LOST Theories (will have spoliers)

[Jon Kano]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon Real Locke was my favorite too, but he still has all his mannerisms and soft spoken words, so I'll take it. I can't wait for Jack and MIB to meet as well. I meant to ask you guys earlier. So now they kind of confirmed what Jacob has been doing all along and that the island is keeping the dark side from the world. To me that kind of downplays the Dharma group and The Others of the first couple of seasons. What was the whole point of all these people? Seems like nothing compared to the bigger picture. I forget how the Dharma even got to the island.

DHARMA were part of a chain of events that lead to what we are at now. Their entire existence is what bought Oceanic 815 to the Island, as well as being another group of people bought to the Island as part of Jacob's overall message and plan. Without them, nothing would be what it is now. They are part of the big picture, like everyone and everything else.

I mean if you back track to what we thought was a massive mystery and importance when we were watching season 1, the hatch was one of those things, when really, it was something so much smaller than so many other things. I still get pissed off when the season 1 finale ended with just the lid coming off.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Jon Kano DHARMA were part of a chain of events that lead to what we are at now. Their entire existence is what bought Oceanic 815 to the Island, as well as being another group of people bought to the Island as part of Jacob's overall message and plan. Without them, nothing would be what it is now. They are part of the big picture, like everyone and everything else. I mean if you back track to what we thought was a massive mystery and importance when we were watching season 1, the hatch was one of those things, when really, it was something so much smaller than so many other things. I still get pissed off when the season 1 finale ended with just the lid coming off.

ok, now it's actually starting to make sense because I forgot Jacob has been watching Jack and co since they were born.

So it does make sense that Jacob knew of the chain of events that would happen to cause Oceanic to land. But here's my question now, when do you think Jacob put this whole plan into action? That's crazy to even think about

[XL]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon ok, now it's actually starting to make sense because I forgot Jacob has been watching Jack and co since they were born. So it does make sense that Jacob knew of the chain of events that would happen to cause Oceanic to land. But here's my question now, when do you think Jacob put this whole plan into action? That's crazy to even think about

But how does it "make sense" that Jacob would know the exact sequence of events? Can he see the future? If so, why bother writing all those names on the wall/lighthouse dial if he knew that the only ones he really needed were Shepherd, Ford, Kwon, Reyes, etc.

[Jon Kano]

Originally Posted by XL But how does it "make sense" that Jacob would know the exact sequence of events? Can he see the future? If so, why bother writing all those names on the wall/lighthouse dial if he knew that the only ones he really needed were Shepherd, Ford, Kwon, Reyes, etc.

Because if he hadn't left the writings on the wall, Sawyer wouldn't of been able to have seen it. Even though it was with MIB, at that point he was told he was important, whatever that means yet, I don't know.

Its just a small example of what I mean, but I really can't articulate it very well at this point.

MY head is spinning.

[Jon Kano]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon ok, now it's actually starting to make sense because I forgot Jacob has been watching Jack and co since they were born. So it does make sense that Jacob knew of the chain of events that would happen to cause Oceanic to land. But here's my question now, when do you think Jacob put this whole plan into action? That's crazy to even think about

I'm not so sure if it's a dead set plan. Although he has a plan, it's more a game of chess where the players also play their role based on their ultimate good or bad nature. A plan, a gamble, a leap of faith.

He has the ability to summon/bring people to the Island - we know that.

He has the ability to 'choose'/pass on a gift to those he chooses to bring to the Island - we know that.

But the people he chooses and others are what Faraday referred to as 'the variables'. They have the power through free choice to shape destiny. I don't think Jacob or the MIB are as all knowing or powerful as it is made out. The Island has some kind of authority power and rules that they both have to follow. I just don't think he know of all the events and exactly how they would occur, but that he had a hand in it.

It would seem that the earliest so far that he put his plan into action would be the arrival of The Black Rock/Richard, who would later go on to meet Locke in the 50's, as well as Faraday, bury the bomb, recruit Ben - which all sparked off multiple chains of events.

[XL]

Originally Posted by Jon Kano DHARMA were part of a chain of events that lead to what we are at now. Their entire existence is what bought Oceanic 815 to the Island, as well as being another group of people bought to the Island as part of Jacob's overall message and plan. Without them, nothing would be what it is now. They are part of the big picture, like everyone and everything else. I mean if you back track to what we thought was a massive mystery and importance when we were watching season 1, the hatch was one of those things, when really, it was something so much smaller than so many other things. I still get pissed off when the season 1 finale ended with just the lid coming off.

Yeah, this is pretty much along the lines I was thinking.

Dharma were brought to the island to do their experiments, eventually tapping into a pocket of energy that would require a button to be pressed every 108 minutes. Desmond was then brought to the island to ensure that he would miss pushing the button, thus causing 815 to crash.

I wonder though, if everyone that came to the island was touched by Jacob before arriving as our main characters have been. Or is there something overtly special about this latest batch of candidates that made Jacob take the trip. And how did he make those trips off island anyway!?

[Jon Kano]

Originally Posted by XL I wonder though, if everyone that came to the island was touched by Jacob before arriving as our main characters have been. Or is there something overtly special about this latest batch of candidates that made Jacob take the trip. And how did he make those trips off island anyway!?

Yeah this kinda relates to the question I always used to think of, what kind of power/reason creates a point in time where all these chosen people are met in the right place at the right time for their arrival to happen?

Not too sure if he touched them all. Some of it must of been down to luck/fate/whatever, going back the variable idea. I would go as far to say the real 'Constant' is The Island and time/space/existence comes second to it. But if you go here and look at the 'names and bearings' section http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Lighthouse you will see there are tons of names of characters who Jacob has been keeping an eye on.

But yeah, ultimately, these 6 are his chosen fighters I think. And he either used the Orchid Station, his own power or some other way to get off Island, must be part of his power.