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Old 08-17-2010, 08:17 AM   #2681
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This next Hall of Fame ballot is going to be real interesting. Lot of maybes in the clean and dirty lists of 1st time players.

Clean:
Jeff Bagwell*
Bret Boone*
John Franco
Al Leiter
Tino Martinez
John Olerud
Larry Walker



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Juan Gonzalez
Rafael Palmeiro
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Old 08-17-2010, 12:58 PM   #2683
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I feel like Delgado will get Fred McGriffed, or if he does get in, will probably wait around like Jim Rice. Its a shame though, because Delgado was one of the most feared hitters in the league for a good 8-10 years.

And I don't think anyone from next years list goes in first ballot (because, you know, baseball writers have a stick up theirass for not putting people in on the first ballot). Bagwell and Franco have an outside shot of getting in at some point.

And of course, Raffy would have made it if not for the roids
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Old 08-17-2010, 01:25 PM   #2684
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Hope Larry Walker gets in eventually but he's gonna get screwed by the mile high effect. But he was a great player long before he went to Colorado
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Old 08-17-2010, 01:35 PM   #2685
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He was, and being a mile up doesn't really help you hit .370. He also entered Colorado when he was also entering the prime of his career, so his improvement makes sense.

That being said though, he's probably a "Hall of Very Good" type guy.
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Old 08-17-2010, 01:46 PM   #2686
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Dunno feel like his defense might be enough to put him over the edge. Probaby not but oh well.
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I think Bagwell gets in for sure. Too bad it won't be in a Red Sox hat.
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This next Hall of Fame ballot is going to be real interesting. Lot of maybes in the clean and dirty lists of 1st time players.

Clean:
Jeff Bagwell*
Bret Boone*
John Franco
Al Leiter
Tino Martinez
John Olerud
Larry Walker



Dirty:
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Juan Gonzalez
Rafael Palmeiro
I'll vote "Dirty" for Bret Boone....Not that he is a Hall of Fame talent anyways. From his debut in 1992 through 1997, he totaled 62 home runs. Over his next 7 years (coincidentally during the main juicing years in the late 90's and early 2000s), he totaled 183 home runs. After baseball started cracking down, Boone quickly fizzled out and only hit 14 more homers in his career.
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I think Bagwell gets in for sure. Too bad it won't be in a Red Sox hat.
I don't know if he's a lock...he's no first ballot guy. He'll get the Andre Dawson/Jim Rice treatment most likely.
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I think Bagwell gets in for sure. Too bad it won't be in a Red Sox hat.
I haven't been a baseball fan for that long. When was Bagwell on the Red Sox?
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He was drafted by them and then traded as a prospect for a middle reliever.
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He was drafted by them and then traded as a prospect for a middle reliever.
Sounds kinda like a stupid idea. Was he that good of a prospect or was he like real bad in the minors and then came to the majors with the Astros and became better?

I just can't see the Red Sox trading a prospect for a fuckin 36 year old middle reliever unless Bagwell was real bad or sucked in the minors.
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Sometimes teams make panic moves when they're in the playoff hunt. Remember when the Mets traded Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano?
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Sometimes teams make panic moves when they're in the playoff hunt. Remember when the Mets traded Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano?

True!
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I doubt he regrets it as much since Kazmir had maybe 2 really good years and has been a #3 since.
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Old 08-18-2010, 12:05 AM   #2700
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Old 08-18-2010, 12:18 AM   #2702
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So according to Boomer's informtation it's right to for me to
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Old 08-18-2010, 01:05 AM   #2713
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he's no Mark Wholers, but he was ok.
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Old 08-18-2010, 01:07 AM   #2714
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John Smoltz was ok. Nothing major. Just ok.

When he was in his peak, Maddux, Glavine, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Curt Schilling, Roger Clemens, and at least another half a dozen pitchers were better...but Smoltz was ok.
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Maybe he'll make it in on his broadcasting career one day. Probably got all that charisma from John Rocker.
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So according to Boomer's informtation it's right to for me to
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Always happy to give out informtation.
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he's no John Rocker, but he was ok.
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Derrek Lee to the Braves? Yes please. Sending Glaus to the bench or putting him on the DL is glorious. My feeling depends on what we give up. Jordan Schafer is the only name I've seen pop up in what I've read so far, and that would be pretty good value for the Cubs. He's worked his way all the way down to AA this year from the Majors, so I don't think he is in the Braves' plans any longer anyway, but he could definitely turn into an everyday CF down the line.
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DLee is a lot better than the rumor floating around last night that A-Ram could be headed to the Braves. I almost shat myself when I heard that he was potentially heading our way. Anyways, this should work out just fine. Send Glauser to the DL and let him rest and bring him back up with the rosters expand in September. Hopefully Freeman will come around next Spring and be the answer for years to come. Glad to see another Braves homer on the board though. You from Georgia?
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DLee is a lot better than the rumor floating around last night that A-Ram could be headed to the Braves. I almost shat myself when I heard that he was potentially heading our way. Anyways, this should work out just fine. Send Glauser to the DL and let him rest and bring him back up with the rosters expand in September. Hopefully Freeman will come around next Spring and be the answer for years to come. Glad to see another Braves homer on the board though. You from Georgia?
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