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Old 03-01-2010, 12:51 AM   #1
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Taker/Michaels I vs II
Rewatching last year's match now and it made me realize that there was one major aspect missing from it, the the Heel vs Face dynamic. This, I think, will be the major difference this year, and it will bring about a different style from Michaels, a more aggressive style.

Another thing I can see making a difference this year is blood. I've always felt that while blood isn't entirely necessary to the majority of matches or angles, it does add to the emotion and drama of a match. I think that this year it's needed, just to show the lengths Michaels will go to beat Taker, both defensively and offensively. I'm sure that, given the profile of the match, they'll allow a blade job or two.

So yeah, discuss these and other aspects that you think will differentiate between last year's and this year's Taker vs Michaels match.

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Old 03-01-2010, 12:58 AM   #2
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I don't think if we'll see that face/heel dynamic this year, either. Keep in mind that The Undertaker did deny Shawn Michaels his match (traditionally, good guys always accept challenges), and while we could see a more aggressive HBK, we could also see an HBK who just won't give up.

I'm hoping we see a different move finish the match this year. I could truthfully see Shawn Michaels submitting to the Hell's Gate.
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I really hope JR calls it again. There's a strong chance he won't, which sucks.

That's one difference I don't want to see.
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I don't think if we'll see that face/heel dynamic this year, either. Keep in mind that The Undertaker did deny Shawn Michaels his match (traditionally, good guys always accept challenges), and while we could see a more aggressive HBK, we could also see an HBK who just won't give up.

I'm hoping we see a different move finish the match this year. I could truthfully see Shawn Michaels submitting to the Hell's Gate.
But having him submit goes against that whole approach you just suggested. I like the idea that he won't give up.
Maybe he will get stuck in the hells gate, fight it for a while, almost break the hold but get pulled back into the middle of the ring and pass out from the pain.
It would be similar to the Austin/Bret finish, but it actually would make a lot of sense given the stakes.
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Yeah Michael Cole could absolutely destroy the moment. He just can't do it right. He doesn't have the voice and he doesn't have the talent.
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I could totally see them doing a Dusty finish or something where they both get counted out and Michaels makes them restart the match.
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But having him submit goes against that whole approach you just suggested. I like the idea that he won't give up.
Maybe he will get stuck in the hells gate, fight it for a while, almost break the hold but get pulled back into the middle of the ring and pass out from the pain.
It would be similar to the Austin/Bret finish, but it actually would make a lot of sense given the stakes.
This would be the perfect finish, actually. It also leaves the door open for a Michaels return.

In fact, I'll be pretty surprised if they go another route. This is just too perfect.
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I could totally see them doing a Dusty finish or something where they both get counted out and Michaels makes them restart the match.
This would work. It puts over the obsession with Michaels to beat him, and then when he loses it will be even better because it will mark his tragic flaw being his undoing.
He could have escaped with the first ever draw, but his greed to win ends up making him lose.
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Also, if JR can't be there I should call this match.
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But having him submit goes against that whole approach you just suggested. I like the idea that he won't give up.
Maybe he will get stuck in the hells gate, fight it for a while, almost break the hold but get pulled back into the middle of the ring and pass out from the pain.
It would be similar to the Austin/Bret finish, but it actually would make a lot of sense given the stakes.
Yes, but no. It would seem to, but you'd obvious build it up as HBK just having nothing left. It also means so much if HBK taps his career away.
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My gut says that Jim Ross, Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler call this match. My heart really wants it to be Jim Ross and Matt Striker, though.
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I'm 99.9% certain Shawn's "retirement" will last for 11 months maximum. I see him returning for at least one more match if he loses.
Probably a real retirement match against HHH at Wrestlemania 27, complete with a big sendoff and HOF honors. This year though? I think it's just a storyline/gimmick to plant seeds of doubt into our minds during the match.

I'm all for that though, since I love being on the edge of my seat for these Taker streak matches.
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Wow didn't even think about Jim Ross not calling it. Say what you will about Ross, but no one in the WWE, and quite possibly no one ever, can call a big match as well as Ross. Not Solie, not Monsoon, not Styles.

Will definitely be a deal breaker in comparing the two matches. Even if the match it self is better than the first Michaels vs Taker I was so good, that they really cant get THAT much better. The announcing could very well be the deciding factor if Ross isn't there.
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Except you kind of know Taker's not losing. This year is probably the first time since Randy Orton that the streak has been in danger.
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That's why I want Matt Striker to call it. You just know he would watch The Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels like 100 times prior to calling the event, and he'd be able to pick up on little details here or there that connect the two matches. Combine that with Jim Ross' iconic epic match commentary, and I think you have a winning duo.
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I'm not going to sit here and tell you I didn't have my doubts at certain points during the matches with Batista and Edge. Even with Shawn last year I did.

I "knew" Taker was going to win, but at different points during those matches the mark in me started to wonder. They've done a very good job with the gimmick in the past few years
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You're exactly right. I want to like Cole, but I just can't think of a way for him to not be generic. Maybe the dude actually needs to be in an angle or something. Say what you want to about how crappy angles with announcers are; but I think people actually need to feel some sort of sympathy for Michael Cole before they accept him as the Voice of the WWE.
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He's not generic when he's being himself. His internet heel gimmick last week was clearly coming from within, and shined as a result.
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I think a lot of the match psychology near the end will revolve around Michaels ALMOST making that one big mistake that would cost him the way it did last time and narrowly averting disaster each time. Not quite sure which way it will go though, but my gut tells me that we could see an ending similar to the end of Taker's feud with Edge, where he defeated Edge and then sucked him down into the fire, "taking his soul" or whatever.
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Cole's actually not half bad when he's with JR. He was acceptable last year for this match but as the lead pony he's just too underwhelming.
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Jim Ross makes everything sound like it is the single biggest moment in wrestling history. Jim Ross adds the emotion to a moment and makes you involved in it. I hope Jim Ross is at WrestleMania 26.
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Old 03-01-2010, 01:56 AM   #27
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I will look for the clips of it on YouTube, but Jim Ross helped make the Undertaker/Jeff Hardy Ladder Match for the WWE Championship seem like Jeff Hardy could actually win the damn thing.
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He's not generic when he's being himself. His internet heel gimmick last week was clearly coming from within, and shined as a result.
I agree with this. Working with Tazz, JBL, Mick Foley and Josh Mathews have gotten us some good results. He should stop trying to be such a face, and perhaps just be himself.
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Old 03-01-2010, 02:19 AM   #30
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Just watched last year's match. There's these 3 old guys in the front row that are rooting for the Undertaker that are so hilarious.
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Just watched last year's match. There's these 3 old guys in the front row that are rooting for the Undertaker that are so hilarious.
Is it the idea that 3 old guys are rooting for The Undertaker cause thats funny on a different level.
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Old 03-01-2010, 02:43 AM   #32
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I guess hilarious is the wrong word. Just interesting how into it they were. Guys like that always add to the excitement of a match
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lol I forgot about that. During the ppv last year, my friend kept calling one of them "the tourist." He looked like such a cliche tourist with his camera around his neck and I think he had a Hawaiin shirt
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Michael Cole is going to mock the match as internet fans are excited for it
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lol I forgot about that. During the ppv last year, my friend kept calling one of them "the tourist." He looked like such a cliche tourist with his camera around his neck and I think he had a Hawaiin shirt
You talking about the bald tye dye guy or the guy to his right? I always noticed the guy to his right (bald guy, black and white shirt, goatee).
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lol the tourist. Yea that's him.


On a related note, I wish Faith No More Guy would still be sitting near the left turnbuckle at every PPV
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I'm a huge Faith No More Guy mark.

Also, lol, I think that's Green Lantern Fan in the yellow in that shot you posted.
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