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Old 11-23-2010, 10:42 PM   #41
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Gonna come right out and say I think Garth Ennis is a tad bit overrated. Don't get me wrong, he creates some great stories, and I enjoy his stuff overall. I just don't see him as the brilliant mastermind most others do. I just think he tries too hard to be shocking and gruesome. I've always been of the opinion that extremely viloent or shocking scenes are much better, and have much more impact if used sparsely, and built up properly. Good example being what happened to one of the avengers in seige.(Not going to say who for spoilers sake, but you know what I'm talking about if you read it.) Fucking 7 or 8 issues into Preacher and The Boys, and you're already desensitized to it. What's the fucking point?

Also, I feel like Ennis just preaches(no pun intended) too much about his beliefs and morals. Yeah every writer puts their own beliefs and theologies in their stories, but at least they are subtle about it. Ennis is about as subtle as a brick to the head, and he spends SOOOO much time talking about it. It's like alright I get it, let's get back to the story, asshole.

That's why I feel Punisher was his best work. He had to pull it back a bit on the graphic nature of his work since it was Marvel, and he was dealing with a character who already had an established personality and set of beliefs, so he couldn't crowd up the dialogue with all that kind of crap.

Probably not a popular opinion, but there you go.
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Old 11-23-2010, 10:47 PM   #42
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" I'm a little more bitter about the loss of innocence than Bill, but we both don't appreciate Garth Ennis having Superman demand blowjobs in a comic and expecting people to call him a genius.

People do. People suck."
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Old 11-23-2010, 11:23 PM   #43
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For the most part, these aren't "superhero" comics.

100 Bullets
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Sandman
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Old 11-23-2010, 11:32 PM   #44
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Old 11-23-2010, 11:36 PM   #45
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For the most part, these aren't "superhero" comics.


Akira
If we are suggesting manga stuff, I'd also put up Ghost in the Shell. That and Akira are both really great, don't have any of the jackassery that is in your typical anime stuff. Or at least not as much of it.
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Old 11-24-2010, 12:40 AM   #46
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I don't think he means Anime.

Like, at all.
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Old 11-24-2010, 12:56 AM   #47
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Well what Akira is he talking about then?
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Old 11-24-2010, 01:13 AM   #48
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Um, I meant that I don't think RP wanted Anime.
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It's not anime.
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Old 11-24-2010, 01:45 AM   #50
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Well what is it then?
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It's a comic. It was made into an anime, but it was a comic first.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira_(manga)
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Old 11-24-2010, 04:35 AM   #52
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Well yeah but the same stereotypes that are in anime are in manga. It's a completely different style and culture from comic books.
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It's a comic. It was made into an anime, but it was a comic first.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira_(manga)
Uh, ok. I don't care about terminology here, anime or manga, whatever.

It's still Sailor Moon to me.
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Gonna come right out and say I think Garth Ennis is a tad bit overrated. Don't get me wrong, he creates some great stories, and I enjoy his stuff overall. I just don't see him as the brilliant mastermind most others do. I just think he tries too hard to be shocking and gruesome. I've always been of the opinion that extremely viloent or shocking scenes are much better, and have much more impact if used sparsely, and built up properly. Good example being what happened to one of the avengers in seige.(Not going to say who for spoilers sake, but you know what I'm talking about if you read it.) Fucking 7 or 8 issues into Preacher and The Boys, and you're already desensitized to it. What's the fucking point?

Also, I feel like Ennis just preaches(no pun intended) too much about his beliefs and morals. Yeah every writer puts their own beliefs and theologies in their stories, but at least they are subtle about it. Ennis is about as subtle as a brick to the head, and he spends SOOOO much time talking about it. It's like alright I get it, let's get back to the story, asshole.

That's why I feel Punisher was his best work. He had to pull it back a bit on the graphic nature of his work since it was Marvel, and he was dealing with a character who already had an established personality and set of beliefs, so he couldn't crowd up the dialogue with all that kind of crap.

Probably not a popular opinion, but there you go.
I don't like how the superheroes and mutants are shown in his stories.

I mean in The Punisher series. Spider-Man's always been this joke-cracking, happy fella and all, but making Daredevil and (especially) Wolverine a comic relief? Now that's just stupid.
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Old 11-24-2010, 05:15 AM   #55
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It's because he hates superheroes. And like I said, he's not subtle about it.
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In Siege the superheroes were still kinda bad-ass.

In Punisher it is just sad.

I enjoy his Punisher stories but I don't think they're anywhere close to Punisher MAX. That was a perfect series for him to shine, considering there were no superheroes at all.
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Uh, ok. I don't care about terminology here, anime or manga, whatever.

It's still Sailor Moon to me.
Wow, you're stupid. All manga is not Sailor Moon, and a lot of manga is similar to US comics.
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Wow, you're stupid. All manga is not Sailor Moon, and a lot of manga is similar to US comics.
Nah, you're stupid.

What I was saying is the drawing style is the same in manga and anime, doesn't matter than one is comics and one is cartoons.

And I hate this kind of drawing style.
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Nah, you're stupid.

What I was saying is the drawing style is the same in manga and anime, doesn't matter than one is comics and one is cartoons.

And I hate this kind of drawing style.
Once again, are you stupid? Drawing style varies GREATLY amongst different manga. Just like comics, they have different artists with entirely different styles. Yes, Sailor Moon is drawn one way, the Battle Royal manga is drawn totally different.

I'm not trying to be a jerk about this, but come on. Saying all manga is a certain way is the same thing as saying all US comics are the same.
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Once again, are you stupid? Drawing style varies GREATLY amongst different manga. Just like comics, they have different artists with entirely different styles. Yes, Sailor Moon is drawn one way, the Battle Royal manga is drawn totally different.

I'm not trying to be a jerk about this, but come on. Saying all manga is a certain way is the same thing as saying all US comics are the same.
Not saying all manga is completely the same, but some things tend to stay the same. Huge eyes, the eyelashes, weird-shaped faces, etc.
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Once again, it varies from artist to artist. Yes, a decent amount have big eyes, etc, but not all of them. I know this because I hate the kiddy style, big eyes art. Not all manga is the stereotypical big eyed manga.
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