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Old 05-24-2010, 02:35 AM   #1521
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Hmmm I dont remember him on the plane

EDIT: He was with Ben and Hurley. Im sure he sailed off the Island in his boat
Yea, I'm pretty sure he missed the flight. It doesn't matter too much though, since if he wants to go home Hurley can let that happen, and he obviously would.
Obviously he wants to go home and see Penny and his child, also. Widmore took him against his will to begin with.

That's really the beauty of Hurley running things. As they say, he can do things his way and you know you're going to get pure and fair intentions.
Ben staying is perfect, not only because The Island is his only home, but because he's such a morally ambiguous character like Lock Jaw said.
Serving Hurley is really part of his real life pennance. It's also great that he's welcome to move on in the afterlife with all of the other good characters, but chooses to think about his bad deeds for a while longer.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:40 AM   #1523
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All season long I had been pretty hopeful that real Locke's character would return in the Island timeline, but after the way tonight's episode went, I really have changed my mind.

His character arc had completed and the way his beliefs and presence were carried on through the other characters was perfect. Especially since we learn that he was ultimately right, and in a better place. MIB called him a sucker, but he ended up dying in such a way that proves destiny. That's stronger vindication.

Having him rise from the dead really wouldn't served to do anything but be momentarily exciting and expected. Him living on through Jack was way better.
He couldn't have really done anything other than fill the Jacob role for some time before dying again, and that wouldn't really be worth it.
Hurley's on that. Locke did his part.
Just goes to show how it's hard to judge or set expectations before seeing how the whole design unfolds.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:41 AM   #1524
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Just finished about 20 minutes ago here in the UK. I am seriously lost for words. It was fantastic. The ending just made it clear that all these questions that weren't answered weren't really necessary and I honestly can't think of a better way to end it.
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I'm so impressed that they managed to make one massive final twist, that had such profound meaning behind it, rather than just being there to be shocking or a cliffhanger.
I think everyone had been rightfully scratching their heads over the alt. universe all season, and probably even all during tonights episode, until in an instant it all made sense and became clear.
May sound kind of cheesy, but in a way it was almost like it was for the characters. Instantaneous enlightenment. The viewing experience mirrored the story.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:53 AM   #1526
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Which theme from the musical score was playing during the final minutes?
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I'm surprised Miles made it all the way to the end and off the island. He didn't really have a "role" on the show, but was just kinda there. I mean, I loved his character. Just didn't feel he was there for a reason.
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Which theme from the musical score was playing during the final minutes?
I'm not actually sure about that but we got about 3 variations on Hollywood and Vines
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Also I loved the whole "Christian Shephard" as in him being a shepherd, and then leading them all into the light at the end. Excellent touch I thought.
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I can't wait to watch the whole thing through again from the start now that it's over
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Oh yea, Hollywood and Vines being in there was so awesome
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After Jack explains how he thinks Desmond is a weapon that was there for a purpose from Jacob:

"That's one hell of a long con, Doc" -Sawyer.

Loved that line, among so many others
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Jin and Sun's unborn baby is dead too? What about the one that's alive and off island? What happens to it?
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Ben not going with everybody else as well was good too. Plenty of reasons as to why he wouldn't want to go just yet.
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I don't think everyone and everything in the afterlife is really concrete and set in stone other than the characters it revolves around.
Like Jack's son. He's not real, but rather just a way of helping Jack heal his father issues, and move to the point of being ready.
I think the same goes for Jin and Sun's unborn child there. It's part of their odyssey.

Though I do think there's some substance to characters like Ana Lucia (who we see in the afterlife), Michael, and others not being in the church at the end. They're probably still doing time in the purgatory of that "alternate universe."
Since it's such a spiritual thing, I don't think there's much substance to too much logic and rules. It's all happening in both an instant, and for eternity in a way.
It's not like their souls sit an wait until the precise moment when their enlightened, in succession. They die and go to that point, it all just unfolds in a manner that is visible to the audience and shows their passing on/becoming ready.

Anthony Cooper sits there and drools on himself for eternity. Brilliant. Though he could probably deserve even worse. Hopefully he's also in some personal mental hell.
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Yea man, this show has really been a great time for me. I love talking about it on here too, and I enjoy your posts and discussion just as much as you enjoy mine.
Kinda gonna miss discussing with "the regulars" from the Lost thread.
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God that was incredible when Vincent laid down next to him, not only because it's amazingly heartwarming, but because it totally goes with the mirroring of the first shot of the show.
Seeing that plane leaving too.

That last scene really is worth every ounce of anticipation.
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None of the freighter folk were in the church at the end were they?
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No. It was pretty much just the 815 survivors, and Penny and Desmond.
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Yeah, quite clearly too. Dunno how anyone could say otherwise.
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Reading stuff over at a Lost forum and plenty of people seem to be unhappy about the ending. But hey that's the internet for ya.
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Reading stuff over at a Lost forum and plenty of people seem to be unhappy about the ending. But hey that's the internet for ya.
I looked around to see a little feedback and I saw a lot of positive, and of course some negative.
I think overall it will have a stronger approval than probably expected for a finale, but there's obviously going to be a ton of haters. That's just life.

A big complaint I see is that it was emotionally satisfying but not intellectually satisfying, or some shit to that effect.
I don't really get it. That's not the point of the final part of a story. It should leave us feeling satisfied on an emotional level with the characters.
If there were more big intellectual issues, it would mean more big questions. Isn't that what they didn't want?

There's been plenty of intellectual reward and content all along. There's so much to talk about there.
Just because the finale isn't getting bogged down in that shit doesn't mean it's not also there.

I don't get it. Those people have driven me crazy for a while anyways. I don't think they're really as into what the show is really about, as much as they are the scientific/theoretical side and the idea of getting answers.
That stuff is all a big part of what makes the show great, but it's not really what storytelling is all about, or at the core of this story.

I'm glad I liked it, and seemingly all of you guys who discuss it with me on here.
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Yeah most people that didn't enjoy it seem to be complaining that we got no answers to stuff like how it was possible for the likes of Jacob, Hurley, Walt, Miles etc to possess special gifts and also the origin of the light.

But the way I see it, people didn't complaing about how it wasn't possible for vampires to actually exist in Buffy, or how it would be unrealistic for Dr Who to do, well everything he does. So they shouldn't really complain about this.

I'm not even sure if that made any sense, I've been awake now for about 30 hours so I'm pretty tired.
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Yeah, quite clearly too. Dunno how anyone could say otherwise.
Couldn't really see the logo nor was I looking for it seconds after the final title popped up.
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But it was still kinda obviously the same stretch of beach with the wreckage for the most part laid out the same.

Though I see your point where if you weren't really paying attention you may not have noticed
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Exactly Igni. People never question that stuff in other things because they aren't so dialed into this false sense of deserving an answer for everything.
Supernatural is supernatural, and a little mystery is what makes that a compelling thing. If it wasn't that way, it would just be plain natural.
But they gave us plenty. I've been satisfied with the show from that angle for a couple weeks now. I just wanted to see how the final act of the story ended, and what happened with the characters.

If the finale was a shooting gallery of needless answers, it may have pleased a lot of people in the moment, but later set in as unfulfilling.
In the days, weeks and years that followed people would eventually realize that stuff only matters so much, and that there will always be more questions.
There'd be a void for a more rewarding and complete emotional closure.
The show had the sense to give that, because that's really what it's always been about anyways.

It's not like they didn't deal with the big questions either. They were just dealt with at earlier points in the season. That's still there, it just isn't in the design of the finale.
It was incredibly smart to wrap that aspect of the show up a couple weeks ago, and shift complete focus to the story and characters.
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Oh shit yeah just remembered. At the very start of the episode it came up on my screen saying "Sorry there are technical difficulties". I stood up and was about to destroy something within range when it came on as normal after about 3 seconds.

Also over here in the UK, in between each flash from island time to flash sideways (should we really be calling it this now?) time it would come up saying "This is a live simulcast from the US" lol
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Honestly wasn't sure how I felt about the finale when it happened. I was left sitting there with a kind of 'empty' feeling, because it was all happening so fast and I couldn't grasp it all right then. Also, the show was ending. But after letting it sink in, I am finding it to be a fantastic ending to the series.
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