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Old 05-25-2010, 07:46 PM   #1721
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Terry O'Quinn meant volumes to this show. He played not only one, but two incredible characters.
The other guy who played MIB in his true form was great too, but Terry O'Quinn was huge in making MIB one of the greatest villains ever.
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Old 05-25-2010, 08:02 PM   #1722
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Yeah, just the fact that he played two very different (in my opinion) characters so well in the show, is enough for me to give him the nod as one of the most impressive performances of the show. He made us love him as John Locke, rooting for him to be right the whole time, and then made us loathe him as it became clear what an evil person the MIB was.
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Old 05-25-2010, 08:09 PM   #1723
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my remark was more to do at the time of such danger and epicness, that it was only Jack who was the real choice at the time.
I understand and agree with you.

But I still wanted to point that out
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Old 05-25-2010, 08:22 PM   #1724
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Im going to assume Hurley didnt make Ben ageless like Richard so he probably died of old age. Hurley probably eventually just felt like it was time to stepdown.

They werent paired alot during the series, but throughout the run of Lost Ben and Hurley did have some nice moments together.
Just think of the wealth of pop culture references Hurley must have up his sleeve after a lenghty tenure as the island protector.
We know Jacob could travel to the mainland on business.
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Old 05-25-2010, 08:57 PM   #1725
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Just think of the wealth of pop culture references Hurley must have up his sleeve after a lenghty tenure as the island protector.
We know Jacob could travel to the mainland on business.
I cant imagine the Island not being ultimately more fun with Hurley in charge
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Old 05-25-2010, 09:03 PM   #1726
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I think without Smokey there, he would have freedom to be a bit more casual about it. Smokey was also the reason Jacob kept the island continually populated with potential candidates, so that when MIB found a loophole there would be someone who could take his place.
That's where most of the conflict came from. The different people on the island and MIB's antics.
I'd imagine Hurley's version of the island would probably involve keeping The Light and Island hidden, and a lot of people who aren't so salty.
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I see a bonus DVD included in the future boxset.

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Old 05-25-2010, 09:37 PM   #1728
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I do have a question. When all the characters had thier little flashback moments in the finale, was that basicaly symbolizing them coming to terms with thier lives and letting go? And so they were ready to move on? And I am assuming that since purgatory really has no "time," it's not like they all let go within 2 hours of each other, right?
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Old 05-25-2010, 09:49 PM   #1729
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To all those who say the show was always about the characters, and that is why the finale was all about the characters. The Island was just as much of a character as the rest, and it got shafted. All I'm saying.
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How did The Island get shafted? Half of the finale was dedicated to the conflict of the Island, and that conflict including stopping it from sinking to the bottom of the ocean and stopping The Smoke Monster from getting away.
There was tons of Island stuff. They went to the center of the goddamn thing and saved it.
And it got appointed a guardian that ensured a peaceful and continued existence for it.
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Old 05-25-2010, 10:18 PM   #1731
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Cool writeup from someone who worked on the show...

http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.co...on-finale.html
A lot of what this guy says about the story and such, I agree with, but as far as the stuff he claims to be in-the-know about by being an employee, he's bullshitting.
I read a USA Today article a week ago in which Lindelof and Cuse talk about how they (those 2) decided upon the final scene early in the second season.
This guy claims it was written at the same time as the pilot and was "JJ's ending."

I'll take the word of the show's creators and USA Today on that. Especially considering they'd be inclined to claim they came up with it earlier than season 2 if they were bullshitting.
This guy is probably just a knowledgeable fan who wants to convince other fans of things.

It's also pretty much common knowledge that the pilot and the first few episodes were approached with the general idea of the show, and key elements of mythology introduced, but for the most part they were still working out where they were going, and they were buying time by laying some basic groundwork before getting into that stuff.
It's been known all over the place since early on.
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Just thinking of some other answers we got from the show...

In Flashes Before Your Eyes, Eloise tells Desmond going to the Island and pushing the button will be the most important thing he ever does...Some questioned why she would say that when it leads to Daniel dying, but...

The answer is two fold...
1) Its his forgetting to push the button that brings the plane there, and ultimately Jack who saves the Island...

2) It allowed him to experience the electromagnetism for the first time, preparing him for removing the cork from the Island, helping Jack with number 1.
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Old 05-25-2010, 10:42 PM   #1733
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I do have a question. When all the characters had thier little flashback moments in the finale, was that basicaly symbolizing them coming to terms with thier lives and letting go? And so they were ready to move on? And I am assuming that since purgatory really has no "time," it's not like they all let go within 2 hours of each other, right?
They all wouldn't be ready to move on without each other, so I imagine this purgatory went on at once, like he said with no concept of time. They just needed someone to help them come together
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Old 05-26-2010, 01:40 PM   #1734
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Just thinking of some other answers we got from the show...

In Flashes Before Your Eyes, Eloise tells Desmond going to the Island and pushing the button will be the most important thing he ever does...Some questioned why she would say that when it leads to Daniel dying, but...

The answer is two fold...
1) Its his forgetting to push the button that brings the plane there, and ultimately Jack who saves the Island...

2) It allowed him to experience the electromagnetism for the first time, preparing him for removing the cork from the Island, helping Jack with number 1.

I also don't think Eloise was trying to stop Daniel from dying in any way. In fact, she was trying to ensure it happened.
She knew she killed her own son in 1977. That's why she pushed him into a life of science, instead of his love for music. She knew what he had to do, and forced it to ensure the time loop completed.
That's sort of what makes her character interesting to me. She has to sacrifice her own son in order to keep things rounded.
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Old 05-26-2010, 05:13 PM   #1735
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WHich is why in the afterlife she doesnt want Daniel to go...she finally had him back.
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So apparently on the bonus features with the season 6 boxset there's going to be an Epilogue of Hurley and Bens time on the Island together following the events of the finale.

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2010/05/...ue-of-ben.html

Not really too sure what to think of this, I was more than happy to leave that stuff untouched, but at the same time I guess it will be interesting.
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So apparently on the bonus features with the season 6 boxset there's going to be an Epilogue of Hurley and Bens time on the Island together following the events of the finale.

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2010/05/...ue-of-ben.html

Not really too sure what to think of this, I was more than happy to leave that stuff untouched, but at the same time I guess it will be interesting.
Well now those are answers no one was asking for, haha
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Is that in addition to that "unanswered questions" documentary they're planning?

That should be cool. I'm not really demanding answers, but it will be cool to hear the writers talk about a few things that they didn't have time to write into the show, or even reveal some stuff that they decided against using/showing (like the outrigger, walt, maybe the Egyptians)
I love just listening to Lindelof and Cuse talk about the show
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Old 05-27-2010, 10:13 AM   #1741
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Old 05-27-2010, 10:15 AM   #1742
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hmmm, this site says it will be in the series box set and not just season 6

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I'm sure everything on the season 6 set will be in the entire series set. If anything, it will probably have more stuff.

I'd really like the entire series boxset, but I'm not sure if it's worth it for me. I have seasons 1-5 on dvd already. I'll buy season 6 when it comes out, so I'll essentially just have it already.
I'm a sucker for Lost though, and I would kind of like to get it in blu ray eventually.
I'll probably get it in blu ray somewhere down the line, but since I already have the seasons I won't be in a rush.
Hopefully somebody buys me it for christmas or something
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Just read that the epilogue is going to be around 15 minutes and will be on the complete series set.
So I guess those of us who bought the seasons individually are fucked? I hope it's on the Season 6 set too.
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The link I posted a few posts up claims it's going to be on both.
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15 minutes is quite a long time. I wonder if it's going to be just about Hurley and Linus, or if it's going to show any other stuff.
Personally, I'd kind of prefer if they didn't show anything else involving the characters who got home on the Ajira plane.
Jack watching them fly overhead was perfect.
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Showing what happens to characters like Richard and Miles wouldn't really matter to me. That would be cool. None of it's really a big deal, but I'd kind of rather not know what happens to Kate and Sawyer. Especially Kate, just because of her ending with Jack and the last shot of the plane getting away.
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I think the fact that I don't even really want an epilogue just shows how satisfying that ending was to me.
Hurley and Linus stuff will be pretty awesome though. I'd rather see a 5 or so minute Missing Pieces on the Egyptians or something, rather than anything involving Kate or Sawyer.
It would be funny to see Richard trying to adapt to a normal life in 2007. He'd probably need Miles help just as much as Hurley needs Ben's
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I hear ABC is spinning off Richard and Miles into a sitcom in which that very thing happens!
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I'm am still rewatching season 2 right now. I noticed in one of the Sayid Flashbacks that he meets Kates father (via him showing Sayid a picture of Kate) as they were riding in the army truck.

By the way, I am trying to undrstand if Jughead did anything other then transport the '77 people into 2007? Is that all it did? Season 5 was a huge mind fuck for me, so I really need to rewatch that one.
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It didn't create an alternate universe, that we know of. It had nothing to do with the afterlife universe we saw all season. They basically pulled the wool over our eyes and made us think Jughead "worked."
It didn't work as they intended it to, but it essentially worked since it transported them back to 2007 and everything went down the way it did.

I think what it basically did was just cause "The Incident" that we always heard happened at The Swan before they put the button there. The bomb definitely didn't go off normally because that would fuck the whole place up, but it probably caused a big burst of energy from that pocket.
My guess is pretty much that the explosion and the release of energy from the pocket neutralized eachother and caused a flash that sent them back to 2007. Dharma filled in the hole, finished The Hatch, and put the button there which eventually made them crash. Makes sense to me. Mindfuck for sure though.
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got ya.

Since you mentioned Jughead (and somebody might have mentioned this a couple pages back), but I like how Juliet says "It worked" to James in the Afterlife timeline at the vending machine. It's like she already crossed over when she said "It worked" as she lay in the hole.
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He's been going on and off the Island for years remember, he visited Locke early on in his life, plus he was part of the Mittelos Bioscience team that the others used to recruit Juliet. One can assume he was used to recruit other people too.
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He's been going on and off the Island for years remember, he visited Locke early on in his life, plus he was part of the Mittelos Bioscience team that the others used to recruit Juliet. One can assume he was used to recruit other people too.
Yea I know but even still he probably would be new to a lot of things. He obviously knows how the world has changed, but I doubt he's had to do a lot of everyday things.
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Can someone hook me up with a link to a decent download of the finale?
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Just read an interesting blog about how the Valenzetti equation predicted the numbers were variables in averting the end of the world, and how they ended up being the candidates, and changing one of them (Jack) is what saved everything.
Pretty cool.

I read a few comments of people complaining. It's amazing to me how many people seem to have missed the point entirely.
One guy was complaining about not getting any kind of answer about "why they went through everything they did" and "why the island was so mysterious"
He also was asking what connection there was between the afterlife and The Island.
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I guess The Island and the afterlife don't have any real tangible connection, aside from the story and characters. That's like questioning what kind of connection there is between the island and all of the other flashbacks and flashforwards though.
Story and character.

On a much larger scale, I would say the fact that the Island is destiny and the grand source of all life/death is more than enough connection with an undefined spiritual afterlife. I think it's safe to say whatever all powerful force the island is part of, is also connected with life after death.
Everything they did in life (particularly on the island) is what led up to their afterlife. Everything in their life led up to The Island.

That's like asking what connection our lives as human and the world as we know it have with the afterlife (if there is one.)
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