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Old 07-04-2010, 09:33 PM   #1
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So TNA's doing the Hammerstein Ballroom.
It's on Thursday, September 23rd. I suppose it's just a house show but it seems weird that they'd run it against Impact. Could it be a live Impact?

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Old 07-04-2010, 09:35 PM   #2
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More credit to the rumoured TNA-ECW faction.
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Old 07-04-2010, 09:40 PM   #3
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The fans there will shit all over the TNA product.
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Old 07-04-2010, 09:41 PM   #4
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lol kinda want to go just to be apart of what will likely be a great crowd.
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Old 07-04-2010, 10:10 PM   #5
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Do it Xero. It could be an "I was there show"
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Old 07-04-2010, 10:13 PM   #6
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I wonder if this means the TNAECW faction will officially debut on that date.
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Old 07-04-2010, 10:13 PM   #7
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Y'reckon they could drag this "ECW Invasion" out til September.

First we had Dreamer. Then Dreamer, Raven & Stevie. Then Dreamer, Raven, Stevie & Rhino. Next week add Sadman. Follow that with Sabu. And then everyone from 2 Cold Scorpio to Tajiri.

Then at the Ballroom show it is revealed that the mastermind behind it all was...











"Daddy's Little Princess" Brooke Hogan
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Old 07-04-2010, 10:23 PM   #8
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wow....really? i think most people have accepted the fact that ECW is dead and enjoyed the little bit of the WWECW reunion before that went to hell. 10 years later TNA tries to cash in on something that's already been done to death by holding it in one of ECW's old venues. Do they honestly expect a hardcore ECW-like following to show up?
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wow....really? i think most people have accepted the fact that ECW is dead and enjoyed the little bit of the WWECW reunion before that went to hell. 10 years later TNA tries to cash in on something that's already been done to death by holding it in one of ECW's old venues. Do they honestly expect a hardcore ECW-like following to show up?
How long have you known TNA again? It is their modus operandi.
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Old 07-04-2010, 11:38 PM   #10
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Old 07-04-2010, 11:39 PM   #11
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This is either going to be slightly interesting or a huge failure.
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If it is indeed a live IMPACT, it will be really interesting to watch.
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Old 07-04-2010, 11:55 PM   #13
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Cant imagine Orlando Jordan going down well (insert gay joke) with the Philly crowd, Rob Terry will probs get shit on as well
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Old 07-05-2010, 12:10 AM   #14
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Would be much better to run a "test" show in a smaller and less hotbed ECW territory but one of the unique things about ECW was how passionate the crowd was regardless if it was in a hotbed like the Hammerstein Ball or a smaller area.

It is very possible TNA would succeed on the 1st show or week but if their attempt at the Monday Night War has shown is they won't be able to sustain any momentum after a week or two later.
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Didn't TNA want to move from Orlando? Is this going to be their new home?
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Old 07-05-2010, 12:50 AM   #16
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This is going to be a slightly interesting huge failure.
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Old 07-05-2010, 12:52 AM   #17
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Something "big" will obv happen. No other reason why they'd promote it so heavily, they've already been there before
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Old 07-05-2010, 02:15 AM   #18
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I hope TNA gets the shit booed out of them there
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Old 07-05-2010, 02:17 AM   #19
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The last time somebody filmed there on live tv the crowd voiced their displeasure with "Change the Channel', "Same Old Shit, "You Both Suck".

All of these chants would be heard in n the Impact if they didn't tell the crowd that they are party of the team, and had to play ball and pretend like what they were watching wasn't crap.

I'd love to see them try to tell the New York crowd to behave.
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If it is indeed a live IMPACT, it will be really interesting to watch.
They won't even let their own fans shit on the product. I have trouble believing even TNA management could be defective enough to run with Impact live from Hammerstein.

Though I fucking hope I'm wrong. That'd be awesome.
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TNA presents: Dancing with the ECW Extreme Stars
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Old 07-05-2010, 11:08 AM   #23
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Dunno if it'll be a live show...but this is not the first time TNA has done a show there so why would the crowd shit on the product? Plus ROH will b there on the 11th as well, so I think it will be a good 2 weeks of wrestling in NYC
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The last time somebody filmed there on live tv the crowd voiced their displeasure with "Change the Channel', "Same Old Shit, "You Both Suck".

All of these chants would be heard in n the Impact if they didn't tell the crowd that they are party of the team, and had to play ball and pretend like what they were watching wasn't crap.

I'd love to see them try to tell the New York crowd to behave.
That was pretty funny..i remember that show...Thats wha happens when u put 2 non ECW guys on a their show lol
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Old 07-05-2010, 11:33 AM   #25
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You all obviously want TNA to fail. Yes, the ECW thing is not a good idea, but do you guys even know what you're doing here? Have you not seen what's happened to the business lately? I mean I'm actually stunned at how ridiculous you all sound right now. Yeah Xero, go ahead and show up and boo the holy high hell out of the business you have supposedly been a fan of for years. Maybe I'm taking these comments too seriously, but sooner or later you guys won't have anything to complain about because there will be no professional wrestling on television to speak of. You want to complain here about it, sure no problem I can go along with that...but don't you dare show up to a live show just for the sake of ruining it. I'd rather you weren't a fan at all in that case.
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TNA's ECW Group will be more successful than the ECW Alliance (not the show..) in WWE AND NEXUS COMBINED!

Though honestly thats not too hard of a feat to accomplsh.
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I still enjoy Rhino and RVD.
I haven't seen Rhino wrestle in forever and he looks a lot smaller now. WTF?
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You all obviously want TNA to fail. Yes, the ECW thing is not a good idea, but do you guys even know what you're doing here? Have you not seen what's happened to the business lately? I mean I'm actually stunned at how ridiculous you all sound right now. Yeah Xero, go ahead and show up and boo the holy high hell out of the business you have supposedly been a fan of for years. Maybe I'm taking these comments too seriously, but sooner or later you guys won't have anything to complain about because there will be no professional wrestling on television to speak of. You want to complain here about it, sure no problem I can go along with that...but don't you dare show up to a live show just for the sake of ruining it. I'd rather you weren't a fan at all in that case.
The business is fine. WWE sells out arenas. Kids are watching. THE END.
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Old 07-05-2010, 11:50 AM   #29
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Ok, so going with a TNA point of view here, Spike Dudley will win a match and become the NEW TNA Champ at Hammerstein Ballroom, only to be squashed by Hogan in 11 seconds immediately after. Sound about right?
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Old 07-05-2010, 11:53 AM   #30
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I could see that. Good way to destroy the belt's legitimacy. First give it to a washed-up alcoholic midget then to a washed-up geriatric ass-bag.
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This could be the most successful angle then ever ran with because they are unencumbered by being PG which means ECW or "The Extremes" will be able to be hardcore instead of the pussyfied WWE sport entertainers who can even choke a guy with a tie. They can blade, do riskier spots and even swear.

They could bring in Paul Heyman and let him book the angle completely. The Extremes could target a face each week sending someone through a table or busting them open the hardway.
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You all obviously want TNA to fail. Yes, the ECW thing is not a good idea, but do you guys even know what you're doing here? Have you not seen what's happened to the business lately? I mean I'm actually stunned at how ridiculous you all sound right now. Yeah Xero, go ahead and show up and boo the holy high hell out of the business you have supposedly been a fan of for years. Maybe I'm taking these comments too seriously, but sooner or later you guys won't have anything to complain about because there will be no professional wrestling on television to speak of. You want to complain here about it, sure no problem I can go along with that...but don't you dare show up to a live show just for the sake of ruining it. I'd rather you weren't a fan at all in that case.
I wouldn't go ONLY to "show up and boo/ruin the show", as I would enjoy a decent majority of the in-ring product, but I will express my disdain for the product any way I want. It just so happens that New York and Philly crowds can be the highlight of a night, if you're in attendance.

Wrestling as a whole is in no danger of going away ANYTIME soon. WWE is VERY strong at the moment, no matter what the IWC says, and the indies are in a boom right now.

The only reason I'm so negative is because I'm not a fan of some of the things they do. That doesn't mean everything they do/I complain about is wrong, and I am definitely not the measuring stick in terms of target audience. I'm not even IN the target audience for WWE or TNA. Very few of us here actually are.

However, I don't have to sit back and just accept something for what it is if I don't like it. I've explained my stance on TNA in the past many times. I don't want them to fail as a whole, but the company, in its current form, I DO want to fail because of how they handle it. They have the talent, they don't have the right people in charge and are attempting to be what WWE used to be, which is a huge mistake.

I'm not the only one who feels this way. You just need to see the steady decline in ratings during the TNA Monday Night Fortnight. They had fans who were willing to give them a chance and they fucking blew it.
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Also, I just want to point out how disrespectful towards the fans' opinion TNA was when they told them they were "cast members". They were insulting the very fans who had been with them for years, who were going to a show to have fun, and were told to shut up.
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This could be the most successful angle then ever ran with because they are unencumbered by being PG which means ECW or "The Extremes" will be able to be hardcore instead of the pussyfied WWE sport entertainers who can even choke a guy with a tie. They can blade, do riskier spots and even swear.

They could bring in Paul Heyman and let him book the angle completely. The Extremes could target a face each week sending someone through a table or busting them open the hardway.
How would that make sense? A bunch of rowdy fans bust through security each week and destroy potentially young and vibrant talent in a way that will cause the sponsors to think twice and possibly trigger a public relations backlash. Why wouldn't TNA just ban them from the building like they did with Mick Foley the night Hogan first joined the company? What would the motivation for the "Extremes" be? Why are they viciously assaulting a bunch of younger wrestlers who haven't destroyed their bodies with the "hardcore style"?

Also, who exactly wants to see this kind of violence for no reason? In ECW it made sense to have blood in a normal match between two guys who didn't hate each other because the entire company's gimmick was to be the most hardcore wrestler. It wasn't personal and they'd more than likely celebrate the match afterward.

A bunch of guys near-retirement bloodily assaulting a bunch of people doesn't just make no sense in the context of a wrestling organization it also doesn't make sense in terms of ECW. Tommy Dreamer was the perpetual baby-face! His feuds with Raven and Stevie were classic battles of good versus evil. It was only Raven's face-turn that allowed them to work together in the dying days of ECW. Are you telling me that the fans are supposed to buy that Tommy Dreamer is turning heel just because? Or if the "extremes" are supposed to be face they could even justify in their own minds the kind of pointless violence you're suggesting?

Even if the whole idea is to "bring back extreme" then, they're still doing it completely wrong. If anything they should have recruited a new generation of "hardcore" superstars lead by a heel Raven or a baby-face Dreamer. Let's be honest though, nobody wants to see a hardcore comeback with no context. Can a bloody brawl filled with weapon spots be effective? Of course, but it has to make sense to the crowd. If the wrestlers aren't trying to prove how tough and hardcore they are why use weapons? If they're not trying to cheat to win? If they're not balls-deep in a feud with their arch-nemesis? I don't think anyone would care.

I guess though, this could be a desperate grab for that tiny minority of fans who just get off on seeing someone cut themselves but, is TNA really going to be able to wrestle away those fans from CZW? I don't think so. The levels of degradation that would be necessary to woo those dozens and dozens of sick inbred fucks would be well over the kinds of content that Spike TV would allow or that intelligent human beings would submit themselves to.

The majority of people on here respect the kind of punishment that wrestling takes on the human body and that's without the added problem of barbwire, razor blades and blunt objects. Even if I didn't care about the concussions, life-long injuries and ensuing drug-use that goes hand in hand with "hardcore", I don't think that I could respect a bunch of nonathletic morons competing in the same company as the spot-monkeys of the X division. Those guys are pulling all the stops and busting their asses night after night without the use of barbwire, fire or steel chairs. Why am I supposed to be impressed by a bunch of geriatric retards who used to be part of something? (Hogan, Flair..looking at you too).
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since tna puts on a better house show then wwe, i don't see the newyork or philly fans booing too much. if it is a live impact i see them marking out.
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wtf is everyone's problem!? They haven't even started an ECW storyline and everyone is either calling it a bad idea or will ruin the company..


why can't you guys just wait and see how they present it to us before jumping into internet smark mode?
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What has TNA done to earn our trust for them to do something amazing?
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wtf is everyone's problem!? They haven't even started an ECW storyline and everyone is either calling it a bad idea or will ruin the company..


why can't you guys just wait and see how they present it to us before jumping into internet smark mode?
They have started it...Taz is denying knowledge of it, ECW guys are showing up at shows.
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wtf is everyone's problem!? They haven't even started an ECW storyline and everyone is either calling it a bad idea or will ruin the company..


why can't you guys just wait and see how they present it to us before jumping into internet smark mode?

it's TNA, history repeats itself.
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