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Old 05-14-2010, 01:43 AM   #1201
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oh nevermind, I got it now. Sawyer says "I killed them, didn't I. had to listen to it like 6 times
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Old 05-14-2010, 01:43 AM   #1202
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'I killed them didn't I?'

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Old 05-14-2010, 02:06 AM   #1203
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Hope we get more crappy CGI underwater island to be honest. Also it's not gonna be like Jack and Sawyer are new Jacob/MIB or any combo of that really. You know why? Cause that's too fucking obvious. As lame as lost has been lately, and as much as I hate it right now. They will definitely do something different than what you expect. Unless of course "you" are that asshole know it all nerd elitist friend who will obviously get like 10% of the finale correct and therefore have gotten 100% correct, cause 10% is close enough. Still waiting for my Vincent flashback episode.
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Old 05-14-2010, 04:41 AM   #1204
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Why does someone need to replace MiB/Smocke?

The way I see it, MiB/Smocke is ended/killed/trapped by whatever means which means we don't need a replacement Jacob or Mib/Smocke isn't ended/killed/trapped and we only need a replacement Jacob - not a replacement MiB.

In that scenario it'd come down to Jack and "Locke" - the 2 men that have had oppsosite ideologies throughout the show.
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Old 05-14-2010, 06:28 AM   #1205
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Jack and Sawyer are looking old.
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Old 05-14-2010, 07:12 PM   #1207
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Old 05-15-2010, 08:12 PM   #1208
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Why does someone need to replace MiB/Smocke?

The way I see it, MiB/Smocke is ended/killed/trapped by whatever means which means we don't need a replacement Jacob or Mib/Smocke isn't ended/killed/trapped and we only need a replacement Jacob - not a replacement MiB.

In that scenario it'd come down to Jack and "Locke" - the 2 men that have had oppsosite ideologies throughout the show.
Yea I thought the last episode pretty much hammered home the fact that the smoke monster was a unique occurence, and not a role to be filled like Jacob.
He's apparently the result of touching the forbidden fruit. A cursed figure. I don't think he was filling a role, or has intentions of having his role filled.

Jacob seems to be next in a line of guardians, preceded by mother and possibly relieved by one of the characters.
I have come to terms with the fact that explaining where his powers, or mother's powers come from, just serves to raise more questions. That's the mythology of it. Allow it. How is God "God"? What's the point in trying to explain that in detail?
I will admit I am curious about what the exact specifications of their powers are, or what happens at every unaddressed point in time, but that's natural.
I sort of expected to see Jacob react to Smokey's birth, and touch on that a bit. But that is just something that occurs offscreen. The metaphsyical aspect of the show is perfectly okay with me. There is no way of logically explaining the smoke monster, or Jacob's godly powers, and any of the islands properities without writing a fictional science book. They just have to say "this is that." I'm happy with that. We saw where The Smoke Monster came from, and understand his motives.
All that matters is that those characters have been given their backstory. We know how MIB became The Smoke Monster, and how Jacob became the Guardian. We have a loose understanding of the island that will likely get some more "light" shed on it.

Remember when George Lucas gave us a biological explanation of how the force works? Everyone hated it. A little mystery and fictional faith is good.

Also, I love the fact that they haven't given the MIB/Smoke Monster a name.
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Old 05-15-2010, 08:15 PM   #1209
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could care less about the outrigger chase. What's the big deal with that? It's just a cool overlap in the time loop. It'll be fun to speculate on who was involved, but if it didn't effect what is occuring in the timeline now, it obviously didn't have major consequences.
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Old 05-15-2010, 08:21 PM   #1210
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I was loving last weeks episode, and then the Smoke Monster transformation seemed abrupt and underscored. I thought about it for a while, and realized it was right the way it was. That's how it should be, really. What would a 10 minute powerpoint by Jacob explaining his powers do? The problem with things that get as big and involving as Lost, is that everyone's got their visions and opinions of how things should be. Expectations become mythical in status.
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Old 05-15-2010, 08:24 PM   #1211
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I want to go back and watch the episode again this weekend too. I need to re-listen to the stuff Mother says about the cave of light, and how that relates to Jacob's explanation of the island as a cork in a bottle.
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Not to raise expectations, but this week's episode is supposed to be pretty awesome according to early reviews from people who went to whatever event they had last week with the composer for Lost.
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Old 05-15-2010, 08:54 PM   #1213
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I was loving last weeks episode, and then the Smoke Monster transformation seemed abrupt and underscored. I thought about it for a while, and realized it was right the way it was. That's how it should be, really. What would a 10 minute powerpoint by Jacob explaining his powers do? The problem with things that get as big and involving as Lost, is that everyone's got their visions and opinions of how things should be. Expectations become mythical in status.
You cant explain powers like that. I dont know how one could even do it. There always has to be some mystery to the supernatural or else it just devalues it.
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Old 05-15-2010, 09:00 PM   #1214
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I'm in a good position though, because all along I've sort of purged myself of questions. I watch avidly to find out what's going to happen, but early on I taught myself that I was in it for the ride, and the characters/mythology, not the prize.
I probably got to be that way in the second or third season really. I really haven't been anything but pleased with what they deliver.
I'm glad I'm not as concerned with theories and everything fitting. I feel as though at this point, I've gotten what I wanted from that. I never had a real opinion on what I wanted everything to be anyways, I just wanted more Lost.

I've learned to expect quality, and not much more than that. I have things I'd like to see happen, and wouldn't like to see happen naturally, but as long as the story is given justice and they do good by what they have done for the past 6 years, that's fine with me.

I'm glad to hear that they've made a conscious effort to put the mythology stuff to rest at this stage, and focus in on the characters and current plot for the finale.
The mythology and mystery has been given plenty of answers, I feel. I am good with most of it. I like that some of it can be talked about for ages. That's what makes mystery and mythology compelling.
It's the characters and story that needs resolution, not the exposition.
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Old 05-15-2010, 09:05 PM   #1215
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One thing I can't help but "expect" is more resolution for the real Locke. I don't want to go in focusing on that happening, because it may not. And maybe it shouldn't. I will have to see how the story unfolds, and how it all fits in the end before I can judge that. I just can't help but have the desire and suspicion that he's coming back. I don't want to hinge my enjoyment of anything on that though, since it very well could fit into a plan we haven't seen unfold yet.
We shall see.
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Old 05-15-2010, 11:17 PM   #1216
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I'm in a good position though, because all along I've sort of purged myself of questions. I watch avidly to find out what's going to happen, but early on I taught myself that I was in it for the ride, and the characters/mythology, not the prize.
I probably got to be that way in the second or third season really. I really haven't been anything but pleased with what they deliver.
I'm glad I'm not as concerned with theories and everything fitting. I feel as though at this point, I've gotten what I wanted from that. I never had a real opinion on what I wanted everything to be anyways, I just wanted more Lost.

I've learned to expect quality, and not much more than that. I have things I'd like to see happen, and wouldn't like to see happen naturally, but as long as the story is given justice and they do good by what they have done for the past 6 years, that's fine with me.

I'm glad to hear that they've made a conscious effort to put the mythology stuff to rest at this stage, and focus in on the characters and current plot for the finale.
The mythology and mystery has been given plenty of answers, I feel. I am good with most of it. I like that some of it can be talked about for ages. That's what makes mystery and mythology compelling.
It's the characters and story that needs resolution, not the exposition.
well said The mythology means nothing if I didnt care for the characters so much
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Old 05-15-2010, 11:41 PM   #1217
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I've thought it's been awesome how they've managed to continually attach more and more meaning to "the numbers" without giving a flat out explanation or reason for them. They're just a meaningful pattern of numbers that arise in key situations of the show, and it's meaning is open to coincidence vs fate.
I thought having it ultimately culminate as the candidates was a huge payoff.
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Agreed, especially that I thought we were done with the numbers headed into the season.

It also ties in really well with the Valenzetti Equation about saving the world, which is what we were told they originally were (through the Lost Experience)
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Screw this "Lost Experience". If it isn't in the show then it is irrelevant to me.
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Desmond is one of my top 3 characters and I cannot wait until him and Jack have a lil catch up. Not that I fully expect this to happen.
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Old 05-18-2010, 09:27 PM   #1228
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I don't want to see such a twist tbh.
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Old 05-18-2010, 09:41 PM   #1229
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Old 05-18-2010, 10:36 PM   #1231
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Awesome awesome episode.

Question- MIB's main goal is to get off the island, but now Jacob is saying that they must protect The Light from him.
I know he looked for the light for years, but why would he be trying to find it? Doesn't he just want to leave?
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Old 05-18-2010, 10:54 PM   #1232
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Maybe he needs to go back into the tunnel to leave?

Or at least into the light the same way?

I am pissed with the way characters are just going out without fully learning about them. grrrrr.
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Old 05-18-2010, 10:57 PM   #1233
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I thought he just wanted to flat out leave the Island, but maybe that was his way of trying to kill the candidates?
Like I said, I'm a bit unclear right now as to whether he wants to leave the island or steal the light. It seems as though those are two different things, and it's really a matter of what's at stake

Maybe Jacob just meant they need to protect the light from him in case he wants to use it?
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Old 05-18-2010, 11:06 PM   #1234
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Well after last week I truly feel he thinks of the light as his way off the island, expecially after going into it. He has to Kill Jacob and stop the candidates so that no one is protecting the light.

The Plane/Sub was just a way to get everyone together to be killed.

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Old 05-18-2010, 11:43 PM   #1235
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but he also wants to destroy the Island now? Although that sounds like more of a reaction to what Whidmore told him.
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Also, MIB recruited Ben by promising him he could have the Island once he was gone. Then he tells Ben flat out that he wants to destroy the island now.
Sweet deal...

I need to rewatch the episode, because I'm pretty confused on what the fuck MIB's motive is right now. The antagonists overall motive is a pretty important thing
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Old 05-19-2010, 12:10 AM   #1237
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Old 05-19-2010, 01:37 AM   #1238
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well tonight's episode confirmed that MIB going into the tunnel is where the smoke monster originated. so that answers that.

Jeri, like Hanso was kind of saiyng, I think maybe MIB/Smoke/Locke has to go back into the tunnel to get his release if you want to call it that. But now he wants to destroy everything anyway.

So now my question is what or who was the mother protecting the light from in the first place because there was no Smoke Monster. Was thier some other "evil?" ugh


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Old 05-19-2010, 01:55 AM   #1240
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When is it shown for you fuckers in U.S?

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