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Old 07-21-2010, 02:36 PM   #41
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Difference is alot of those players were drafted to those teams they played for, they didn't collude before free agency and all decide to get togather.
But so what? What important difference does that make?
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Scotty Pippen is a hall of famer in his own right and Dennis Rodman is one of the greatest rebound guys of all time. Your Jordan scenario you're trying to paint out is a little silly.
I think we tend to remember them as such because they won 6 titles, namley because of Michael Jordan.
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But so what? What important difference does that make?
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Old 07-21-2010, 02:39 PM   #44
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How is it different? Is it because LeBron can still go, but Barkley and Malone waited too long?
Yes. He is the MVP. People call him the best player in the league, and he tucked his tail in and gave up on being the man.

I dont like what Malone and Barkley did, but I can understand their desparation in their final years. Lebron is 25 and in his prime. I dont respect his move. HE gave up and decided to take the easy way out. I cant ever respect that.
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Easy way, hard way, either way they get to watch their boy LeBron win finally, cause we know it was never happening with him as the focal point in Cleveland.
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Old 07-21-2010, 02:44 PM   #46
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I think we tend to remember them as such because they won 6 titles, namley because of Michael Jordan.
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And I dont think people are getting on him for leaving to win, they are pointing out that if he was a great player he would do it himself. Yeah, other greats had good teams. But they didnt tuck tail and run to another guys team to have a chance. Lebron is the MVP. This is completely unprecedented.

Say what you want, but no matter how many rings he wins in Miami, its always going to be a stain on his career.
This is the typical post-Jordan mindset. Everyone wants to see another MJ so bad. They want a guy to win games by himself. There isn't going to be another Jordan.
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Old 07-21-2010, 02:57 PM   #48
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Yes. He is the MVP. People call him the best player in the league, and he tucked his tail in and gave up on being the man.

I dont like what Malone and Barkley did, but I can understand their desparation in their final years. Lebron is 25 and in his prime. I dont respect his move. HE gave up and decided to take the easy way out. I cant ever respect that.
But why should he waste the prime of his career in a place where the best teammate he ever had was Antawn Jamison? Are you really going to tell me that he would be better off wasting his prime and winning nothing only to try and win a title as a role player than he would be going to a better team during his prime and winning three or four titles?

It might be admirable, but it's stupid. Win while you can.
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I can live with all of that, I just want all the talk of him being great, and better than kobe, and how he is the next Jordan to stop.
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Plus his whole special, and free agency scenerio was just ridiculous.
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The problem isn't what's being said. People make claims all the time. The ones legitimizing the claims are the ones getting offended and threatened by them.
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The man is clearly full of himself. LeBron James' biggest fan is LeBron James.
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Old 07-21-2010, 03:09 PM   #53
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The ESPN special really annoyed me. I thought it was one of the least classy things I had ever seen. But that doesn't mean the decision itself was negative in any way.
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The real problem isn't with free agency, or where LeBron went, the problem is the NBA has too many teams, and the talent pool is watered down because of it. Players who shouldn't be in the NBA are, and players who shouldnt be drafted, get drafted every year. They move a team from charlotte, and than add an expansion team there 2 years later. the NBA has over expanded, and because of it we get teams that are absolutley awful and can barely win 12 games, and leads to things like 3 of the top 15 players in the league joining up.
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Old 07-21-2010, 03:20 PM   #55
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... that doesn't make any sense at all
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If anything over expansion should make it tougher for good players to join up. And it has.
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The NBA's talent has be diluted by having too many teams. Not enough talent to fill the roster spots, I mean look at the heat this past season, if the east wasnt weak and Wade wasn't unhuman, they never would have made the playoffs.
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So what annoyed people the most about the ESPN thing? I feel like people are sour over the fact that he had an "ESPN special" dedicated to his decision. Would the backlash have been as great if he had announced his decision and then done a lengthy interview on Sportscenter afterwards?
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I get that. I just don't see the correlation between over expansion and LeBron, Wade, and Bosh joining up.
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If anything over expansion should make it tougher for good players to join up. And it has.
Through the draft, but it leads to things like these in free agency, and now Toronto and Cleveland will be two more teams that struggle to compete.
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I get that. I just don't see the correlation between over expansion and LeBron, Wade, and Bosh joining up.
I'm saying that it gives incentive to want to join up. There just isn't enough talent in the NBA for those 3 guys to stay put and have the chance they have winning by playing togather.
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In the end, the bitterness stemming from how good these guys are outweighs anything that Lebron actually did. Competition is what is really fueling this hatred and I just want somebody to admit it.
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So what annoyed people the most about the ESPN thing? I feel like people are sour over the fact that he had an "ESPN special" dedicated to his decision. Would the backlash have been as great if he had announced his decision and then done a lengthy interview on Sportscenter afterwards?
It was how he dragged Cleveland fans along and then ultimately dropped them. Cleveland would've hated him no matter what for leaving, but getting their hopes up and then doing the whole big reveal thing was extremely classless.

He doesn't owe anyone anything, but the way he went about his decision was just awful.
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I'm saying that it gives incentive to want to join up. There just isn't enough talent in the NBA for those 3 guys to stay put and have the chance they have winning by playing togather.
Sure there is. That's why stuff like this rarely happens.
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It was how he dragged Cleveland fans along and then ultimately dropped them. Cleveland would've hated him no matter what for leaving, but getting their hopes up and then doing the whole big reveal thing was extremely classless.

He doesn't owe anyone anything, but the way he went about his decision was just awful.
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I don't know. I don't understand I guess. If Kobe left California millions of us would celebrate.
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Sure there is. That's why stuff like this rarely happens.
There really isn't, there is enough that like 5 teams each year have a realistic chance at winning. You can usually tell before the season even starts who will compete. Look at the east this year, it was horrendis. There were so many bad teams, and the gap between the top 4 teams and the rest of the conference was huge.

I think we didnt see this before because money played a huge factor, and when was the last time 3 free agents like this all hit the market?
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I don't know. I don't understand I guess. If Kobe left California millions of us would celebrate.
It's not that he left, it was how he left that struck so many people the wrong way. He could have had a simple press conference like every other free agent in NBA history and not ripped Clevelands heart out in a nationally televised special.
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I don't know, I still think that's getting oversold. But think how you want.
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Yeah, he totally handled it in a classy way.
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No, that's not what I'm saying. I think people are overusing what he did as an excuse to hate him, when they mostly don't like him for other reasons.
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There really isn't, there is enough that like 5 teams each year have a realistic chance at winning. You can usually tell before the season even starts who will compete. Look at the east this year, it was horrendis. There were so many bad teams, and the gap between the top 4 teams and the rest of the conference was huge.

I think we didnt see this before because money played a huge factor, and when was the last time 3 free agents like this all hit the market?

You're basing this on one season. But from season to season, there's still as much parody in the NBA as any other league. Every team in the NBA has made the playoffs since the 03-04 season and all but New York and Minnesota have been in since 05-06. It's fine.
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I always thought he was overrated and overhyped, I never strongly disliked him like I do now until I saw his decision, and the way he handled everything.
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I think one thing people are forgetting is that he did what any intelligent person would have done: He got the fuck out of Cleveland.
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No, that's not what I'm saying. I think people are overusing what he did as an excuse to hate him, when they mostly don't like him for other reasons.
No, you've got it backwards. They hate him because of the special, and now they're looking for other reasons to hate him when most of their hatred comes from the special.
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You're basing this on one season. But from season to season, there's still as much parody in the NBA as any other league. Every team in the NBA has made the playoffs since the 03-04 season and all but New York and Minnesota have been in since 05-06. It's fine.
No it's not there are plenty of teams who are perenial losers like Memphis, LAC, Toronto, Charlotte, NYK, Golden State. And I Don't think there has ever been more terrible teams then there were this last season.
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Memphis has been around since 95 and have been to the playoffs twice maybe.
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Lebron going to Miami is not the defintion of sportsmanship. He's going to Miami where he still getting paid millions of dollars to play with his best friends. He left behind a city that reportedly can lose between $20 million- $40 million.

Him going to Miami is a totally selfish move.
pretty much what I was gonna say. he's going to have fun with his friends and play ball in a sweet part of the country. seems like a pretty good life to live. nothing wrong with that
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No it's not there are plenty of teams who are perenial losers like Memphis, LAC, Toronto, Charlotte, NYK, Golden State. And I Don't think there has ever been more terrible teams then there were this last season.
That's terrible management, not watered down talent. Things can change, and they do. The Heat won 15 games in 07-08. Now look at them. The Celtics hadn't won 50 games in a season since 91-92 before they got KG and Allen.

It's not like the same teams are constantly on top. There's parody. It's fine.
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