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Old 01-05-2011, 03:12 AM   #1
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Unless something drastic happens today when Beltre arrives to sign the contract, Rangers get Beltre on a 6-year, $96 million deal with the last year being an option year at $16 million. Since Beltre was a restricted FA, Red Sox get a 1st Round draft pick from the Rangers.

Dan Uggla agrees to 5-year $62 million extension deal with the Braves.
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Today all us Puerto Ricans SHOULD get the news that our fellow countryman, Roberto Alomar, has been elected to the Hall of Fame.

I'm guessing Blyleven goes in too.
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Yankees looking at Jeremy Bonderman.

Adam LaRoche to the Nationals. 2-years, $15 mil. with an option for a 3rd.
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Blue Jays sign Ocavio Dotel. That's his 11th team in 12 seasons.

Also signed Chad Codero to a minor league deal.

Both positive moves for Toronto who just can't ever seem to find a reliable closer.
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Reds are looking hard at Scott Podsednik, which is fine with me because I'm assuming Scott Podsednik's wife would come too as part of a package deal.
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Just want the Mets to lock up Chris Young and then probably call it an offseason. Maybe get either Scott Podsednik or Fred Lewis, but if that doesn't happen they have enough backup OF options anyway.
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Lol someone hacked the BBWAA website last night.

My guess is it was Alan Trammell. Or maybe Dave Parker. Cobra.
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Alomar and Blyleven are in the HOF.

Jeff Bagwell was picked on only 41% of ballots, which is ridiculous. Gotta figure he'll get in eventually.

Mark McGwire was picked on 19%, Rafael Palmeiro on 11%. I figured many of the steroid guys would get in eventually but now I have my doubts about the writers ever allowing them in.

Juan Gonzalez - 5.4%

Barry Larkin - 62%

Kevin Brown didn't get enough votes to stay on the ballot at all.

Zero votes (aka why the fuck are they even on the ballot?):
Raul Mondesi
Kirk Rueter
Charles Johnson
Bobby Higginson
Lenny Harris
Carlos Baerga

BJ Surhoff also got 1 pity vote.
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The fact that Bagwell, a guy with no steroid implications outside of the fact that he happened to play in the era, only got 41% of the votes - leads me to believe that Mike Piazza is going to be screwed in his first elibible year in 2013.

In fact, the 2013 ballot is going to be fucking crazy - Clemens, Bonds, Sosa, Piazza, Schilling, Biggio. Dare I say only Biggio is a first ballot lock due to the 3,000 hits. Schilling may get in on the first try due to postseason.

Whatever. Fuck the writers.
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The fact that Bagwell, a guy with no steroid implications outside of the fact that he happened to play in the era, only got 41% of the votes - leads me to believe that Mike Piazza is going to be screwed in his first elibible year in 2013.
Nah. Piazza was the greatest offensive catcher of all time. While Bagwell got screwed pretty royally here today, he doesn't have any such claim that makes him a first ballot lock.
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John Franco - 424 saves. Only on 4.6% of the ballots so he's gone.

Christ. He's more of a Hall of Very Good type guy, but still no reason he should have been one-and-done.
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Blyleven will probably shut up now. Always bitched and moaned each year after they announced who was going in.

Looks like Larkin will make it in next season
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Blyleven will probably shut up now. Always bitched and moaned each year after they announced who was going in.
I'm actually going to miss that a bit, because at times he came off genuinely crazy and it always made for some great soundbytes.
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Roberto Alomar made it, baby...Puerto Rico is in PARTY-MODE! We only have two Hall of Famers, Orlando Cepeda and Roberto Clemente...so now we have a third.

Also, I knew Blyleven would get in.

About Bagwell, voters have to understand it's not their job to make "statements". They're there to look at the statistics, and vote. If they want to make a "statement", then they should call somebody or write an email. It's stupid.

Also, how Fred McGriff doesn't get more support sucks, too.
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Absolute dark horse candidate with no real chance of getting in here, but how is it that some Mets fan somewhere hasn't at least come up with a pamphlet trumpeting John Franco's credentials? His closest career comparison is Lee Smith, who always gets people shouting their support for him.
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Beltre gets 6 years and 96 million from Texas.


Salaries are out of control. Last contract Beltre got - after a 48 HR year was about 40 millions less.
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5 years 80 million - there's a vesting option for a 6th year.

The deal with Seattle was 5 years, 64 million.
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5 years 80 million - there's a vesting option for a 6th year.

The deal with Seattle was 5 years, 64 million.
This is just baffling considering Beltre was 26 when he came off that monster season in LA. It shows how the free agent market fluctuates each offseason since he can land an even larger contract when he's probably past the peak of his career.
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Bagwell isn't a first ballot hall of famer anyway, but he deserves to make it eventually. Blyleven started with only 12% of the vote, so it seems Larkin and Bagwell will get in soon enough. Especially considering next year's class is pretty wekasauce.
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Bagwell isn't a first ballot hall of famer anyway.
Can't for the life of me see why not:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...agweje01.shtml

If measured by WAR, a very good statistical device in debates such as this, the only more productive offensive player than Bagwell over the course of his career was Barry Bonds. Bagwell doesn't have so much as a single legitimate juicing allegation hanging over his head. Batted nearly .300 for his career. He's got the 40th highest on base percentage in the history of baseball, the 35th highest slugging percentage, the 34th most home runs and the 21st highest OPS, all of which ranks him well ahead of literally dozens of those who have already been enshrined. Also, while it's a bit less important, it's worth noting that no one has yet been enshrined to the HOF as an Astro; this guy clearly deserves to be the first.

I'm just struggling to find any of these reasons that exist amongst the voters as to why he's not a first ballot HOFer. Far worse have gotten in their first time out.
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I think the voters are going to limit 1st time inductees as a way to keep part of the Hall special since the last few votes involved players from the steroid era.

Last year Roberto Alomar was punished from being a first ballot winner due to playing during the era and the excuse of an off-field issue from the 1990s as a reason why.

Its a stupid reason but the last few years when ESPN and other places gets articles on why people voted a certain way, it sort of hinted at the voters believing in that mentality now.
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Bagwell was never even one of the 5 best players in the league at any point in his career.

I think he is a HOFer, but not a sure 1st ballot player. All of your reasons why he is, are actually just signs of his 2nd tier greatness.

HOLY BALLS! 35th HIGHEST SLUGGING! Thats a stat of someone in the hall, but not someone that must be.
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Well, except for that one year where he unanimously won the MVP award, the other seasons where he finished top 5, and several other seasons where statistically speaking he clearly should have but was penalized by voters for playing on a bad team.

Other than that, though, never.
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Well, except for that one year where he unanimously won the MVP award, the other seasons where he finished top 5, and several other seasons where statistically speaking he clearly should have but was penalized by voters for playing on a bad team.

Other than that, though, never.
Yes, because MVP = Best player in the league.

I can name 15 players that are better than Joey Votto right now in the MLB.

And that includes pitchers. FYI.

Bags was never one of the top 5 players in his era.

Griffey, Bonds, Johnson, Clemens, Gwynn, etc etc

Name a year in his career and I can tell you at least 5 better players at that point in time.
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Yes, because MVP = Best player in the league.

I can name 15 players that are better than Joey Votto right now in the MLB.

And that includes pitchers. FYI.

Bags was never one of the top 5 players in his era.

Griffey, Bonds, Johnson, Clemens, Gwynn, etc etc

Name a year in his career and I can tell you at least 5 better players at that point in time.
It's not about being one of the best players in the game, or all that.

The letters MVP stand for MOST VALUABLE PLAYER.

Valuable to who?

To the team that player plays for.

So in terms of MVP, Joey Votto was the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER to the Cincinnati Reds, a team that had been a losing franchise for some time, until last year.

Just because you win the MVP, doesn't necessarily mean you are one of the Top 5 players in the game...and just because you are one of the Top 5 players in the game, doesn't necessarily mean you should be MVP.

How many MVP awards did Hank Aaron win? One. Yet he was the first guy to break Babe Ruth's all time Home Run mark (Ruth also won one MVP award).

Yet guys like Jimmy Rollins, Terry Pendleton, Jeff Kent and Willie McGee have also won MVP awards, yet they never were "Top 5 players" when they won the award. They just were the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER to their team.
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Right, except that's not what you said initially at all.

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1994 was a point in Bagwell's career. It could be rationally argued that Greg Maddux was better in 1994 than Jeff Bagwell, though since that was an unusually strong pitching season, Bagwell's numbers produce a higher WAR and WARP. Aside from Maddux, no one else came close. That's it.

1997 was a point in Bagwell's career. In that year, he was by all overall statistial measures the fifth best player in all of baseball. In 1999, only Pedro, Pudge and Chipper beat out Bagwell, and Pudge only does once his position is factored in. 2000-1 are another two years where most statistical measures place him in the top 5.

Again, by quite literally every reputable source and account, the ONLY more productive offensive player than Bagwell over the course of Bagwell's entire career was Barry Bonds. I'd go so far as to add Greg Maddux to the list on the pitching side, effectively making Jeff Bagwell the third best player in all of baseball from 1991 to 2005. Other than that, you're looking at a ton of pitchers who had peaks and valleys during Jeff's career, and a bunch of offensive players whose offensive output he simply dwarfed from '91-'05. Thomas would be his only other real competition in that regard had his peak and subsequent decline not occurred so early on.
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If you aren't a first ballot Hall of Famer you shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. The whole thing doesn't make sense.
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Right...it's not like Blyleven picked up any more wins or strikeouts during these 14 years...

...and Alomar certainly didn't hit more Home Runs or get more hits from 2010 to 2011.

It's all these voters making stupid "statements" with their votes and stuff. The voting process is a joke.
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I think that's what Hanso is saying though.
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LOL Exactly.

I am saying winning an MVP does not equate to being the best or even a great player - to dispute the claim that Bagwell is a First Ballot player by winning an MVP. So....

Basically Aquakate repeated exactly my point, to counteract my point....
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Looks like the Cubs are gonna get Big Game Garza from the Rays. Cubs are probably gonna send Chris Archer, Hak-Ju Lee, Brandon Guyer, and Robinson Chirinos. Not finalized yet, but it looks like it's gonna happen.

Brian Bannister is taking his talents to Japan. Signed a deal with the Tokyo Giants.

Finally, Carl Pavano might be going back to Minnesota for 2 more years.
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Really don't understand what the Rays are doing. They knew they would lose Crawford, and losing Pena and his sub-Mendoza line BA isn't that big of a deal. But then they traded Bartlett and Garza and don't seem to be making any sort of play to get Soriano back, or even a guy like Balfour. They HAVE been interested in Fuentes but it doesn't sound like they'll be willing to spend enough to land him.

It's like they're conceeding that winning the division is going to be too hard now with the Red Sox' acquisitions. I know fans never show up for their games but how can they be so strapped for cash that they need to have a fire sale when they still had a team that could contend?

If anything, keep Garza until the deadline and at least make it look like you care about this season.
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Looking at where the Cubs prospects ranked in their system the Rays seem to be getting a solid return for Garza though. Just makes their farm system even more ridiculous.

3 of the guys are in the Cubs top 10 prospects. They're ranked #3, #4, #8 and #15.

Definitely doesn't help their chances for next season but will help them to reload for another run when some of their big guys get to the majors again. Waiting to the deadline would have been smarter I would think though.
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