My point is that Randy Orton has most of the blame in his failures.

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That's true. The WWE for far too long have been more worried about what wrestlers do in the locker room than what they do in the ring. I totally agree with that assessment.

But if the WWE were so damn concerned with wrestlers being good "company guys" then why push a repeat flake a drug addict in Jeff Hardy to the moon?
Jeff Hardy never buried the company in public appearances such as radio interviews. Jeff Hardy was also one of the most over guys in the company at that time on a brand that needed help. The WWE does need to worry about what goes in the locker room, since you are same person who will say WWE worries too much about the locker room but will crucify WWE when a wrestler ODs or dies from his own stupidity.
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Old 02-28-2010, 02:13 PM   #7
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My point is that Randy Orton has most of the blame in his failures.
Even in this example? You can't agree that WWE is just as much at fault? I understand his behavior outside the ring screwed him, and if that's what you're referring to I agree, but in this case I don't buy it.

It seems like your disdain for Orton is the driving force behind your opinion here, in which case that statement is ridiculous.
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My point is that Randy Orton has most of the blame in his failures.



Jeff Hardy never buried the company in public appearances such as radio interviews. Jeff Hardy was also one of the most over guys in the company at that time on a brand that needed help. The WWE does need to worry about what goes in the locker room, since you are same person who will say WWE worries too much about the locker room but will crucify WWE when a wrestler ODs or dies from his own stupidity.
I've never held the WWE accountable for wrestlers ODing. Never once. Don't put words in my mouth.
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