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Old 08-26-2010, 03:04 PM   #1
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Why is Christian not a main eventer?
Is Vince McMahon justified in his lack of faith in Christian? Christian has been the most consistent worker in WWE since his return.

It was rumored at one point that the Battle of the Billionaires match would've been Hogan w/ Trump vs. Umaga w/ Vince. It's interesting to think how different it could've been with Hogan involved, especially twenty years after Andre vs. Hogan.
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Vince seems to be pissed that Christian went and became a star without the WWE
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Huh? I hope your not talking about TNA?
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Old 08-26-2010, 03:55 PM   #4
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Of course he's talking about TNA, man. It's no secret that Vince carries a grudge against a lot of guys who've gone to TNA for a few years only to eventually return to WWE. Let's also not try and pretend the long ECW title run he had was anything more than a token recognition of his success in TNA.

At this point, it's (sadly) starting to look like Christian may never become a WWE or World Heavyweight Champion, and that's really a shame for all the talent, and yes, charisma (it's in his nickname, FFS!) he's shown himself as having.
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Of course he's talking about TNA, man. It's no secret that Vince carries a grudge against a lot of guys who've gone to TNA for a few years only to eventually return to WWE. Let's also not try and pretend the long ECW title run he had was anything more than a token recognition of his success in TNA.
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Sadly, I think he (along with Matt Hardy) have become afterthoughts to the writing team (and Vince).

They are busy trying to establish new stars and new "names" in this time when all the old guys are leaving.

Christian and Matt Hardy are just two names who they know they can stick in any angle, against any heel they are trying to get over, and consistently get an over face reaction.
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Old 08-26-2010, 04:15 PM   #8
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He's good, and that's it.

btw when he was in TNA he never struck me as a star.
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Old 08-26-2010, 04:18 PM   #9
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christian is ok.. but yet! his in ring skills is not good at all.. i think the only original thing ive saw to christian is his finisher killswitch formely know as the unprettier.. even he is on tna.. he do frog splash (copy to eddie) then i saw him doing sonjay dutt's move on side of the ring..
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Except that she had already had a very brief run with the WWE Women's Championship, from when she'd first debuted to like 1 week later on RAW, before she left for TNA.
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Of course he's talking about TNA, man. It's no secret that Vince carries a grudge against a lot of guys who've gone to TNA for a few years only to eventually return to WWE. Let's also not try and pretend the long ECW title run he had was anything more than a token recognition of his success in TNA.

At this point, it's (sadly) starting to look like Christian may never become a WWE or World Heavyweight Champion, and that's really a shame for all the talent, and yes, charisma (it's in his nickname, FFS!) he's shown himself as having.
Christian being the brightest bulb in a room full of dim ones does not qualify him at gaining success elsewhere. It was like he was the smartest kid in the dumb class. He's there being a "success" but it doesn't mean anything.
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He just doesn't look like a World Champion. MAYBE when he turns heel.
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I think he's not a main eventer because of the field of talent right now. He was on the brink of breaking through, but I don't think that is going to happen now. Same applies for Matt Hardy.

There's a huge youth movement in WWE, and I think they'd just rather push Punk, Miz, Sheamus, Swagger, Morrison, etc. That's not to say Christian is "old", but he's been around a lot longer than those guys and he looks older.
Between the new crop of talent, and the existing main eventers, that's a lot of competition for him to get the title, even with two brands.
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Lighten up on TNA,your starting to hurt Dixie's feelings. He went down there and showed Vince what he could do,then came back for more money and I'm sure hopes of moving up. He is now just there to help push young guys. Vince has started an assembly line of sorts moving in talent and moving them out after a little amount of time. Unless they become main eventers they are out of the company in just a few years it seems,with nothing to show for it.
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Christian being the brightest bulb in a room full of dim ones does not qualify him at gaining success elsewhere. It was like he was the smartest kid in the dumb class. He's there being a "success" but it doesn't mean anything.
The problem with your theory is that TNA has quite a bit of the brightest talent right now. The dim wits are the ones on the booking team.
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People act like TNA made Christian a star just because they put their title on him. He was a star in WWE before he left, he just wasn't a top guy.

He was a star because of the Edge and Christian days, and his midcard singles work. He did more or less the same schtick in TNA, the difference is just that he was a much bigger fish in a smaller pond.

Christian's rank in the TNA hierarchy is more indicative of TNA's propensity to push WWE stars, and a smaller pool of stars, at the time. It's not exhibit A of TNA's bold approach to pushing the stars that WWE isn't willing to push. That couldn't be further from the truth.
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Christian's rank in the TNA hierarchy is more indicative of TNA's propensity to push WWE stars, and a smaller pool of stars, at the time. It's not exhibit A of TNA's bold approach to pushing the stars that WWE isn't willing to push. That couldn't be further from the truth.

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People put too much emphasis on titles anyways. Having the world title over in the Impact Zone doesn't mean you're a "bigger star" than you are in the midcard of WWE.
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Of course he's talking about TNA, man. It's no secret that Vince carries a grudge against a lot of guys who've gone to TNA for a few years only to eventually return to WWE. Let's also not try and pretend the long ECW title run he had was anything more than a token recognition of his success in TNA.

At this point, it's (sadly) starting to look like Christian may never become a WWE or World Heavyweight Champion, and that's really a shame for all the talent, and yes, charisma (it's in his nickname, FFS!) he's shown himself as having.
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The problem with your theory is that TNA has quite a bit of the brightest talent right now. The dim wits are the ones on the booking team.
We are talking about Christian's TNA run.
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Sadly, I think he (along with Matt Hardy) have become afterthoughts to the writing team (and Vince).

They are busy trying to establish new stars and new "names" in this time when all the old guys are leaving.

Christian and Matt Hardy are just two names who they know they can stick in any angle, against any heel they are trying to get over, and consistently get an over face reaction.
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Maybe if he brought back his kazoo, who knows what could happen?
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The WWE should have booked Christian to face and defeat Chris Jericho back at Wrestlemania a few years ago (if I recall correctly, Christian debuted shortly before or after Mania that year).

Flair and Jericho were balking at each other for a little.....Flair's "surprise" for Jericho should have been Christian.

To be a star in the WWE, there is often a very small "window of opportunitiy." This opportunity often entails capitalizing on a return face pop. The WWE could have done big things with Christian, but simply chose not to.
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Does anyone remember the huge pops Christian was getting, while heel, in 2005? He was the most over guy the company for a while and WWE didn't want to to anything with it.

WWE pushes who they want, and not who the fans want. The fans were making him a main eventer, and WWE said "no... John Cena, Batista, and HHH are our guys".

Christian is probably a "company" guy and just does what he's told. Guys like that don't usually make it main event status. It took WWE 13 years to give Kane a world title reign that lasted longer than a day.
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Those reactions are what initially pissed off Christian enough to send him packing to TNA in the first place, I think. Christian was getting these massive ovations (the most notable was when the WWE went to England and the fans flocked to Christian's side over Batista's), and they gave him maybe one shot against Cena after that (in a Triple Threat Match with Jericho), and then drafted him off to SmackDown! and tried to let his momentum die.

When Christian went to TNA, he was the first guy to really defect from WWE to TNA willingly, if I recall. This probably hurts a lot more than a guy being released and then working in TNA when his 90 days are up. Christian started a trend, and actually made a conscious decision to say "Fuck you, Vince." If there is a grudge against Christian going to TNA, then this is probably why. It's a shame, because that relationship has fallen through, and I'm sure Christian appreciates the WWE a little more now.

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Sadly, I think he (along with Matt Hardy) have become afterthoughts to the writing team (and Vince).

They are busy trying to establish new stars and new "names" in this time when all the old guys are leaving.

Christian and Matt Hardy are just two names who they know they can stick in any angle, against any heel they are trying to get over, and consistently get an over face reaction.
This is what I believe, too. Right now, Christian & Hardy (ironically two of the hottest acts in 2005) are being used to put over young guys like Drew McIntyre & Cody Rhodes. It's not a bad thing, and it's not like the heels are squashing them in this feud. Christian has gotten two back-to-back wins against McIntyre, which is a fairly big deal.

I think the best chance Christian & Hardy have is either as a full-time tag team (using each other to really bolster up their popularity again), or with one turning on the other. Christian as a heel is probably more fresh at this point, and will probably be more exciting.
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I actually believe that Christian would have won the title if he never went to TNA. Eventually.
That took time away, and also created circumstances that cost him time having to build up his status in WWE again.
Patience is a virtue.
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Cause he isn't that good?
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Old 08-26-2010, 07:14 PM   #29
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too small....
Hmmm, I am not so sure on that one brother Fives... Eddie Guerrero, Jericho, Benoit, Mysterio, etc... He is awesome period... And it sux that Vince hasn't put him in that position at least one time...

You know everyone would mark the fuck out if there was a title feud between Edge & Christian...
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Old 08-26-2010, 07:17 PM   #30
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Is Vince McMahon justified in his lack of faith in Christian? Christian has been the most consistent worker in WWE since his return.
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Old 08-26-2010, 07:18 PM   #31
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Old 08-26-2010, 07:18 PM   #32
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Cause he isn't that good?
I think he is THAT good I also think his look is horrible. I don't think he needs to get big or anything stupid but, if he were to get cut I think he'd have a higher place in the WWE.
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Old 08-26-2010, 09:09 PM   #33
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Ah, time to chime in.

Christian is my favorite wrestler of all time. There is a bias in me that he should have atleast had one run with the belt.

And I think that the bias is fair.

Yes, he was very over. And yes, as someone said he had that one title shot in 05. And then they ship him off to Smackdown right after. That was the biggest push of his singles career. And then immediately he is pushed down to the US Title hunt. And I don't blame him for leaving after that.

I always thought Vince disliked Christian even before he went to TNA.

I don't agree with the whole "he's too small" opinion either. Mysterio had 2 reigns...the first is probably because Eddie Guerrero died, but reign number 2 was long after Eddie died. And Jericho isn't that much bigger than Christian, is he? They were both at one time lightweight/cruiserweights.


Yeah, I also understand the whole thing about "the belts don't matter anyway" but if I was a wrestler...or baseball player, football player, etc... I'd have wanted to been on the top of the mountain at least once. And conversely, as a fan, I want my favorite to be validated by a title run.

While I agree now that right now Christian's role right now is putting over young talent, I guess there is hope since Kane has been given the belt after a long long wait.

But to those who said Christian isn't that great a wrestler, thats fine. Its suggestive. But its hard to argue that he isn't over. And I think he could be more over. His 2004-2005 WWE character could get him more over again. Still, you still hear loud cheers and see many signs for Captain Charisma.

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Old 08-26-2010, 09:12 PM   #34
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Vince seems to be pissed that Christian went and became a star without the WWE
Keep in mind it was Vince's estimation that led to him going to TNA. So it's not like he was going to get there before.
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Old 08-26-2010, 09:35 PM   #35
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Christian isn't a main eventer in WWE because Vince doesn't care what the people want he just cares about big muscular guys who he can watch get all oiled up and jerk off to in his spare time
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Old 08-26-2010, 09:50 PM   #36
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I was certain that they’d be placing the face of SmackDown on Christian’s shoulders four months ago. That obviously didn’t happen. Why? Because of Jack Swagger. They gave Swagger that briefcase, and that killed Christian’s momentum. At this point, Christian has been “cast” into his place on the card, much like John Morrison. Hopefully, this will change. He’s consistent and over as a face. People love him. Even his last match in ECW with Ezekiel Jackson was good for who he was working with. He’s easily good enough to be at the top. I don’t understand why they don’t push him and never will. He can talk and wrestle and has proven that he can get the crowd behind him, and yet he’s stuck in the midcard.

For now, I see him taking the Intercontinental title off of Dolph Ziggler at some point. I’d love to see a Christian/CM Punk feud happen immediately post-Ziggler. Also still want to see Christian vs. Edge at WrestleMania.

It was rumored at one point that the Battle of the Billionaires match would've been Hogan w/ Trump vs. Umaga w/ Vince. It's interesting to think how different it could've been with Hogan involved, especially twenty years after Andre vs. Hogan.
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Old 08-26-2010, 09:50 PM   #37
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Christian is an awesome performer, but he would have to be booked VERY well and against the right people to be any good as champion. He coudl go up well against Edge or either Hardy due to their long history. He could do well against Cena because, like him or not, Cena can work equally well with guys in either size direction from him. Against Mysterio he could peform well, but given who they are it would be a lackluster main event style. Vs CM Punk he would be a bit better. He could never do well in a high-level feud against the likes of Batista, the Undertaker, Kane, Big Show.

Bottom line, if Christian was made main event in WWE, it would lead to endless crying about how badly used he was. I'd rather see him as a symbol of underuse than poor use.
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christian is ok.. but yet! his in ring skills is not good at all.. i think the only original thing ive saw to christian is his finisher killswitch formely know as the unprettier.. even he is on tna.. he do frog splash (copy to eddie) then i saw him doing sonjay dutt's move on side of the ring..
You use too many exclamation points (these things - !)

I like Christian and would like to see him pushed, but I agree with everyone who has said that Vince holds a grudge against anyone who left WWE and went to TNA.
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We are talking about Christian's TNA run.
TNA had alot of top talent then as well.
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christian is ok.. but yet! his in ring skills is not good at all.. i think the only original thing ive saw to christian is his finisher killswitch formely know as the unprettier.. even he is on tna.. he do frog splash (copy to eddie) then i saw him doing sonjay dutt's move on side of the ring..
Go eat some rice you fucking idiot.
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