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Old 05-05-2010, 08:32 AM   #1
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Lesnar VS Carwin
Pretty excited about this. Don't know too much about Carwin but his record is pretty impressive, especially with the whole 'first round' thing he has going for him. Dunno what his chances against Lesnar are, but would love to see him beat the shit out of Lesnar (who I don't hate or anything, just think he's really arrogant and should get his ass kicked).
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Old 05-05-2010, 10:37 AM   #2
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Yeah this fight definitely intrigues me. First cause Carwin just seems like this unstoppable beast. The fight that was to be a true challenge and test for him... did take him the longest to win... but only went a minute longer than his previous longest fight. He took Mir, the new bigger, bulker, and stronger Mir, and dominated him to a TKO finish in the first round. Carwin has been a true beast.

Then Lesnar... who we all know what he's done. He's shown he can go the distance. He's gone three full rounds against Herring, 3 against Couture, 2 in the last fight with Mir. But the difference tween Lesnar and Carwin is Lesnar has been nailed a couple of times and still stood. We haven't really seen Carwin's chin get tested all that much yet. We just see him test other people's chins and show them that they can't withstand his power.

So on the one hand I do want Carwin to win cause he's just one of those awesome fighters that you can really get behind. Seems like one of those really humble guys and everything. Then on the other hand there is the whole era of Lesnar going on on now and it's been an impressive ride. But that arrogance... but the thing about Lesnar's arrogance is that he has been able to back it up each and every time. It isn't like he talks crap and backs out or gets his ass handed to him... he beats the crap out of the guy. But then Lesnar isn't really one that talks a lot of crap... he lets his gloves do the talking for him.

So I'm kinda divided on who I want to win... but I think out of them... I'm leaning more towards Carwin.
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What I don't understand is why boxing and MMA can't use fucking digital scales for weigh-ins. It is 2010 FFS.
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Old 05-05-2010, 07:09 PM   #6
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digital isnt as reliable
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Lesnar will rip his head off and poop down his throat...

Ok seriously, of course Carwin will be a challenge, but Brock isnt the best in the world for nothing. Brock hasnt even had a real challenge in UFC yet, he has breezed through all his fights and dominated. Carwin doesnt have what it takes to beat Lesnar because he hasnt faced anyone on Lesnars level yet. And dont give me Mir, that first match was a fluke because of an idiotic referee.

So, its going to be a good fight, but Lesnar will pound Carwin's ass.
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riiiight so lesnar got caught in a submission because of an idiotic ref.

Anyway... who has lesnar faced that you would consider "at his level?" who has he faced that you would consider the best in the world?
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Lesnar has only had 5 fights, and is 4-1 in them. He is facing a guy who has had twice as many fights as he as. Shane is 12-0 and has never gone into the 2nd round. I feel that Carwin has a damn good shot of winning, but Brock is such a physical freak of nature that you can never tell and he is going to get better as this is only his 6th fight. Both men will be in the biggest and toughest fight of their careers at UFC116. The only mutual opponent is Frank Mir, and I'd say Carwin was more impressive against Frank Mir...but both did win by pounding his face in.

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BROCK LESNAR'S RECORD

Result Opponent Method Event Title Date Round Time

Win Frank Mir TKO (Punches) UFC 100 - Lesnar vs. Mir 2 7/11/2009 2 1:48
Win Randy Couture TKO (Punches) UFC 91 - Couture vs. Lesnar 11/15/2008 2 3:07
Win Heath Herring Decision (Unanimous) UFC 87 - Seek and Destroy 8/9/2008 3 5:00
Loss Frank Mir Submission (Kneebar) UFC 81 - Breaking Point 2/2/2008 1 1:30
Win Min Soo Kim Submission (Punches) K-1 HERO's - Dynamite!! USA 6/2/2007 1 1:09

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SHAWN CARWIN'S RECORD

Result Opponent Method Event Title Date Round Time

Win Frank Mir KO (Punches) UFC 111 - St. Pierre vs. Hardy 3/27/2010 1 3:48
Win Gabriel Gonzaga TKO (Punches) UFC 96 - Jackson vs. Jardine 3/7/2009 1 1:09
Win Neil Wain TKO (Punches) UFC 89 - Bisping vs. Leben 10/18/2008 1 1:31
Win Christian Wellisch KO (Punch) UFC 84 - Ill Will 5/24/2008 1 0:44
Win Sherman Pendergarst TKO (Punches) ROF 31 - Undisputed 12/1/2007 1 1:41
Win Rex Richards Submission (Guillotine Choke) AOW - Art of War 4 10/27/2007 1 1:24
Win Rick Slaton KO ROF 30 - Domination 9/15/2007 1 0:49
Win Chris Guillen Submission UTS 6 - Ultimate Texas Showdown 6 6/24/2006 1 0:29
Win Justice Smith TKO (Punches) Extreme Wars 3 - Bay Area Brawl 6/3/2006 1 0:31
Win Jay McCown Submission UTS 5 - Ultimate Texas Showdown 5 4/29/2006 1 1:31
Win Casey Jackson Submission (Guillotine Choke) Extreme Wars 2 - X-1 3/18/2006 1 0:22
Win Carlton Jones Submission (Punches) WEC 17 - Halloween Fury 4 10/14/2005 1 2:11

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Old 05-08-2010, 11:51 AM   #10
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I think it's going to be a war no matter what happens.

Carwin KO in round 3.
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Lesnar unless Carwin can get a flash KO.
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riiiight so lesnar got caught in a submission because of an idiotic ref.
No, but I don't think anybody is really saying that though. There are alot of people that believe Lesnar would've won that first fight had it not been for Steve Mazzagatti and his bullshit "punch to the back of the head" call. Whether he would've or not I guess we'll never know but I'm fairly certain that he would've.

He's probably better off having lost though because he learned a lesson in that first fight that he'll probably never forget.

And shutup BillyBones. You ass.
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I'm an ass because I am telling the truth about the fact that Lesnar is going to rip Carwin into shreds? I know everybody hates Lesnar because they are jealous of his success but there is NO WAY that Carwin can beat him. Carwin only beat TWO real fighters in Gonzaga and MIR. That is not enough to even CONSIDER him a threat to the best MMA fighter in the world, Lesnar.
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Old 05-21-2010, 05:17 PM   #14
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I'm an ass because I am telling the truth about the fact that Lesnar is going to rip Carwin into shreds? I know everybody hates Lesnar because they are jealous of his success but there is NO WAY that Carwin can beat him. Carwin only beat TWO real fighters in Gonzaga and MIR. That is not enough to even CONSIDER him a threat to the best MMA fighter in the world, Lesnar.

im a Lesnar fan myself, but lets be honest...Brock only fought two real fighters himself, in Couture and Mir, so im not sure why youre talking like Lesnar has fought the best of the best and ran through the entire division.

Carwin and Lesnar will be competative, both have similar games, with Carwin being a clearly better striker on standup and Lesnar having a faster/better takedown shoot to get into his comfort zone.
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I'm an ass because I am telling the truth about the fact that Lesnar is going to rip Carwin into shreds? I know everybody hates Lesnar because they are jealous of his success but there is NO WAY that Carwin can beat him. Carwin only beat TWO real fighters in Gonzaga and MIR. That is not enough to even CONSIDER him a threat to the best MMA fighter in the world, Lesnar.
No, you're an ass because of the way you present your information like it's fact and like there is absolutely no other way it could possibly go. MMA is one of the unique sports in which a "favorite" still has very ample opportunity to lose.

You also provide very little evidence for big substantial claims. Not just in this thread but everywhere. You then throw in things like "You all really think the way I do, you're just afraid to say it because of your jealousy." It's absolute fucking ludicrous and outright nutty behavior on your part. Now either get with the program and just have an intelligent conversation with us about this stuff or just stop it. You're coming across just really awful.

The good news is that you're a fairly new poster and you could stop being ridiculous today and alot of people would just forget about it all. Now, knock it off.
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Kurt Angle would so take Carwin in a minute.
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Man, I am a fan of Lesnar. After the way he decimated Mir, I am also a fan of Carwin! Dana White has said that Brock's illness had him only fighting at like 60 percent of his potential, and this fight will be the Healthiest Brock we've seen in the Octagon....


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Man, I am a fan of Lesnar. After the way he decimated Mir, I am also a fan of Carwin! Dana White has said that Brock's illness had him only fighting at like 60 percent of his potential, and this fight will be the Healthiest Brock we've seen in the Octagon....


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So, Brock was sick when he beat Mir and Randy?
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So, Brock was sick when he beat Mir and Randy?
Yes, Dana White has said that Lesnar has been sick for a long time, and he basically said that we haven't seen Lesnar at 100% yet.

Too bad for Carwin that he will see Brock at 100%.

Not for long tho, cause Brock is gonna smash that smug face of his.
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Yes, Dana White has said that Lesnar has been sick for a long time, and he basically said that we haven't seen Lesnar at 100% yet.

Too bad for Carwin that he will see Brock at 100%.

Not for long tho, cause Brock is gonna smash that smug face of his.
Brock better be able to take Carwin down, because if he can't, Carwin is gonna make quick work of him if the fight stays standing. Brock doens't stand a chance on the feet against Shane, he didn't even want to stand with Mir, at all.
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Brock better be able to take Carwin down, because if he can't, Carwin is gonna make quick work of him if the fight stays standing. Brock doens't stand a chance on the feet against Shane, he didn't even want to stand with Mir, at all.
Too bad Carwin doesn't stand a chance on the ground. Its going to be interesting, but with Brock's past performances, I doubt he will have trouble throwing Carwin onto the mat and once that's done, the match is over.
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you realize he had trouble against randy right?
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You aslo realize Mir can't wrestle at all, which is why brock was so dominant.
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You also act like Brock is going to toss Carwin around, he isn't. Carwin is almost as big as Brock, if not as big. He has a wrestling background, and like reavant said, Brock had trouble with Randy. Brock is going to have a hard time getting a win, this isn't going to be like his match against Mir, and if you think so you're crazy. Carwin finished Mir in the first and didn't even give him a a chance.
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im a Lesnar fan myself, but lets be honest...Brock only fought two real fighters himself, in Couture and Mir, so im not sure why youre talking like Lesnar has fought the best of the best and ran through the entire division.

Carwin and Lesnar will be competative, both have similar games, with Carwin being a clearly better striker on standup and Lesnar having a faster/better takedown shoot to get into his comfort zone.
I agree Lesnar has only fought two real fighters (Herring was good but you're right not Top 20 or anything). But Shane Carwin has only fought two real competitors before in Gabriel Gonzaga and Frank Mir.

It should be a good fight but I'd have to put my money on Lesnar since I saw Gonzaga take down Carwin in their fight and was doing well. But all respect to Carwin who was able to get up and KO Gonzaga. This is about "untested" of a title match as you can get. Both guys have only fought 2 real tests
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You also act like Brock is going to toss Carwin around, he isn't. Carwin is almost as big as Brock, if not as big. He has a wrestling background, and like reavant said, Brock had trouble with Randy. Brock is going to have a hard time getting a win, this isn't going to be like his match against Mir, and if you think so you're crazy. Carwin finished Mir in the first and didn't even give him a a chance.
He's not going to throw him around but Brock is bigger, faster, stronger (maybe not in punching power), more agile, and a better wrestler than Carwin. As long as Lesnar doesn't keep his head in on place (like Mir) and let Carwin repeatedly punch him in the face I'd say Lesnar takes the fight.
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You realize Lesnars most impressive win was similar to Carwins, only Carwin finished Mir faster.
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My point is, the same can be said of either guy, as long as the other doesnt let the other do what he wants, only Carwin has the ability do to more. Lesnar was Bigger, faster and stonger than Randy, and it was no cake walk. Lesnar is one dimensional, Carwin had stand, can ground and pound, and he can submit you. I just don't see Lesnar have that much of an advantage, if any in this one.
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Billybonez would suck Lesnar's penis if he got the chance. This is a very equal matchup, and could truthfully go either way. The question is how is Carwin's cardio? We havent seen the guy get passed the first round.
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I'd expect Brocks cardio to be the more suspect, guy has been out so long.
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I hope this thread is still here when this fight happens.

I want to come in and laugh my ass off at alls of you for doubting Lesnar because when Carwin ends up being owned and crying, all of you will have to make up excuses for why Lesnar dominated him.

Yeah, u make good points but Lesnar is a beast. He aint just sitting at home, he is getting stronger every day and he is getting better by practicing. I am sure Carwin is working out too, but when u are born a monster by nature like Brock is, its hard to take u on. So far no one has been able to phase Brock or even hit him with a good punch.

What makes u think Brock will suddenly open his guard and let Carwin get a punch through? Also Lesnar pretty much always dominates the ground. He is not one dimensional at all and u can beat he is going to get Carwin on his ass fast.

And guess what, Carwin's matches all ended in round 1 and he never really got into a ground scuffle with someone as talented and well endowed as Lesnar. So we dont really know what Carwin can do on the ground with a monster the size of Lesnar! Sure I may be too cocky, but I bet Lesnar is going to dominate Carwin on the ground.

You say Lesnar is one dimensional, but Carwin is even more so. Carwin only relies on his punch power to win matches and land shots...but Lesnar is not somebody who is easy to land as punch on and yeah u got right that Lesnar's chin hasnt been tested, but guess what in order to test it u first have to hit it and I dont see Lesnar fighting like a dumbass and allowing Carwin to get him on the feet, Brock will push Carwin down with his power and start 'poundin.

I just dont see Carwin taking this sorry and this is speakin from someone who give his fair props to any fighter, but until Brock faces Fedor (who is busy ducking him), he will not be the underdog ever.
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just stop, you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.
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Billybonez, you're being fucking ridiculous. I explained why a couple posts ago but you ignored it. I'm thoroughly convinced you have no clue as to what you're saying now.
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No, you're an ass because of the way you present your information like it's fact and like there is absolutely no other way it could possibly go. MMA is one of the unique sports in which a "favorite" still has very ample opportunity to lose.

You also provide very little evidence for big substantial claims. Not just in this thread but everywhere. You then throw in things like "You all really think the way I do, you're just afraid to say it because of your jealousy." It's absolute fucking ludicrous and outright nutty behavior on your part. Now either get with the program and just have an intelligent conversation with us about this stuff or just stop it. You're coming across just really awful.

The good news is that you're a fairly new poster and you could stop being ridiculous today and alot of people would just forget about it all. Now, knock it off.
This really explains everything perfectly. No wonder you decided not to acknowledge it.

Now close this thread.
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Clearly Billybonez has no real knowledge of the sport, and simply says 'Brock Lezn0r is teh bests, he wuz born a monstar!'
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His argument is based on the fact that Lesnar has size, athleticism, great wrestling skills, and unbelievable power. Things that Carwin has as well. The whole argument is fucking idiotic.
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I hope this thread is still here when this fight happens.

I want to come in and laugh my ass off at alls of you for doubting Lesnar because when Carwin ends up being owned and crying, all of you will have to make up excuses for why Lesnar dominated him.

Im pretty sure if lesnar destroys carwin everyone will be impressed



Yeah, u make good points but Lesnar is a beast. He aint just sitting at home, he is getting stronger every day and he is getting better by practicing. I am sure Carwin is working out too, but when u are born a monster by nature like Brock is, its hard to take u on. So far no one has been able to phase Brock or even hit him with a good punch.

For being such a lesnar supporter, you dont know much about him... He was NOT born a monster. In fact, in high school he wrestled in weight cklasses under 200 lbs. He wasnt even a hwt until college. I believe Jon Madson (on the hwt TUF show) beat him in high school at 135! Carwin was a heavyweight in high school.

Oh and randy hit brock... in fact he cut brocks face under his right eye. soooo you might want to choose your words a little different



What makes u think Brock will suddenly open his guard and let Carwin get a punch through? Also Lesnar pretty much always dominates the ground. He is not one dimensional at all and u can beat he is going to get Carwin on his ass fast.

Well lesnar might get carwin on the ground fast. I will not be surprised at all. However, if brock has his guard up blocking punches, then hes not going for takedowns... sorry but you cant do both at the same time. Now he can try taking a shot while carwin is punching, but he might get caught. and from all of the matches we saw with lesnar, he has only tried and had success from taking a guy down and staying on top.



And guess what, Carwin's matches all ended in round 1 and he never really got into a ground scuffle with someone as talented and well endowed as Lesnar. So we dont really know what Carwin can do on the ground with a monster the size of Lesnar! Sure I may be too cocky, but I bet Lesnar is going to dominate Carwin on the ground.

The fact that you just called lesnar well endowed scares the hell out of me..

We dont know what lesnar can do on the ground with a guy the size of carwin.



You say Lesnar is one dimensional, but Carwin is even more so. Carwin only relies on his punch power to win matches and land shots...but Lesnar is not somebody who is easy to land as punch on and yeah u got right that Lesnar's chin hasnt been tested, but guess what in order to test it u first have to hit it and I dont see Lesnar fighting like a dumbass and allowing Carwin to get him on the feet, Brock will push Carwin down with his power and start 'poundin.

umm... you clearly havnt seen all of carwin's matches... against neil wayne, carwin double legged him to the ground and mounted him and got the tko victory. He also used his wrestling to put mir in the fence and dirtty box him to oblivion.




I just dont see Carwin taking this sorry and this is speakin from someone who give his fair props to any fighter, but until Brock faces Fedor (who is busy ducking him), he will not be the underdog ever.


soooo do you make your opinions right from the sherdog rankings?
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My point is, the same can be said of either guy, as long as the other doesnt let the other do what he wants, only Carwin has the ability do to more. Lesnar was Bigger, faster and stonger than Randy, and it was no cake walk. Lesnar is one dimensional, Carwin had stand, can ground and pound, and he can submit you. I just don't see Lesnar have that much of an advantage, if any in this one.
Carwin is a good fighter, a damn good fighter in fact. He's the number one contender for a very good reason, I'm not trying to take anything away from Shane Carwin's abilities as a fighter. All I'm saying is that just as Lesnar has never dealt with anyone like Carwin, Carwin has never dealt with anyone like Lesnar.

Believe me I know Carwin won his fight faster that Lesnar won when they faught Mir. You have to realize something important though against both Lesnar and Carwin Mir had a terrible game plan. Carwin was able to take Mir out faster beacuse Mir's game plan against Carwin was more condusive to a knockout. Against Carwin Mir wanted to stand and knock him out (based on the hubris of knocking Kongo cold) but against Lesnar all Mir talked about was breaking Lesnar's arm, so his game plan was to submit Lesnar on the ground. It's easier to knock Mir out on his feet then it is from inside his guard. But with all respect to Carwin, Carwin does had the better punching power so that's probably the biggest reason he got the KO quicker.

Carwin is a more diverse fighter than Lesnar but don't make too much about Carwin's stand up it's stiff and measured just like Lesnar's. The reason he gets the edge there is because of the marginal skill advantage and the power advantage.

What I keep thinking of was how easily Gonzaga was able to get the fight to the ground against Carwin. Carwin was able to get back up in short order but if Lesnar puts Carwin on the deck (and based on the ease Gonzaga did it I think he will) I don't know if he could get back to his feet without taking damage. And if Carwin is on the ground I seriously doubt he's so good off his back that he can submit Lesnar.

The real x-factor is cardio. Lesnar looked fine after going 3 round with Heath Herring but how much did his near fatal illness take out of him? Know one knows. As for Carwin he's never needed a second round so who knows how his cardio will hold up or even how his psyche will hold up going to a second round? Sure he works with a good camp for cardio but theirs a diffrence between cardio in the gym and cardio in the cage. If I had to guess Carwin probably has the cardio advantage just because of Lesnars illness.

It'll be a good fight. I'm picking Lesnar to win but I wouldn't be shocked at all if Carwin knocked him out. Everyone's reasons for picking Carwin make total sense, I just see it going a different way.

If Lesnar loses I'll be the first to admit I was wrong.
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