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Old 11-07-2010, 06:55 PM   #41
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Kenny Dykstra - I agree. He was the closest thing to a blue chip that the WWE has had since Lesnar and orton coming from OVW. Still seems like he could make it, but doesnt have the drive or will to make it.
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:55 PM   #42
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Always been curious about what Pillman may have done if he'd never crashed his jeep.
Same. I think he could have gotten the spot/push Austin did. Crazy to think how much history changed or at least could have in that crash.
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:56 PM   #43
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Sean O Haire wasnt that special. His gimmick and promos were AMAZING. But how much of that was his talent? Not much. then he showed up and dropped the ball. Take away those promos and he wasnt that special.
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:59 PM   #44
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I think Matt Morgan was wasted in WWE. He is a big man that can work a decent match and cut a good promo.
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:59 PM   #45
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Oh, and cant believe this hasnt been noted.

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Old 11-07-2010, 07:16 PM   #46
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True that but again though, I think drug problems also contributed to this.
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Old 11-07-2010, 07:20 PM   #47
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Not sure if I'd class Jake as a 'waste of potential' when it comes to in-ring stuff. 'It was a different time back then', nowadays he'd have had 8 world title reigns. He is wasted potential when it comes to what he could/could have offered a company as an agent/writer however.
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Old 11-07-2010, 07:38 PM   #48
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O'haire for sure. CSL brings up a good point with Big Show. I think D-Lo never met his potential. Steve Corino was never given a chance in the big time, I don't know if that counts as wasted potential, but he has had a really good career in Japan.

And of course, Test.
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Old 11-07-2010, 07:57 PM   #49
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Yeah, you guys all bring up good points on those who was a waste because lack of pushes in WWE (Christian) and guys who wasted their own potential (Shelton, Carlito, Regal)

Guys who are wasted like Christian frustrate me because he has put in the work and the time. He is what he says he is as Captain Charisma, he is over with the fans as both a face and a heel. So clearly WWE is "wasting" his potential.

Guys like Regal and Carlito... guys who have all the talent in the world and are just short on brains (Regal) and short on desire (Carlito) have only theirselves to blame for being wasted talent. Its a shame too, because Regal has drawn a lot of heat on TV too. They could have accomplished more. Its a shame that drugs can do that to you, and Regal is lucky to still have a job.

Guys like Shelton, D'Lo, and Test... I think they got as far as WWE thought they could. I never bought Shelton or D'Lo as title contenders, and once Test was paired with Albert, his days of being any kind of draw was over.

So sometimes I think WWE should look harder at talents who are being wasted now, but I think they have done a pretty good job at realizing when certain people have peaked.
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Old 11-07-2010, 08:19 PM   #51
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Old 11-07-2010, 08:27 PM   #52
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Old 11-07-2010, 09:27 PM   #53
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I was a huge Test fan, but his failed potential wasn't due to a lack of pushes by the company. He had three big shots -- the "Love Her or Leave Her" feud with Shane, the Invasion (big IC title push, turned out to be one of the big guys to turn on WWF, won the immunity battle royal), and the run at the tail end of his WWE career. He was fun to watch (at least before he got too big), but he didn't have the charisma.
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Old 11-07-2010, 09:27 PM   #54
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Old 11-07-2010, 10:05 PM   #55
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Katie Burchill..in fact every diva (Baring Trish who worked her ass off) thats not some bleach blonde ex supermodel with double D breasts

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"Razor Ramon" Scott Hall, man. The guy would've been World Champion if he wasn't so into drinking and having too "good" of a time.
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Old 11-08-2010, 12:52 AM   #59
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I personally think WWE dropped the ball with Taz in the long run. He could have been so much more. I honestly thought they were going to make him one of their top stars when he became the first person to go over Kurt Angle, but it never happened.
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Old 11-08-2010, 12:59 AM   #60
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These things fall into two categories for me:

1) Those with talent that goes to waste because they are misused by the company they are in (Benjamin, Test in 99/2000, Christian in 05, etc)

2) Those with talent that goes to waste because of themselves (Carlito's lazines, Kendrick's weed consumption, Regal's drug abuse, etc).

Two different questions really.
1 = Lance Storm. How did WWE drop the ball from WCW's only Hat Trick champion and stable leader to huge penised dancer SCSA shits on publicly? (Remember, it was the Austin mid-match promo that started the "boooring" thing)... and as I'm typing, Seems Seph beat me to Taz. So what his debut was spoiled? The crowd fucking loved it! Second ball drop was him as the actual ECW champion vs. HHH... it wasnt like title v title, so Hunter could've jobbed to Taz to help swing some momentum his way.

2 = This category, I second Agua with Scott Hall... and to an extent, Sean Waltman. He was an amazing wrestler until after his injury, then it's like he got scared to do anything interesting on the mat, so he crotch-chopped his way to bringing about the term "X-PAC HEAT"
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Old 11-08-2010, 01:20 AM   #61
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Yeah. Scott Hall had a ton of wasted potential.


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Old 11-08-2010, 01:39 AM   #62
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D'Lo, to me, falls in a different category. He is one of the illustrious few that I believe could have greatly gained from "train-jumping" back and forth between WWF and WCW, becoming a greater asset each time, much like Jeff Jarrett.

Each time, the other side saw greater potential than the last one. I honestly believe D'Lo could have become a main eventer from a couple of high-profile returns. When the first rumors circulated of him possibly going down to Turnerland, they obviously saw him as more than Glacier-level jobber. Hell, he may have even been built (albeit by WCW standards) as a TV (don't remember when that belt was dissolved) or US champion. After awhile, he would return to WWF as at least a solid mid-carder or more, depending on who was injured or what golden angle he may have walked into at the time of his re-debut. This was before the "non-compete" era, so he would be fresh in the minds of the devout wrestling fan who didn't give a damn about brand (which was pretty much most of the casuals during that time period).
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The thing with a "monster" gimmick is that it has a shelf life. He wouldn't be able to be on top forever, he would HAVE to lose at some point. And the more that happens the more the "mystique" is chipped away at.

More so, would you trust him to be on top given his penchant for laziness?
This is true. I also agree with Fox to an extent, though. I think he definitely could have been a massive star for WWF. Much more so than he was initially. However, I agree that it would only last for a year or two, and he'd eventually have settled into the role he has anyways.

I think WCW was on the right track with him, but NWO came up and he got completely put on the backburner.
Then when WWF picked him up, there was a huge expectation for them to capitalize on the oppurtunity to promote him like Andre.
I'm not sure if they're to blame, or he is. Hard to say.

You also have to look at the fact that Austin and Rock were just starting to feud at the time he came in, and that's as big as it gets. I agree WWF could have done way more with him off the bat, but should they have instead of pushing Austin/Rock? Plus that summer was largely dedicated to getting HHH over big.
Then came Angle and Jericho. So it's hard to say how he "should" have been used.

After his big debut, seeing him as part of the Union and then a tag team with Taker was a bit underwhelming. Then his first title win was a big shocker, but almost immediately became the most downplayed reign in WWF history. A feud with the Bossman for one PPV and then dropped it on Raw?

Once they turned him heel and put him with Shane it looked like they had finally "gotten around" to building him as a monster, but that was short-lived, and supposedly due to his laziness and failure to stay in shape.

I think the best use they got out of him was his ECW title reign. That was tremendous. He was booked as an absolute monster, and that was actually one of the best booked title reigns of any title in any promotion of the past decade, I think. Still, it was only the ECW title and it was clearly treated as third tier.
Since his return for the Mayweather feud, I think he's been used pretty well. It's the role he would have settled into eventually anyways, but there was definitely some potential left on the table there earlier in his career.
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I still don't agree with the notion that a guy like Christian has been "wasted." He's had a great career and accomplished a ton, thanks to his own talent and WWE (and TNA) pushing him.

I want to see him win a world title as much as the next guy, and maybe he could have been a slightly bigger star than he has been, but he certainly hasn't been wasted.

Let's face it, he's talented and entertaining as hell, but big picture he's not going to be The Rock. Sometimes what's entertaining to cult followings isn't what's right for the masses.
There are way more people who mark for a Hogan than a Jericho, and that's just the way it's always been. So while I think the world of Christian, I can't really say he should have gotten a massive push.
A world title win would be nice, but a memorable tag team career and a subsequent singles run with a lot of great upper midcard programs is nothing to call a waste. I feel like anything short of a world title is seen as a waste to a lot of fans, and midcard has become a dirty word.
Think about Dibiase, Hall, Rude and Jake the Snake.

There are thousands of talented wrestlers who probably could only dream of having the career of Christian, and really only a few dozen, at the most, that have had a better career. Hardly a waste.
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Old 11-08-2010, 08:48 AM   #67
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Thats why with all things considered, a lot of the guys mentioned in here havent been wasted. YOU DONT NEED A WORLD TITLE TO BE A SUCCESS. Guys like MVP have had good midcard runs (he feuded with Kane and Taker right at the start, and went over in Benoits last real feud), but considering how late in the game he debuted (I think he was like 33 or sthn) and his heart problems and such, there isnt much more WWE could realistically do with him.
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Old 11-08-2010, 11:39 AM   #68
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It shouldn't be a bad thing to be a midcarder but it is, no wrestler gets in the game to be a midcarder.

Christian as an example has had a great career BUT it could have been better if WWE had capitalised on the reaction he was getting back in 2005. Instead, they threw the heat between him and Cena out of the window in a throwaway fued that also involved Jericho, then shipped him to SmackDown!

For me it's the same with Test. He could have been huge off the back of the Stephanie/HHH thing but that whole thing was designed to put HHH over, not Test. They didn't capiatalise, then put him in a team with Albert. They missed the boat that time and it often doesn't come around again.
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Stevie Richards
Brian Pillman
Test
D'Lo Brown
Shelton
Charlie Haas
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Sean O'Haire
Kid Kash
Too Cold Scorpio
Marc Mero
Louie Spicolli

Too many to name, maybe some of you guys might agree or disagree.
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Brian Kendrick

Gail Kim ( the way shes not properly being used is downright criminal)

Katie Burchill..in fact every diva (Baring Trish who worked her ass off) thats not some bleach blonde ex supermodel with double D breasts

Shelton Benjamin

Charlie Haas

Kofi Kingston (seriously WTF? hes got the look the in-ring skill I'm confident he can improve on his mic skills which arent bad anyway why this man isnt somewhere at the top of the company is perplexing as hell)

Evan Bourne

MVP

Paul Burchill (a glaring example of just how out of touch Vince really is)


The Pope (WWE)

Matt Hardy he had exactly two periods where he was ON FIRE his first heel turn and his return to the company during the whole Lita affair youd think they'd capitalize on it.

Christian (whoever in that company dosent see his star potential should be dragged into WWE headquarters parking lot forced to watch a "Best of Khali" DVD then shot.


Mike Knox Psychopath with a knowledge of human anatomy and a BEARD OF AWESOME!

John Morrison







I am the head priest in the Church of Pillman, LOVE THAT GUY!

Gail Kim botches too much
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Mike Awesome
Shane Douglas
The Wall
Stevie Richards
Brian Pillman
Test
D'Lo Brown
Shelton
Charlie Haas
Paul Burchill
Sean O'Haire
Kid Kash
Too Cold Scorpio
Marc Mero
Louie Spicolli

Too many to name, maybe some of you guys might agree or disagree.
Mike Awesome - Disagree. Outside ECW and Japan, he was definitely misused.

Shane Douglas - Agree. Drug problems derailed his momentum.

The Wall - Agree. See Shane Douglas.

Stevie Richards - Disagree. Plus, he helped many talent out by putting them over.

Brian Pillman - 50/50. Before the April 1996 automobile accident, he was used very well. After, he was very limited.
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:31 PM   #72
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Kofi Kingston (seriously WTF? hes got the look the in-ring skill I'm confident he can improve on his mic skills which arent bad anyway why this man isnt somewhere at the top of the company is perplexing as hell)
He missed his position for a Randy Orton punt, so Orton called him STOOPID!~
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:36 PM   #73
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The Pope D'Angelo Dinero - I liked him when he was in ECW but WWE didn't really know what to do with him. He's over in TNA with the fans, has above average mic skills but he's floundering around in meaningless feuds.
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Old 11-10-2010, 07:18 PM   #75
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MrAnderson in wwe
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shelton benjamin
Brian kendrick
paul london
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Old 11-10-2010, 09:45 PM   #76
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The Pope D'Angelo Dinero - I liked him when he was in ECW but WWE didn't really know what to do with him. He's over in TNA with the fans, has above average mic skills but he's floundering around in meaningless feuds.
Who isn't over with TNA fans?
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Old 11-10-2010, 11:07 PM   #77
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I don't think Ken Kennedy was wasted in WWE. Quite the contrary. They pushed the hell out of him. The problem was he would get injured right before every major push.
He won MITB: he got injured. He was supposedly in line to be Mr. McMahons illegitimate son as part of a big push: he got injured. He also got injured at least one other time after a big return and plans for a push.

So I think it was just an unfortunate string of circumstances. I don't know if either party is to blame. They tried but the guy just kept getting injured so I don't blame them for cutting him loose.

As for Matt Morgan, he's been used much better in TNA but they're still not doing him very many favors. He also wasn't nearly as good in WWE, at that point. He was way more green and uncomfortable and I don't think he was worthy of a push at the time. So it's not as simple as that.

They definitely wasted potential by cutting Dinero loose. I can't justify that. They were doing well with him during the New Breed, but they just gave up on that angle and everyone in it.
I think he could have crossed over from ECW to Raw/SD just fine, like Punk and Morrison. But despite a good start in TNA, I'm not fully convinced that they are committed to pushing him either.

Shelton is a great wrestler and exciting to watch from bell to bell, but he couldn't get it together in the other departments. In WWE that's just not going to get you a push. So no.
Same goes for Chavo, who has actually gotten a few pushes because they like him, and it just doesn't stick. He's lucky to have been around this long, tbh.

Carlito was a backstage headache and lazy as shit, reportedly. So no.

London and Kendrick got pushed as a tag team. Paul London self-destructed his career because he's an arrogant dickhead. I can't stand that guy in any interview. He seems hellbent on never getting another job in wrestling. A wrestler who can't get paid to wrestle. Good for him.

Brian Kendrick got a singles push too, and he couldn't lay off the weed. So he wasted his own potential.

How is John Morrison wasted potential? The guy has been used extremely well and things are only looking up for him. He's staggered a bit in the past year, but he seems to be on a good track and his career has already been pretty good with tremendous upside.

Calling Chris Masters a waste of potential is a joke. He was a waste of a perfectly good push.

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I personally think WWE dropped the ball with Taz in the long run. He could have been so much more. I honestly thought they were going to make him one of their top stars when he became the first person to go over Kurt Angle, but it never happened.
I thought Taz got cut short because of his injury?
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Old 11-11-2010, 11:46 AM   #80
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To be fair they WANTED to push the guy (or it seems that way anyway) but then real life terrors came up...

Scotty Goldman
Evan Bourne
Christian
Matt Hardy (though he pretty much blew it himself too)
So very true, but they could have repackaged the guy after some time off... He just disappeared off the planet...
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