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Old 12-03-2010, 07:57 AM   #361
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Except A-Rod is a far better player than Jeter.
Not according to the people in Yankee land. And even so, when those guys are done, only one of them is getting his jersey retired.
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Except A-Rod is a far better player than Jeter.
Not when it counts.
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Ron Santo has died.

Oh god...we all need to hug Dave Wadding right now.

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I hate to be "that guy" but the Rockies apparently traded Chaz Roe for Jose Lopez yesterday

didn't see it posted so I figured I'd mention it
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It's SO sad Ron Santo died without making the Hall of Fame. Sure, they could vote him in now, but what good does it do, if he couldn't have the experience of standing up at the podium and "living" the experience of being inducted? He went through the heartache of not making it so many times, that it's really sad. If they vote him in now, it means that he's always been worthy, because, he hasn't had more hits or RBI's the last couple decades, so why would he be worthy now, but not before?

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Except A-Rod is a far better player than Jeter.
It's not this simple. And there are other ways to look at it. Either way, ensuring Jeter retires a Yankee is far more important to the Yankees than how he plays over the next 4 years. It's not like he's going to be shit.
And although past accomplishments aren't usually honored in contract years, Jeter is clearly one of the exceptions.

It's really about principle. If the Yankees shell out money to A-Rod, they have to give it to Jeter or there is going to be disgust among fans, both in NY and around the league.
Especially because it's the Yankees. It's not like Jeter is trying to shake down the Royals for money they don't have. It's the Yankees and we all know how they do business.

Jeter has never brought down shame, and he's been more valuable when it counts and over time. A Rod is still a great player, but he's the same age as Jeter. Most of his signing was to ensure he broke the HR record in pin-stripes.
Jeter hanging up his cleats in The Bronx shouldn't be any less important. He's the biggest Yankee legend since Mantle.
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The craziest thing is that Oriole Park is the 11th oldest Park and it was only opened in 1992. When the Marlins move out of whatever the hell they call that stadium down there, Oakland moves out of Oakland and the Rays get a new stadium/move, it'll be #8 (Fenway Park/Wrigley Field/Dodger Stadium/Angels Stadium/Kaufman Stadium/Rogers Center/US Cellular Field/OPACY) I dont see any of them being torn down any time soon though.
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Why is that crazy? There are 30 teams and Camden was the first of a huge wave of new stadiums. It's in the middle. It's not suprising at all.
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Why is that crazy? There are 30 teams and Camden was the first of a huge wave of new stadiums. It's in the middle. It's not suprising at all.
I remember going to my first game there in 1992 when I was 10. It doesn't seem like it should be the one of the oldest parks in Baseball. It makes me feel old. Also kind of bad that they're renovating it and knocking out 3,000 seats but most of the time they're empty anyway.
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It's just because every few decades, there is a huge trend of new parks. In the 60s it was the toilet bowls, and in the 90s Camden spurred the old-school ballpark craze.
Now just about everyone has a new park, unless it was authentic old school.
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Why is that crazy? There are 30 teams and Camden was the first of a huge wave of new stadiums. It's in the middle. It's not suprising at all.
It's still one of the prettiest stadiums.
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Being the 11th oldest doesn't really make it "one of the oldest" though. Only really consider Fenway and Wrigley as "the oldest" anymore. And then maybe Dodgers/Angels stadium are in the next breath
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Sad to hear the news about Santo since the voters will probably end up voting him in the Hall of Fame due to the 2010 ballot not being a mega-name year.

Yankees set to sign Rivera to a 2-year $30 million deal and had to accept a value closer to what Mariano wanted due to the Red Sox matching the offer. Had he signed with the Sox, Papelbon would have been released and Bard given another 2 years to develop more.
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I guess the thing that just irks me about the Jeter drama is the writers trying to make non-stories out of it. Who cares if they are $50 million and three years apart? Jeter is one of the few players in baseball that I doubt would have accepted an offer from any other team. Another team could have offered him an exact duplicate of A-Rod's contract and he would probably still turn it down.

I guess that's the problem with baseball writing in general at this point. So many bullshit stories. It seems like writers just cause blind speculation in hopes that they are right so they can say they were the first to report it. We'll see tons of it in the Winter Meetings.
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Wow. I heard the name, but I was reading this thread, I saw some Ron Santo love, and I have this preminition that he won't last that much longer, sadly. Love the guy.



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It's SO sad Ron Santo died without making the Hall of Fame. Sure, they could vote him in now, but what good does it do, if he couldn't have the experience of standing up at the podium and "living" the experience of being inducted? He went through the heartache of not making it so many times, that it's really sad. If they vote him in now, it means that he's always been worthy, because, he hasn't had more hits or RBI's the last couple decades, so why would he be worthy now, but not before?

Shame on the HOF writers and Veteran's Committee.

What will be even better is all those writers and members of the veterans committee will say "I don't know why he wasn't in before!"

Because of you assholes.
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What will be even better is all those writers and members of the veterans committee will say "I don't know why he wasn't in before!"

Because of you assholes.
I'd hate to see this happen to Pete Rose too...uknow, die without making the Hall of Fame, but being worthy of making it.

However, I cared more about Ron Santo than Rose, just because he went through so much, was a great person, loyal to his Cubbies, and no one could say a bad thing about him.
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I'd hate to see this happen to Pete Rose too...uknow, die without making the Hall of Fame, but being worthy of making it.

However, I cared more about Ron Santo than Rose, just because he went through so much, was a great person, loyal to his Cubbies, and no one could say a bad thing about him.

My aunt can. Its really, really dumb. She wrote him a letter because my brother has a disease, and she wanted some inspirational words for my brother, and she never got a response. She was a die hard Santo fan until that point.

Whats dumb about it is that every time my brother and I have run into Santo, he was friendly, always said hi. The guy recognized us for a while.

That kindness was so much more important than not getting a letter back.

Anyway, Pete Rose deserves to be in, I'm all for the no ceremony thing, but he deserves the recognition.
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My aunt can. Its really, really dumb. She wrote him a letter because my brother has a disease, and she wanted some inspirational words for my brother, and she never got a response. She was a die hard Santo fan until that point.

Whats dumb about it is that every time my brother and I have run into Santo, he was friendly, always said hi. The guy recognized us for a while.

That kindness was so much more important than not getting a letter back.

Anyway, Pete Rose deserves to be in, I'm all for the no ceremony thing, but he deserves the recognition.
He probably never even got the letter.
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I guess the thing that just irks me about the Jeter drama is the writers trying to make non-stories out of it. Who cares if they are $50 million and three years apart? Jeter is one of the few players in baseball that I doubt would have accepted an offer from any other team. Another team could have offered him an exact duplicate of A-Rod's contract and he would probably still turn it down.

I guess that's the problem with baseball writing in general at this point. So many bullshit stories. It seems like writers just cause blind speculation in hopes that they are right so they can say they were the first to report it. We'll see tons of it in the Winter Meetings.
I can only speak from what I've seen, but I've heard nothing but support for Derek Jeter. Note: I'm from Boston.
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Sounds like the Red Sox are giving up Casey Kelly, Anthony Rizzo, and Reymond Fuentes
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Deal is done...

Multiple sources are reporting on Saturday morning that the San Diego Padres and Boston Red Sox have agreed on a trade that will finally send first baseman Adrian Gonzalez(notes) to Fenway Park for a package of minor leaguers. Dan Hayes of the North County Times reports the crop will include three of Boston's top six prospects — pitcher Casey Kelly, first baseman Anthony Rizzo and outfielder Reymond Fuentes.

Gonzalez is currently in Boston, where he'll undergo a physical and then attempt to negotiate a contract extension with the Red Sox that would begin in 2012.

The ramifications of this deal are pretty clear. The Red Sox will get the Mark Teixeira(notes)-type MVP contender that they have long coveted for their lineup. They'll sacrifice a few top prospects, but it's a fair price in their eyes (and mine, too) to acquire a franchise cornerstone and play keeping-up-with-the-Joneses against the New York Yankees. It's scary to think how A-Gone will perform now that he'll be playing half of his games with that short right field at Fenway Park instead of in the spacious pastures of Petco Park. (Gonzalez hit 11 home runs in San Diego in 2010, compared to 20 on the road.)

Meanwhile, the swap is a loud indication that the Padres won't get nostalgic about their unexpected success in 2010 and will stick to their plan of stockpiling and cultivating young and cheap talent. In addition to this Gonzalez trade, Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports is reporting that the Padres will "absolutely" trade closer Heath Bell(notes) at some point this offseason.

This undoubtedly won't go over well with Padres fans, but you can't blame the team's front office here. San Diego didn't score many runs or attract many fans with the presence of Gonzalez, a friendly hometown guy playing for the team he grew up supporting. Why lock him into a deal expected to approach Teixeira's $180 million that would hamstring the franchise while adding other players for the next eight-nine years?

It's the business of baseball and the Padres are already proving themselves adept at realizing the differences between big and small markets. They didn't get sentimental with Jake Peavy(notes) in 2009 and sent him to the Chicago White Sox for a package of prospects. Just over one year later, Peavy is a gigantic injury question mark that will cost the White Sox $33 million over the next two years while the Padres still have one of the best young pitching rotations in the league. Time will tell if the Padres GM Jed Hoyer picked the right prospects from the Red Sox (the team he used to work for), but he has made the right move in remaining flexible while building his team of the future.

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Mets’ K-Rod pleads guilty to attempted assault

NEW YORK (AP)—Mets closer Francisco Rodriguez pleaded guilty Friday to attempted assault to settle charges he attacked his girlfriend’s father at Citi Field last season in a deal that spares him jail time but sends him to additional anger management classes.

The 28-year-old reliever had been charged with assault after he was accused of grabbing Carlos Pena, hauling him into a tunnel near the family lounge beneath the team’s ballpark and punching him in the face after an Aug. 11 game

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If the RSox are wanting so badly to move Papelbon out of the closer role, I wonder if they'd also go after Heath Bell of the Padres.
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Man I am thrilled the Red Sox landed Gonzalez, and they didn't even have to give up Jose Iglesias. I think the transition to the AL won't be too difficult for him since he's moving from Petco to Fenway and he's been a model of consistency in the past few years.
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ANTHONY RIZZO

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Really? - He batted a combined 260 last year (297 the year before) did hit 25 HRs though... (100 rbi)

He's 20 years old.
Do you think he's ML ready?
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Noh probably not. Well I only saw him in like 4 games over the last 2 seasons. Hit in the number 3 spot. I think he plays 2B as well or I could be confusing him with somebody with a similar name on the team. He does have good power though.
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Really? - He batted a combined 260 last year (297 the year before) did hit 25 HRs though... (100 rbi)

He's 20 years old.
Do you think he's ML ready?
He's probably not ML ready, but any 20 year old that hits 25 HR's and drives in 100 in the Minors, has something special. Like most hitters, he needs to pick that Batting Average up, and that'll come as he gets more selective and patient at the plate.
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NEW YORK (AP)—Mets closer Francisco Rodriguez pleaded guilty Friday to attempted assault to settle charges he attacked his girlfriend’s father at Citi Field last season in a deal that spares him jail time but sends him to additional anger management classes.

The 28-year-old reliever had been charged with assault after he was accused of grabbing Carlos Pena, hauling him into a tunnel near the family lounge beneath the team’s ballpark and punching him in the face after an Aug. 11 game

[...] http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...driguezassault
Shame the guy had to fuck up royally. He actually was pitching extremely well last year. I can live with him closing for one more season, but I hope his 2012 option doesn't vest. Omar inexplicably gave him a $17.5 million option that automatically kicks in if he finishes 55 games next year.

I figure the Mets will be hovering around .500 again next year so that would mean K-Rod finishes off about 2/3rds of wins, including blowouts. Jerry used to pitch K-Rod at least once every few days even if he wasn't really needed because otherwise he'd lose effectiveness. Collins is gonna have some trouble figuring that one out.

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All about prospects.
Yea but I'm fine with the Red Sox finally dealing some. They've had so many prospects in the past few years.
Not all of them are going to turn into Bucholz, Lester or Pedroia. So I'm glad did this deal. I'm not for emptying the farm, but they got a ton and I think some of a prospect's value is all in potential.
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NOW I'm in favor of signing Crawford. I just wanted a big bat
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Yea but I'm fine with the Red Sox finally dealing some. They've had so many prospects in the past few years.
Not all of them are going to turn into Bucholz, Lester or Pedroia. So I'm glad did this deal. I'm not for emptying the farm, but they got a ton and I think some of a prospect's value is all in potential.
If the Red Sox are planning to contend again right away (I think they are) This move makes perfect sense.
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