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Old 06-02-2010, 09:57 PM   #1281
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Joyce has come out and said he blew the call and he cost the kid the perfect game.
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Old 06-02-2010, 09:59 PM   #1282
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Apparently the umpire manual states that on a ball hit to 1st base, the first base umpire needs to be 2 to 3 feet off the line in order to make the right call. GUESS WHERE FUCKING JIM HANDLEBAR MOUSTACHE JOYCE WAS. YUP, ON THE LINE. FUCKING LAZY PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:00 PM   #1283
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Joyce has come out and said he blew the call and he cost the kid the perfect game.
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT GET US? "OOOOH I COST THE KID THE PERFECT GAME". ILL JUST GO OUT AND DO MY JOB TOMMOROW AND WIDEN THE INDIANS STRIKEZONE AND SHRINK THE TIGERS. GOOD JOB JOYCE, GO FIND SELIG AND MAKE SURE YOU TWO HOLD ONTO ONE ANOTHER LIKE CROSBY AND BETTMAN DO
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:12 PM   #1284
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Kurkjian just called it the worst call in regular-season history. Absolute fucking nightmare.

And God, I wish Griffey could have stayed healthy. Can you imagine what the landscape of the game would have looked like if he - and not McGwire or Bonds - had been the one breaking records? He's a shell of his former self, but still one of the all-time greats. Such a shame his retirement is going to be overshadowed by Jim Joyce...
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:19 PM   #1285
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Oh what a shocker. The Mets only score 1 run for Santana, so K-Rod gives up that 1 run cushion.

The Mets should trade Santana. It's not fair to his career to keep screwing him over like this.
Raul Ibanez and Shane Victorino for Santana? How bout it?

I'm sure this trade works for everyone.
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:24 PM   #1286
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:25 PM   #1287
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why cant the commish overturn this and declare it a perfect game?
He could in theory overturn the ruling in the same way he was in charge of changing the rule to determine a perfect game in 1991/1992 and then a few years ago that got rid of a lot of older perfect games in MLB history (and no hitters/1-hitters).
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:28 PM   #1288
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Kurkjian just called it the worst call in regular-season history. Absolute fucking nightmare.

And God, I wish Griffey could have stayed healthy. Can you imagine what the landscape of the game would have looked like if he - and not McGwire or Bonds - had been the one breaking records? He's a shell of his former self, but still one of the all-time greats. Such a shame his retirement is going to be overshadowed by Jim Joyce...
Griffey Jr and the 1995 Mariners team are the only reason the Mariners didn't move from Seattle when the city refused to pay for a new stadium.

Griffey Jr was amazing in the '90s and crazy how after the 1st year with the Reds he basically began to fall apart injury-wise. No question without a doubt that he would be the current home run champion and maybe be near the 1000 HR mark by now if it wasn't for injuries.
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:28 PM   #1289
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He could in theory overturn the ruling in the same way he was in charge of changing the rule to determine a perfect game in 1991/1992 and then a few years ago that got rid of a lot of older perfect games in MLB history (and no hitters/1-hitters).
He can overturn it, but it remains to be seen if he will.
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:36 PM   #1290
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Aaaaand the Mets lose yet another series on the road. They haven't won back-to-back road games since last July. Unreal.

Furthermore, Santana gave the Mets 15 scoreless innings on this road trip, and the Mets lost both games. *head hit desk*
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:37 PM   #1291
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:53 PM   #1292
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Old 06-02-2010, 11:02 PM   #1293
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just got home and saw this. oh my god, I want to cry for the guy right now. I've never seen anything like this. I'm at a loss here. what the fuck. 2 OUTS IN THE 9TH. WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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Old 06-02-2010, 11:05 PM   #1294
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Old 06-02-2010, 11:06 PM   #1295
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lol @ the Cleveland runner being shocked even. wow
lol that's the best part.

Everyone on Cleveland looked like they were just uncomfortable being on the field after that incident.
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Old 06-02-2010, 11:12 PM   #1296
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It's pretty disgusting. I'm just as let down in MLB as I am in the call. Mistakes happen, but I can't believe there was no attempt by the other umpires to discuss it, and stall for MLB to potentially step in.
I don't care if that's something that doesn't happen. In cases like these, in this day and age, it should.
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Even the runner knew he was out. God fucking hate MLB umps
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Old 06-02-2010, 11:15 PM   #1299
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It's not like NBA refs are any better, or NFL refs through history. At least there has been instant replay instituted there, though.
It should exist in cases like this. If the game has serious consquences, or historical significance, replay should be allowed.
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Exactly, the 3 other main sports all have instant replay. Guess who doesn't?
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Well they do technically have replay.
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The problem with any potential reversed decision is that it will then lead to people calling for reversals all the time.

Ugh. They should have done something to get it right before that fucking game ended. It's called extenuating circumstances.
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:55 AM   #1303
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I just saw the video and photographic evidence and fuck yeah he was out clearly. Fucking umpire. Also, sucks Griffey has retired too.
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Old 06-03-2010, 03:39 AM   #1304
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I dunno guys, I agree it sucks but I think everyone's overreacting a bit. Calling for an overhaul of a sport's rules because some kid's stats got hurt is a little strong.
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Old 06-03-2010, 04:09 AM   #1305
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I dunno guys, I agree it sucks but I think everyone's overreacting a bit. Calling for an overhaul of a sport's rules because some kid's stats got hurt is a little strong.
Why are you always trying to be the contrarian of the board? You're wrong. Hate to break it to you. It's a huge deal. It's only happend 20 times in 130 years. And almost every pitcher thats done it has been considered the best of the best as far as pitching goes. And if i was a fan at the game, i'd be devestated that i was robbed of a chance of seeing a perfect game live.
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Yeah, some sort of challenge system for non-HR calls has to be put in place. It really won't take all that long if it needed to be used.

Can't challenge balls and strikes. But you CAN challenge safe/out, catch/trap, etc.

Each manager gets one challenge, and if they get it right they get an additional challenge until they get one wrong. Simple...and if the umps make THAT many bad calls in one game that all those reviews are needed, it'll be a red flag to the league that those umps suck.

I'm sick of old-timers defending the "human element" when the amount of bad calls has never been worse. Mind, as retarded as the Jim Joyce call was...I do feel bad that his reputation is now tarnished and he may end up receiving death threats. But a challenge system will not only prevent this, but also keep fat fucks like Joe West from taking the game into their own hands and trying to stir shit up just to make a name for himself and try to sell his shitty country album.
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Old 06-03-2010, 09:27 AM   #1308
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Furthermore, I have SOME optimism that the call could still get reversed. If it were anything other than out #27, I'd say no. But it was the last out of the game. The game ended there and that last AB didn't happen, simple.
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:15 AM   #1310
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Andres was pretty ok with it. Loved his attitude right after and then again in the interview. Selig should step in and make a favourable ruling. It would be a great move on his part imo.
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They should really reverse the decision. He was out by a fuckin mile.
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:54 AM   #1313
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Why are you always trying to be the contrarian of the board? You're wrong. Hate to break it to you. It's a huge deal. It's only happend 20 times in 130 years. And almost every pitcher thats done it has been considered the best of the best as far as pitching goes. And if i was a fan at the game, i'd be devestated that i was robbed of a chance of seeing a perfect game live.
Right, it's a big deal and it really sucks and I feel bad for the kid, but here's the problem: it didn't affect the outcome of the game. The Tigers still won, and in the end that's all that matters. People are outraged and demanding changing the rules because an ump messed up a kid's stats, not because he made the Tigers have to get an extra out.

I want instant replay. I want something like the NFL challenge system in MLB. But all these people calling for instant replay now when they weren't calling for it before are overreacting and way off base. If umps costing a team a win isn't a good enough reason to install instant replay, then an ump costing a kid a perfect game isn't a good enough reason either.
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Selig is consulting with his advisors to decide if the call should be overturned.

Tony La Russa, who is on the advisory board, has already said it should be overturned.

I think it will happen. It was going to be the game-ending play anyway. Why not give him the perfect game that he deserves and at least clear Jim Joyce's name?

I'll lose what little respect I had for Selig if he doesn't reverse the call. I mean, if Fay Vincent can get rid of 50 or so no-nos, Selig can give the guy a perfect game when he clearly had it.
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If he does it he's doing it for Joyce. The best part of throwing a perfect game is the last out and the celebration. That's gone forever.
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A perfect game is more than just stats though. It's not about his WHIP or ERA. It's about achieving a baseball milestone, that fans care a lot about. It's the same as other major accomplishments and records, which are more valued among the baseball community and fans than any other sport, arguably.

I agree there are lines. They can't go and reverse the decision after the game has ended, because that opens up the flood gates. I do think that there should have been something more done before they continued with the game, after such a glaring error that so many people cared and would continue to care about. I also think that it should serve as just another eye-opener to making potential changes, though. It's nothing I didn't feel already after some horrible calls in the past few years, including last post season.
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Braves v. Dodgers is gonna be a good series. This road trip is probably going to be brutal for the Braves. They will have played something like 14 more games on the road than at home after this stretch, and they have one of the best home records in baseball.
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I don't think reversing this call would open the flood gates. It's such a special situation that will more than likely never happen again.

If it were anything other than the last out, it can't be changed.

If the Indians had gotten another hit or walk or something AFTER the blown call, it can't be changed.

The way it worked out is like the only way I could see it being overturned without opening any flood gates.
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Damn. When did the Braves get so good again? Last time I checked they were dead last in the NL East and now they are 2 1/2 games up on the Phillies. WTF?
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Damn. When did the Braves get so good again? Last time I checked they were dead last in the NL East and now they are 2 1/2 games up on the Phillies. WTF?
Ever since Bobby fixed the line-up (Prado 1, Heyward 2), and ever since Troy Glaus starting fucking raking the ball. Pretty amazing since Chipper and McCann haven't been hitting well at all and have both been injured off and on, and everyone who isn't Jason Heyward had been sucking in the outfield (though Eric Hinske worked his way into a starting platoon in LF). The pitching has been consistently good all season (even with Jurrjens out).

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